Mistakes in the manga, anime, Daizenshuu?

[Godo]

In one entry, the Daizenshuu says that Gohan was a SSJ2 at the tournament only.
In another entry, the Daizenshuu says that Gohan was a SSJ2 whilst he fought Dabra.
So it contradicts itself, and one of those entries is surely false.
I don't want this to go into another Gohan vs. Dabra SSJ1 or SSJ2 thread, so I'll keep quiet about my opinion here.
But my example above shows one of the mistakes.

[Kiyza]

At the very least, the fact that Daizenshuu 4 says that Tenshinhan is of alien descent could be considered debatable. There's nothing to really hint at it other than his third eye. The Super Exciting Guide: Character Volume also seems to contradict the idea of him being an alien. I'm gonna quote Herms's guide for the book on this one:

The only thing worth mentioning is that Tenshinhan is listed as simply an Earthling, with no mention of his 3-Eyed Race ancestry.

So should we take it as fact if a later guide book seems to contradict it?

[Herms]

At the very least, the fact that Daizenshuu 4 says that Tenshinhan is of alien descent could be considered debatable. There's nothing to really hint at it other than his third eye.

That and his ability to grow extra arms and split into multiple people, which is the main thing Daizenshuu 4 uses his alien ancestry to explain.

The only thing worth mentioning is that Tenshinhan is listed as simply an Earthling, with no mention of his 3-Eyed Race ancestry.

So should we take it as fact if a later guide book seems to contradict it?

I wouldn't really say that's a contradiction, since even Daizenshuu 4 lists him as an Earthling. And the 3-Eyed Race thing has been mentioned in some more recent stuff too, like the Dragon Box Dragon Books and the Sparking! series.

[Nazi Cola]

This is certainly interesting.

[Dayspring]

At the very least, the fact that Daizenshuu 4 says that Tenshinhan is of alien descent could be considered debatable. There's nothing to really hint at it other than his third eye. The Super Exciting Guide: Character Volume also seems to contradict the idea of him being an alien. I'm gonna quote Herms's guide for the book on this one:

The only thing worth mentioning is that Tenshinhan is listed as simply an Earthling, with no mention of his 3-Eyed Race ancestry.

So should we take it as fact if a later guide book seems to contradict it?

Saying he's of alien descent doesn't mean he himself is an alien, though. It just means that, of the 4 types of Earthlings, he's part of the Earthling-Hybrid class. Which makes sense, since he's clearly neither Earthling-Human nor Earthling-Animal. Would you rather he be part of the Earthling-Monster class (ie: like Pilaf)? This statement just clarifies which class of Earthling he's part of, while preserving his being a pun on Sharaku. Note that Earthling-Hybrids represent 1% (or 2%?) of the world's population. There are many more besides the partly Saiyan kids.

[EnmaDaiou]

I'd prefer not to consider he is an alien...

There's a lot of weird things in DB..

Lunch, for example...

[Bussani]

I don't know why the alien ancestry thing is a big deal. He's still an Earthling, and he probably doesn't even have a lot of this alien blood in him. Would it be more acceptable to people if the 3-Eyed Race were native to Earth? I'm not sure what difference it makes where they were from.

[Olivier Hague]

At the very least, the fact that Daizenshuu 4 says that Tenshinhan is of alien descent could be considered debatable. There's nothing to really hint at it other than his third eye.

And there's absolutely nothing hinting at Kaiôshin being born from golden fruits, in the series.
Sometimes, guides provide extra information. 'Not sure where the problem lies, really.

[Gaffer Tape]

Sigh, all this talk makes me remember how annoyed I am at the Kanzenban for "fixing" a lot of the mistakes.

[EnmaDaiou]

I don't know why the alien ancestry thing is a big deal. He's still an Earthling, and he probably doesn't even have a lot of this alien blood in him. Would it be more acceptable to people if the 3-Eyed Race were native to Earth? I'm not sure what difference it makes where they were from.

There's nothing really wrong with this idea.
And I don't think a 3 eyed race would be better or worse...

I just don't like it.

Looks me similar to the AF's fics/theories ideas we can see in the internet..

And I think one of the good poins of DB is the things with no explanation.
So, anyone can create your own interpretation to explain things.

If they explain every detail we have no more place to use our imagination.

[Gaffer Tape]

There are a lot of reasons I don't like it. First off, it sorta disarms the idea that Earth is some backwoods planet that's totally off the radar of important intergalactic travelers if these 3-eyed people came here and started breeding long, long ago.

Then of course, as has been said, it does detract from the fantasy roots of Dragon Ball in favor of more sci-fi. Sure Earth is backwoods, but even the more advanced aliens seem amazed at some of the mystical items Earth has, like senzu. I'm reminded of director Nicholas Meyer when told he couldn't kill off Spock in Star Trek II. He said, "Sure you can. It just depends on how you do it." Retcons and big shifts are totally fine if done well. People accept Goku's retcon because of how it leads to impressive new storylines and concepts that wouldn't have been possible otherwise. But Tenshinhan's retcon provides absolutely nothing. It's just some random, throwaway tidbit that's totally wasted and makes you wonder why it's there in the first place.

[Bussani]

Then of course, as has been said, it does detract from the fantasy roots of Dragon Ball in favor of more sci-fi.

I don't see how. Piccolo was a Namekian, but that doesn't suddenly mean Daimao wasn't a Mazoku; Babidi was from another planet, but that doesn't mean he wasn't a wizard. "Alien" doesn't automatically mean "sci-fi" in Dragon Ball, and why should it? There's no law saying only Earth is allowed to have mystical stuff.

[Chibi Mystic Gohan]

Sigh, all this talk makes me remember how annoyed I am at the Kanzenban for "fixing" a lot of the mistakes.

Such as?

[SSj_Rambo]

On page 270 of Daizenshuu 7 (part of the Merchandise Guide) the Shenron no Nazo JCS video game guidebook is listed as having retailed for 690 yen, when really it retailed for 360 yen.

[Dayspring]

There are a lot of reasons I don't like it. First off, it sorta disarms the idea that Earth is some backwoods planet that's totally off the radar of important intergalactic travelers if these 3-eyed people came here and started breeding long, long ago.

Then of course, as has been said, it does detract from the fantasy roots of Dragon Ball in favor of more sci-fi. Sure Earth is backwoods, but even the more advanced aliens seem amazed at some of the mystical items Earth has, like senzu. I'm reminded of director Nicholas Meyer when told he couldn't kill off Spock in Star Trek II. He said, "Sure you can. It just depends on how you do it." Retcons and big shifts are totally fine if done well. People accept Goku's retcon because of how it leads to impressive new storylines and concepts that wouldn't have been possible otherwise. But Tenshinhan's retcon provides absolutely nothing. It's just some random, throwaway tidbit that's totally wasted and makes you wonder why it's there in the first place.

Earth is still off the radar in regards to important intergalactic traverlers. All aliens (besides Goku, Vegeta and The Son of Kattats) who emmigrated to Earth seem to be unimportant interplanetary travellers, not intergalactic ones with big physical or political strength. In other words, they're all the aliens and descendants of aliens seen in Dr Slump (and probably Pola + Roid and Neko Majin), as Dr Slump is shown to be on the same Earth as DB. Note that 1% of the population is in the hybrid category.

To put things in another perspective, if you lived in Irak and wanted to conquer the world, focusing primarily on the countries around you, would you start your world invasion with a small part of Hawaii's island chain? In this analogy, the Northern Galaxy is North America, Freeza is Irak, the Saiyans are Iran and Earth is Honolulu. So Earth is known to be there, but nobody gives a damn except for the rest of "Hawaii," let alone the rest of the Northern Galaxy and especially not the Universe's power players like Freeza.

As for dropping mysticism for sci-fi, it's actually dropping it for gag-manga. Sharaku is a descendent of the mystical alien race known as the 3-Eyed Clan. This is a very specific, fictional alien race. It would be like saying Suppaman is Kryptonian; it shows us exactly what Tenshinhan is a parody of (which is Sharaku). So instead of Tenshinhan being an Earthling-Monster (which would have to be the case since he's obviously a Triclops and not a Human), he's an Earthling-Hybrid. IIRC, Sharaku was 1000 generations after the 3-Eyed Clan were assimilated into the Human race (and no, no hybrids having kids with other hybrids was done along the way; each generation married 100% humans). That means Tenshinhan is (1/2)^1000th alien. After 7 generations, he'd be 99.22% human. Tack on 993 generations to that.

[Senzu_Bean]

At the very least, the fact that Daizenshuu 4 says that Tenshinhan is of alien descent could be considered debatable. There's nothing to really hint at it other than his third eye.

It isn't debatable! A guide is suppose to give supplementary information that is absent on the original work. Just because it isn't on the original work doesn't mean the guide is wrong, otherwise there won't be any point at all in the guide.

[Kiyza]

Relax. It just seemed kind of strange to me, that's all. And Herm's little bit about it not specifically stating his race in the SEG kinda confused me. I mean, I understand the Daizenshuu are pretty much holy and all, but there are times when I leaf the translations and cock my head to the side and say "What?" That was just one of those moments.

[Wobbuffet]

Majin Buu had ripped his shirt after catching Vegetto, but he didn't reappear from that shirt after he was destroyed, even though his clothes can regenerate.
Does that count as a mistake?

[Senzu_Bean]

Buu can regenerate his clothes, not his clothes can regenerate.

[Dayspring]

Buu can regenerate his clothes, not his clothes can regenerate.

12 of one, dozen of another.

@Wobuffet: Boo just chose not to regenerate them.