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[Lucas Abner]

He spent the SSJ to SSJ2




everything points to a SSJ against Broly.

[hleV]

Gohan was Super Saiyan 2 before losing consciousness, however he was Super Saiyan during the Family Kamehameha. He was beat pretty hard, so it makes sense that he could no longer go Super Saiyan 2.

Forehead strands are the only indicator (and a pretty obvious one) in movie #10 telling in which form Gohan was.

[Lucas Abner]

where is the proof? Help me

[Lucas Abner]

Has no evidence?

[hleV]

If the obvious I wrote above is not obvious to you, then you, my friend, have some sort of problem. Daizenshuu also states that Gohan used Super Saiyan 2 against Broli in movie #10, however, it doesn't state if he was Super Saiyan 2 all the time.

[Herms]

Daizenshuu also states that Gohan used Super Saiyan 2 against Broli in movie #10

I don't think it ever actually states that.

[hleV]

Huh? Maybe I'm confusing Broli with Dabra then.

[p123]

Does Gohan need rage to turn SSJ2 against Bojack? Or he just turns it up? Or do they make a whole big deal about that?

I don't know . TOEI is just hard to judge at times, thank god I don't take these movies seriously or I would have a major headache. I tend to just enjoy the characters, and not really worry about how strong TOEI intended them to be.

[Ussj Future Trunks]

Gohan could turn from SSJ to SSJ2 almost instantly when SPC arrived. It didn't look like he needed to get pissed off to achieve the form again. The three times where he does it again are not different. He could always basically turn SSJ2 with difficulty but didnt need to get pissed off. He was hardly pissed off against Kibito after all and he could do it at the drop of a hat even though he hadn't done so in 7 years.

[Kaboom]

He didn't transform "at the drop of a hat" against Kibito. I've pointed this out before. He stood there powering up for so long that even the audience was getting impatient and annoyed. The best explanation is that he was so unpracticed with the form after seven years, that it was now even more difficult for him to make the transformation than when it was brand-new.

It would be easy to re-transform against Cell because he was still "warmed up," so to speak, having only just descended from the form a few minutes ago. Even in Movie 9, the form would be new and relatively easily accessible, even if still unpracticed and not necessarily well-controlled. And even then it took a combination of coaxing, mindset, and effort to do it.

[Nazi Cola]

He did it instantly against SPC, and he didn't seem to need rage in Movie 9. He just turned it up and stopped loafing around because Goku told him to stop being a spoiled baby.

[dbgtFO]

He did it instantly against SPC, and he didn't seem to need rage in Movie 9. He just turned it up and stopped loafing around because Goku told him to stop being a spoiled baby.

Well, as long, as this isn't compared to his fight with Dabra I'm happy.
I agree with Kaboom his pointwhich I always use, when someone says he logically should have been SSJ 2 against Dabra. is basically the only thing you need to realize, that Gohan had trouble going SSJ 2 after all those years without training it.
Him having no trouble doing it against SPC is the same, as when Goku goes back to SSJ to fight Freeza again, yet Goku claims, he had to spend a lot of time to transform into one, whenever he wanted.

So because he was "warmed up" it was much easier to do, instead of when you just do it, when you aren't fighting anyone or hasn't been enraged beyond one's limits.

[jackjack]

He stood there powering up for so long that even the audience was getting impatient and annoyed.

It should be obvious that he was still deciding whether he should transform at that moment, so I'm not sure why would anyone think he was powering up to Super Saiyan 2 there?

Gohan had trouble going SSJ 2 after all those years without training it.

If anything, he has shown the ability to access that form with no trouble at the tournament.

[dbgtFO]

He stood there powering up for so long that even the audience was getting impatient and annoyed.

It should be obvious that he was still deciding whether he should transform at that moment, so I'm not sure why would anyone think he was powering up to Super Saiyan 2 there?

Gohan had trouble going SSJ 2 after all those years without training it.

If anything, he has shown the ability to access that form with no trouble at the tournament.

Okay, if you add "instantly", after I wrote SSJ 2 in that quote, then it makes more sense.
That was the intended meaning anyway, I just wasn't clear enough.

[jackjack]

He did it pretty much instantly though.

[dbgtFO]

He did it pretty much instantly though.

What I get out of the pages is this:

1. The audience yells at Gohan BEFORE he even starts to power up(I agree with you there)

2. At the end of the chapter a single panel is dedicated to Gohan standing around with an aura around him and his eyes are no longer black.

3. Some time passes, Chi Chi tells the audience to shut up, Goku and Kaioshin talk.

4. Gohan, then says to Kibito: "That instead of going Super Saiyan, why not go even beyond that?" Kibito then replies and Gohan goes SSJ 2.

From this I have always concluded, that Gohan wanted to go SSJ 2 from the start, but had to really concentrate to attain the form once again, after all this time, so a little time passes, compared to what he showed us, when he did it to defeat those robbers back in volume 36.

I don't know how you got instantly out of that honestly, unless you are solely referring to, after he says he will go beyond SSJ.

[jackjack]

I don't know how you got instantly out of that honestly, unless you are solely referring to, after he says he will go beyond SSJ.

Of course, that's when he finally makes up his mind, and we see him as a SSJ2 on the next page. It's as simple as that if you ask me. Why would I assume he's trying to transform the entire time he's standing there when he still hasn't made up his mind to transform?

[Savage68]

It wasn't "hard" or "difficult" for Gohan to transform at the Budokai. Like, at all. He and Kibito were standing around, shootin' the breeze while the (half-drunk, I'm sure) audience members were left to wonder where the action had gone to. He has free will over his transformations, as expected of someone who's idea it was to transform in the first place.

[dbgtFO]

I understand both of you, so as I change my viewpoint, then I will also have to accept, Gohan is an idiot, considering he didn't do it against an opponent, who he could have beaten easily in that form, instead of continously contributing energy to a demon, they were told to stop.

[Savage68]

Gohan usually is an idiot, and he was never purposefully contributing energy to a demon. So, yea.