Cosmos Structure?

Post by **desirecampbell** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 1:08 pm

I was just wondering if anyone had any Daizenshuu explaining the structure of the cosmos (the mortal univers, the afterlife, etc..). I've had a terrible time trying to figure it out, I just keep getting conflicting info.

From what I've gathered it should be something like this...

...but I'm stilll not sure.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 1:49 pm

I don't think I've seen that image, but it does look like the one I've seen. I'll see if I can find it somewhere...

DBW · Post by **DBW** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 2:36 pm

I don't remember the sun being inside the Heavens, but I could be wrong (too lazy to find the original picture). Everything else seems to be right, though.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 5:37 pm

DBW wrote:I don't remember the sun being inside the Heavens, but I could be wrong (too lazy to find the original picture). Everything else seems to be right, though.

I think that's the after-life's sun. Not the one for the rest of us. And, IIRC, there's other things wrong as well. Supreme Kai's world should be inside with the rest, and I believe the 4 Galaxies are around Otherworld... still looking for the image.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 6:42 pm

"Maikai," the realm of demons where Dabra is from, is missing from the diagram. It's situated underneath the mortal universe.

Also, technically the Gand Kaio's and non-North Kaio's planets are unknown, though its easy to figure out that you probably labelled them correctly (info on Enma's says that it's equally spaced between the four Kaios and the Grand Kaio has his own planet).

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 6:58 pm

There's a picture just like that in one of the Daizenshuus. If I can find it, Ill scan it.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 8:43 pm

Sun_Wukong wrote:There's a picture just like that in one of the Daizenshuus. If I can find it, Ill scan it.

It's in Daizenshuu 7. I'd scan it, but it's too small in mine, and I can't work my scanner.

DBW · Post by **DBW** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 9:43 pm

Dayspring wrote:
Sun_Wukong wrote:There's a picture just like that in one of the Daizenshuus. If I can find it, Ill scan it.
It's in Daizenshuu 7. I'd scan it, but it's too small in mine, and I can't work my scanner.

I think it was also in one of the new manga or anime guides (don't remember which one, and I can't check 'cause I'm not at home right now...).

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 9:48 pm

DBW wrote:
Dayspring wrote:
Sun_Wukong wrote:There's a picture just like that in one of the Daizenshuus. If I can find it, Ill scan it.
It's in Daizenshuu 7. I'd scan it, but it's too small in mine, and I can't work my scanner.
I think it was also in one of the new manga or anime guides (don't remember which one, and I can't check 'cause I'm not at home right now...).

I remember seeing a pic of this not too long ago that was in excellent quality. Maybe the new guides or Kanzentai's version was bigger, as the Daizenshuu 7 version is so small that they have to use an arrow system to point at the sections.

Chaos Saiyajin · Post by **Chaos Saiyajin** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 11:06 pm

Is that Earth above Heaven? I've also alway wondered if snake way splits into different directions that lead to the other Kaio's planets. The after life having it's own sun?

That's kind weird...

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:57 am

Hey everybody, I'll try to reply separately and clear up some confusion.

Xyex wrote:I don't think I've seen that image, but it does look like the one I've seen. I'll see if I can find it somewhere...

Yeah, it took me a week to make that image (including research) I based it off of a daizenshuu scan i saw on dbgtn.com (see here) and what looks like a doodle (see here).

Dayspring wrote:"Maikai," the realm of demons where Dabra is from, is missing from the diagram. It's situated underneath the mortal universe.

Also, technically the Gand Kaio's and non-North Kaio's planets are unknown, though its easy to figure out that you probably labelled them correctly (info on Enma's says that it's equally spaced between the four Kaios and the Grand Kaio has his own planet).

Awesome, I'll add Maikai

thanks man.
But what's this about King Kai and Grand Kai's planets being 'unknown'?

Chaos Saiyajin wrote:Is that Earth above Heaven? I've also alway wondered if snake way splits into different directions that lead to the other Kaio's planets. The after life having it's own sun? That's kind weird...

My image is almost totally traced off of those two images (see above) - and I'm pretty sure nothing is to scale

EDIT:
Oh, a little off topic, but I had to make a new account because my old one won't let me view the page(weird error, I don't what the deal is)

if anyone know what to do about it PM me, thanks.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 6:11 am

Toriyama's doodle's actually better clearer than what's in daizenshuu 7.

The one in dai-7 didn't label South, East, West and Grand Kai's planet, which is why I said only technically did we not know which was which. But as I said, it doesn't take a genious given the info we have.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 6:57 am

I thought I'd scan and upload the diagram of the cosmos that I have in my copy of the DBZ Saiyan Saga Roleplaying Book. The layout is a little similar to the one that DesireCampbell posted.

http://photobucket.com/albums/v176/Jers ... rworld.jpg

Post by **desirecampbell** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:21 pm

Jerseymilk wrote:I thought I'd scan and upload the diagram of the cosmos that I have in my copy of the DBZ Saiyan Saga Roleplaying Book. The layout is a little similar to the one that DesireCampbell posted.

http://photobucket.com/albums/v176/Jers ... rworld.jpg

Ha ha, I have that book, that diagram is terrible.

Dayspring wrote:"Maikai," the realm of demons where Dabra is from, is missing from the diagram. It's situated underneath the mortal universe.

Like this? A closed off portion of the bottom of the, um, bowl?

Or something different?

Entropy · Post by **Entropy** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:50 pm

If it's any help here is the diagram from the Landmark book:

http://homepage.eircom.net/~dragonballZ/Cosmology.jpg

h3ndrix2005 · Post by **h3ndrix2005** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:24 pm

I actually had to tilt my head for that.

Tenka-Ichi · Post by **Tenka-Ichi** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 12:11 am

So did I... and now my neck hurts

Anyway, other than that I think it's a good representation of the DB universe (except they forgot maikai, and to name the other kaious' planets, and possibly some other stuff), so I went ahead and rotated it 90°, just so no one else has to tilt their head and break thier neck to view the picture

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Entropy · Post by **Entropy** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 10:05 am

Tenka-Ichi wrote:So did I... and now my neck hurts

Anyway, other than that I think it's a good representation of the DB universe (except they forgot maikai, and to name the other kaious' planets, and possibly some other stuff), so I went ahead and rotated it 90°, just so no one else has to tilt their head and break thier neck to view the picture .

Woops!, sorry about that.
Thanks for changing it around.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 10:10 am

Tenka-Ichi wrote:So did I... and now my neck hurts

Anyway, other than that I think it's a good representation of the DB universe (except they forgot maikai, and to name the other kaious' planets, and possibly some other stuff).

I disagree. Those are some pretty important things to forget when doing a cosmology, let alone the fact that they drew the planet locations in such a manner that the DB quadrant of the northern galaxy makes up the entire universe.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:04 pm

Dayspring wrote:
Tenka-Ichi wrote:So did I... and now my neck hurts

Anyway, other than that I think it's a good representation of the DB universe (except they forgot maikai, and to name the other kaious' planets, and possibly some other stuff).
I disagree. Those are some pretty important things to forget when doing a cosmology, let alone the fact that they drew the planet locations in such a manner that the DB quadrant of the northern galaxy makes up the entire universe.

True, it's definitly flawed, but every one I've seen so far is. I've never seen one with Maikai in it (by-the-way how'd it look up there?) and at least that one's better than this