What would SSJ5 look like?

[cRookie_Monster]

Another one:


Jeez, sorry about the size =\

[Jackal puFF]

I really don't think they would turn white if they could. I think it would be somewhat more hair but not as crazy and their fur would be gold instead of red.

[Luke Groundwalker]

I always thought white SSJ5 looked retarded to be honest.

I don't even think SSJ4 is appropriate in design. It really should've been something different, like Goku and Vegeta unlocking their inner-Oozaru or some shit.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I don't even think SSJ4 is appropriate in design. It really should've been something different, like Goku and Vegeta unlocking their inner-Oozaru or some shit.

That's what pretty much exactly what SS4 is.

As already posted in the thread:

-- Nakatsuru: The thought behind that hairstyle was to take it in a different direction than Super Saiyan 3, and make it wild. I made the fur red because it pretty much just seemed strong; I place a lot of importance on those sorts of impressions (laughs). Right from the planning stage images, the idea had been to bring together Oozaru Goku and Super Saiyan Goku. "Goku with primal power", that sort of thing.

[Gyt Kaliba]

I always sort of viewed it as another "off of the top of my head" moment from Toriyama.

He had it planned out at least prior to Fusion's introduction, since he says in Daizenshuu 6 that fellow manga artist Masakazu Katsura suggested Fusion to him when he was frustrated at how to make his characters even stronger after Super Saiyan 3. So that's at least at least a few chapters after its debut.

I'd forgotten about that story, a fact that saddens me given how big of a nut for Katsura I am.

And not to go off topic but - do we have any idea just how long the two have known each other? I've speculated maybe they went to high school together because I know Katsura has admitted getting into manga via a contest to win money for a radio, a story I believe I once read for Toriyama too (I have no clue if it's true though).

Back on topic, the picture darkhawk posted is close to my vision of it. Not exact, but pretty darn close.

[Luke Groundwalker]

I don't even think SSJ4 is appropriate in design. It really should've been something different, like Goku and Vegeta unlocking their inner-Oozaru or some shit.

That's what pretty much exactly what SS4 is.

As already posted in the thread:

-- Nakatsuru: The thought behind that hairstyle was to take it in a different direction than Super Saiyan 3, and make it wild. I made the fur red because it pretty much just seemed strong; I place a lot of importance on those sorts of impressions (laughs). Right from the planning stage images, the idea had been to bring together Oozaru Goku and Super Saiyan Goku. "Goku with primal power", that sort of thing.

Umm no. It's design being that =/= what it actually is. In terms of placement, SSJ4 is meant to be the next evolution of SSJ3 and even has an even larger multiplier to emphasize this (plus the fact that you can't go gold in SSJ4 makes it just another form). Imo I don't think the form should be related to SSJ, I think it should be separate kind of like fusion.

The reason I feel this way cause the defining characteristic of a Super Saiyan is the blonde hair transformation. SSJ4 is more of a monster transformation that I don't think should be related to SSJ.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Umm no. It's design being that =/= what it actually is. In terms of placement, SSJ4 is meant to be the next evolution of SSJ3 and even has an even larger multiplier to emphasize this (plus the fact that you can't go gold in SSJ4 makes it just another form). Imo I don't think the form should be related to SSJ, I think it should be separate kind of like fusion.

The reason I feel this way cause the defining characteristic of a Super Saiyan is the blonde hair transformation. SSJ4 is more of a monster transformation that I don't think should be related to SSJ.

Funny, seeing how they don't nessecarily see it as an extension of Super Saiyan 3.

Super Saiyan 4
The form which draws out the battle power which Saiyans posses out to the utmost limits is this, Super Saiyan 4!! It’s distinguished by having a different appearance than previous Super Saiyans, with red body fur and long black hair!! It is called Super Saiyan 4 out of convenience, but due to it being a transformation from Golden Oozaru, it would be no exaggeration to call it a different species from all previous Super Saiyans!! Thinking of it as a different species, you could also name such points as the fact that unlike with 3 he has an adult appearance, despite being a transformation of little Goku.

[Luke Groundwalker]

Umm no. It's design being that =/= what it actually is. In terms of placement, SSJ4 is meant to be the next evolution of SSJ3 and even has an even larger multiplier to emphasize this (plus the fact that you can't go gold in SSJ4 makes it just another form). Imo I don't think the form should be related to SSJ, I think it should be separate kind of like fusion.

The reason I feel this way cause the defining characteristic of a Super Saiyan is the blonde hair transformation. SSJ4 is more of a monster transformation that I don't think should be related to SSJ.

Funny, seeing how they don't nessecarily see it as an extension of Super Saiyan 3.

Super Saiyan 4
The form which draws out the battle power which Saiyans posses out to the utmost limits is this, Super Saiyan 4!! It’s distinguished by having a different appearance than previous Super Saiyans, with red body fur and long black hair!! It is called Super Saiyan 4 out of convenience, but due to it being a transformation from Golden Oozaru, it would be no exaggeration to call it a different species from all previous Super Saiyans!! Thinking of it as a different species, you could also name such points as the fact that unlike with 3 he has an adult appearance, despite being a transformation of little Goku.

But it is. In terms of power level and use, it's complete and utterly a SSJ4 form. Of course the way to obtain it is different and very much in line what I want, but it's still a complete upgrade from SSJ3 which doesn't make much sense in context of the series. The fact that Goku can't go SSJ, SSJ2, and SSJ3 in this form also completely suggests that it's meant to be an upgrade.

Upgrade or not, it still shouldn't be called SSJ4. It doesn't really have any relation to that name at all in the series itself, and in design aesthetic.

[Necrosaber]

To be honest, I never really understood why their hair and stuff when blonde anyway. I've always felt SSJ4 sort of made more sense as to what saiyans were originally feared for.

I thought it was a pretty original idea and a nice change up from yet another "super long haired golden warrior".

[The Time Traveller]

I've always imagined Super Saiyan 5 looking like a Super Saiyan Super Saiyan 4. With Goku's longer hair standing up similar to his Super Saiyan form. Super Saiyan 7 would probably look like a more ape like monster with longer golden hair. Super Saiyan 8 could be like a human Oozaru... Then a golden version of that, and so on until finally Goku turns into the Smoke Monster from Lost, which would be like Super Saiyan 69 or something.

[Gyt Kaliba]

I've always imagined Super Saiyan 5 looking like a Super Saiyan Super Saiyan 4. With Goku's longer hair standing up similar to his Super Saiyan form. Super Saiyan 7 would probably look like a more ape like monster with longer golden hair. Super Saiyan 8 could be like a human Oozaru... Then a golden version of that, and so on until finally Goku turns into the Smoke Monster from Lost, which would be like Super Saiyan 69 or something.

And then, if he sees the full moon in that form, he can turn into the thingie from Cloverfield.

To be honest, I never really understood why their hair and stuff when blonde anyway. I've always felt SSJ4 sort of made more sense as to what saiyans were originally feared for.

I agree, though I also think that's why (other than the less inking thing) the original blonde Super Saiyan idea works too. It's just so completely different from what everyone expected that it throws them for a loop - especially Freeza.

[Herms]

But it is. In terms of power level and use, it's complete and utterly a SSJ4 form. Of course the way to obtain it is different and very much in line what I want, but it's still a complete upgrade from SSJ3 which doesn't make much sense in context of the series. The fact that Goku can't go SSJ, SSJ2, and SSJ3 in this form also completely suggests that it's meant to be an upgrade.

On the other hand, Goku never transforms from Super Saiyan 3 to 4 the same way he and others go from 1 to 2 or 3, does he? It's been awhile since I watched GT, but I remember the order always being either regular form --> Oozaru --> Golden Oozaru --> Super Saiyan 4, or just regular form straight to 4. That suggests it's separate from the Super Saiyan 1-2-3 line.

[Luke Groundwalker]

But it is. In terms of power level and use, it's complete and utterly a SSJ4 form. Of course the way to obtain it is different and very much in line what I want, but it's still a complete upgrade from SSJ3 which doesn't make much sense in context of the series. The fact that Goku can't go SSJ, SSJ2, and SSJ3 in this form also completely suggests that it's meant to be an upgrade.

On the other hand, Goku never transforms from Super Saiyan 3 to 4 the same way he and others go from 1 to 2 or 3, does he? It's been awhile since I watched GT, but I remember the order always being either regular form --> Oozaru --> Golden Oozaru --> Super Saiyan 4, or just regular form straight to 4. That suggests it's separate from the Super Saiyan 1-2-3 line.

Well Goku went straight to SSJ3 a couple of times in GT too so I dunno if that proves anything specific. I also recall him going from normal SSJ to SSJ4 at least once, but I could be wrong on that.

I'm aware it's meant to be a different spin on powering up, and that's why I don't think it should be a SSJ form. Telling me that is telling me stuff I'm already aware of and is the main reason why I don't think it's appropriate as the next stage of SSJ. Especially in terms of power multiplier, it certainly is the next step in SSJ.

But honestly this isn't really the thread to debate about this, all I was mentioning is that I never liked the DBAF SSJ5 form as I never even found the form it's based off of (SSJ4) to be appropriate.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

But it is. In terms of power level and use, it's complete and utterly a SSJ4 form. Of course the way to obtain it is different and very much in line what I want, but it's still a complete upgrade from SSJ3 which doesn't make much sense in context of the series. The fact that Goku can't go SSJ, SSJ2, and SSJ3 in this form also completely suggests that it's meant to be an upgrade.

On the other hand, Goku never transforms from Super Saiyan 3 to 4 the same way he and others go from 1 to 2 or 3, does he? It's been awhile since I watched GT, but I remember the order always being either regular form --> Oozaru --> Golden Oozaru --> Super Saiyan 4, or just regular form straight to 4. That suggests it's separate from the Super Saiyan 1-2-3 line.

At the end of Budokai 3 opening, Goku goes SSJ 1-2-3-4. And at Budokai/Budokai Tenkaichi series. Could this be taken as proof that SSJ4 belongs to the Super Saiyan line?

[Zephyr]

At the end of Budokai 3 opening, Goku goes SSJ 1-2-3-4. And at Budokai/Budokai Tenkaichi series. Could this be taken as proof that SSJ4 belongs to the Super Saiyan line?

A video game choosing to line the forms up a certain way doesn't change the fact that we explicitly see the forms as the ends of 2 separate branches.

Though from what it looks like the Golden Oozaru is simply the Oozaru form combined with SSj1. I guess it could be possible to reach something akin to a "SSj2 Oozaru" and a "SSj3 Oozaru. So you could hypothetically become a golden Oozaru FROM the SSj3 state, and proceed to SSj4 from there. But that still wouldn't make sense to call SSj4 the "fourth form on the ladder", because it'd still be possible to reach it in only 3 stages.

[dbgtFO]

The most popular Super Saiyan 5 fan-design. And I must stress that it is a fan created work, nothing official. Is the white fur/long hair design that was first posted in association with the false "Dragon Ball AF" rumors.
http://i56.tinypic.com/3519zr5.jpg

Most of the AF art you will see today uses this design of Super Saiyan 5. There's a popular fanmanga that takes a lot of the rumors that were spread about the fake Dragon Ball AF and creates [url=http://daizex.fanboyreview.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=4470]something very real (and cool) out of them

Not long ago some guy on this forum I think said that it really wasn't supposed to be a hypothetical SSJ 5 design, but rather a hypothetical SSJ 4 Vegetto. Apparently on a HQ scan you can see he is wearing Potara Earrings.

[Soul]

In terms of the silver design, wouldn't that have been derived from a Silver Back Goilla, so in that sense, it seems logical.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

In terms of the silver design, wouldn't that have been derived from a Silver Back Goilla, so in that sense, it seems logical.

Bah, it might have taken influence from that, but it still looks bad and doesn't make any sense to me. Seems more like they were trying to turn Saiyans into Yeti if you ask me.

[Luke Groundwalker]

In terms of the silver design, wouldn't that have been derived from a Silver Back Goilla, so in that sense, it seems logical.

I doubt that was the intent. SSJ4 doesn't have gorilla covers...that's more like chimpanzee colors and whatnot.

Either way I don't think that was the intent other than maybe it's supposed to represent a grey-headed SSJ4 Vegitto.

[AgitoZ]

In terms of the silver design, wouldn't that have been derived from a Silver Back Goilla, so in that sense, it seems logical.

Not really, considering that gorillas don't have tails.