Moments FUNimation's English Dub Did Better?

[Great Saiyaman I]

Lord Exor is a pretty cool guy, my opinions just clash with his a lot.

I thought the part where Freeza, with a smile on his face, explains how angry he is with a smile on his face to Kuririn, Gohan, and Vegeta, is lot better in the Kai. I think the line goes something like this:
Freeza (smiling):"You know, I have never been so angry in my life before this moment. In fact I'm quite mad."
Brrrrr!

[Lord Exor]

I'm not a troll.

That's right. You're not a troll the same way I'm a pirate-ninja-ghost-detective. In any case, if you're not a troll then you're the most blatant anti-intellectual I've seen in awhile, despite your pounding desperately at the keyboard in an impotent attempt at seeming coherent.

Woah, what?

He's been pretty coherent. And he made a point we just don't see often enough around here, which is that neither the Japanese nor American scripts are the pinnacle of intelligent writing. D-do you even understand what "anti-intellectual" means? Are you aware that "a while" is two words?

At any rate, on the Freeza line in question, I can see what they were going for. I mean, there probably wasn't much thought behind it other than creating a stereotypical cackling villain, which is what they seemed to do with Freeza back then, but it works. Telling a child his father cried and then rubbing it in school-yard style is some pretty fucked up shit. My only problem is that it misses the Japanese subtext of Freeza returning to form. Freeza's Japanese dialogue is less overtly sadistic because he's regaining his composure, and returning to his understated mannerisms. The English line is harsher, by far, and I don't consider it juvenile in a way that wouldn't be intentional. It's just not what Freeza's motivation is there.

Also, nitpick, nitpick, nitpick.

Thank you Cipher, for your defense, and for not feeling indignant over the fact that I prefer the FUNimation dub.

[Deimos]

I have to agree with Cipher. What is exactly making him a troll? He is completely on-topic in the threads he is posting in. Just because he is expressing an opinion that is a little rare around here doesn't make him a troll.

I can't say I completely agree with him. I prefer Chris Ayres' interpretation, but Young definitely portrays the "sadistic" side of Freeza quite well. It is just the "polite gentleman" side of Freeza that is missing.

[XanatosVanBadass]

So he's a troll because he likes the dub and uses a few long words that aren't in our lexica....?

1) Check his sig. 2) From what I've observed, he didn't begin with the whole extensive vocabulary schtick until he was called out on saying every single aspect of the dub is better than the Japanese version. 3) To be honest, I do genuinely question the sincerity of someone who thinks Linda Young is unironically better than Aryes (to say nothing of claiming that the FUNI dub is superlative in all areas above the Japanese version).

[Nippolyte]

So let me get this straight - Everyone jumps to defend Lord Exor when he's called a troll, and yet on the third page of this topic when Castor Troy says I was "trolling", which was just as ridiculous, if not even more so, no one even says anything? Really?

[Chibi Mystic Gohan]

One half-serious comment from Castor vs. a bunch of people seriously accusing Lord Exor of being a troll. Poor you.

[Nippolyte]

One half-serious comment from Castor vs. a bunch of people seriously accusing Lord Exor of being a troll. Poor you.

Actually, only XanatosVanBadass is accusing Lord Exor of being a troll, so I think you just pulled that out of your ass. Although I guess you're right about Castor's comment not being that big of a deal, especially since it's all the way back on page three. I'll drop it.

[XanatosVanBadass]

Actually, only XanatosVanBadass is accusing Lord Exor of being a troll,

Not to further derail the thread, but you really look through other threads. I'm hardly the first to call out Lord Exor on possibly being a troll. Hell, I'm not even the first person to bring up my specific reasons that he could be trolling.

EDIT: I thought of something else that I (kinda) like a bit better. I'm not a HUGE fan of either voice, but I think Yajirobe's english voice is a TAD more fitting than his Japanese one. I'm still not sure though.

[Nippolyte]

Actually, only XanatosVanBadass is accusing Lord Exor of being a troll,

Not to further derail the thread, but you really look through other threads. I'm hardly the first to call out Lord Exor on possibly being a troll. Hell, I'm not even the first person to bring up my specific reasons that he could be trolling.

Ok then, my fault. I really haven't looked through other threads. Just ignore my previous post(s), XanatosVanBadass and Chibi Mystic Gohan

[linkdude20002001]

I thought of something else that I (kinda) like a bit better. I'm not a HUGE fan of either voice, but I think Yajirobe's english voice is a TAD more fitting than his Japanese one. I'm still not sure though.

I hate it. He sounds like that obese, perverted, chronic masturbating guy that can't get into college on Shin-chan. >_<

I think maybe Sonny Straight should've played Yajirove. He'd just need to make him sound like a funny sounding hick version of Kulilin (like in the Japanese version). After all, that's the whole point. Kulilin's dead, and Gokuh meets a stranger that sounds kinda like Kulilin.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

1) Check his sig.

He doesn't like Kikuchi's music. So?

2) From what I've observed, he didn't begin with the whole extensive vocabulary schtick until he was called out on saying every single aspect of the dub is better than the Japanese version.

http://daizex.fanboyreview.net/viewtopi ... 12&t=14132


That's how he's always posted.

3) To be honest, I do genuinely question the sincerity of someone who thinks Linda Young is unironically better than Aryes.

Actually, a lot of people think that Linda Young was the better Freeza.

(to say nothing of claiming that the FUNI dub is superlative in all areas above the Japanese version).

Again, not an uncommon thing.

[Nippolyte]

I thought of something else that I (kinda) like a bit better. I'm not a HUGE fan of either voice, but I think Yajirobe's english voice is a TAD more fitting than his Japanese one. I'm still not sure though.

I hate it. He sounds like that obese, perverted, chronic masturbating guy that can't get into college on Shin-chan. >_<

Although I wouldn't say he sounds like that, I would say that he sounds like a good for nothing bum who can never get a girlfriend and sits on his rear end all day munching on pizza and hot dogs He may be a bum, but ya gotta give him credit for having enough courage to cut off Vegeta's tail.

[Cipher]

So let me get this straight - Everyone jumps to defend Lord Exor when he's called a troll, and yet on the third page of this topic when Castor Troy says I was "trolling", which was just as ridiculous, if not even more so, no one even says anything? Really?

I think the problem was more so that XanatosVanBadass was being ridiculously over-the-top about it and still doesn't know what "anti-intellectual" means. It's the kind of irony that's just impossible to not call out.

Anyway, I can see someone preferring Young as Freeza. I don't see many defending the old script, but the voice? Sure. They grew up with her as Freeza. They don't know about Nakao or the original intent or any of that. It's just a matter of this voice vs that voice, and one feels closer to what they know of the character than the other. There's the matter of pure acting, but we're talking about a children's cartoon either way. People aren't inclined to notice, and in general you'll find most people don't have an affinity for being able to point out the superior talent to begin with. It seems baffling if you're familiar with any given field, but by and large people just aren't capable of pinpointing the better director, the better actor, the better artist, etc. I'm not inclined to say Young is a significantly worse actor either; she's just less suited to the role in my mind, and uncapable of bringing her all when using that voice.

There are dozens of reasons why I could see someone preferring Young, although I disagree.

[Lord Exor]

I have heard Nakao and the original Japanese cast. Quite frankly, I'm incapable of discerning the disparity in talent due to the language barrier and the simple fact that their intonations and vocal mannerisms aren't analogous.

As far as Ayres is concerned, while I have no qualms with his voice, I do prefer Young's original performance and ability to channel a certain snide tone--not to mention I do sincerely enjoy the dub script. I take what I like and eschew what I do not, so is the case with authorial intent vs. adaptation.

I also realize that fitting certain lines to the mouth "flapping" can result in rushed and unnatural dialogue, especially if the direction isn't very sound. Certain actors in the original dub managed to avoid that pitfall entirely, such as Kent Williams with all of his dialogue as Dr. Gero. I commend them for that, for it certainly isn't a facile task. David Kaye, a remarkable voice talent, output relatively poor performances when tasked with dubbing the so-called "Unicron Trilogy" of Transformers. This proves that a synthesis of substandard directing and the process of fitting coherent English sentences to the Japanese "mouth flapping" can significantly impede performance.

[obiwan23s]

How can you folks not deduce troll from this fellow whilst he pilfers the thesaurus in his support of the infantile, sophomoric script and treatment of the original FUNimation dub?

See, I can do it too. And I suspect so can anyone else who completed high school.

[Lord Exor]

Over the internet there is no way to prove that my vocabulary is genuine, and I see that presenting said vocabulary is beheld as an affront. Perhaps I should construct my posts with simpler language from now on, so as to not raise suspicions...

[Great Saiyaman I]

Over the internet there is no way to prove that my vocabulary is genuine, and I see that presenting said vocabulary is beheld as an affront. Perhaps I should construct my posts with simpler language from now on, so as to not raise suspicions...

Don't change the way you post just because someone else doesn't like it. You shouldn't care, just ignore 'em.

[penguintruth]

An opposing view is one thing, but Lord Exor comes off as trying way too hard to bolster his opinion with his vocabulary, rather than his arguments. You come off as intelligent by making a point, not by hitting the Thesaurus. There's articulation and then there's being disingenuous.

[mister yummy]

While I prefer the Kai dub's voice actor for Freeza to Linda Chambers, I think he(is it really a he?!) sounds like Captain Janeway from Star Trek Voyager.

The first dub Freeza wasn't that bad either, but I never can remember her name.

OK, back on topic: The dub is better when Goku is trying to get Vegita to fuse with him. He makes an epic speech that reeks of awesomeness.

That's the only one I can think of off the top of my head...

[Kid Buu]

Over the internet there is no way to prove that my vocabulary is genuine, and I see that presenting said vocabulary is beheld as an affront. Perhaps I should construct my posts with simpler language from now on, so as to not raise suspicions...

Don't change the way you post just because someone else doesn't like it. You shouldn't care, just ignore 'em.

Yeah, I don't mind Lord Exor either. As long as he is here to discuss dragonball, I'm content with his posts.