Dragonball Vs. Non Dragonball

[Lord Exor]

Dark Empire Wankatine vs. Frieza.

[vegetaslegacy15]

2. Vegeta post ROSAT vs. Luke Skywalker

Seriously?

Everyone in Star Wars is more or less on the "ordinary human" level of power. A couple blaster shots or a well-aimed lightsaber slash will kill anyone in Star Wars.
Jedi are so good at dodging and blocking stuff because damn near anything that actually HITS them will mean death or serious injury. In case you've somehow forgotten, 99% of all Jedi got wiped out by surprise attacks by a bunch of clone troopers, who are ordinary humans with armor, lots of ordinary human military training, and blasters. Basically, the Red Ribbon Army could kill 99% of all Jedi assuming they didn't see it coming before the shooting started.

If the Red Ribbon Army (or clone troopers) snuck up on Vegeta and started shooting at him, they'd just piss him off and suddenly there wouldn't be a Red Ribbon Army (and/or clone troopers) anymore.

And as for the effectiveness of lightsabers vs. Vegeta... it takes a couple of Jedi some time and effort just to cut through a spaceship's blast doors. Lightsabers are not magic cuts-through-anything-like-butter devices, they're weapons designed for fighting ordinary humans wearing nothing more than a half-inch layer of armor (if that), and their effectiveness goes waaay down once you start trying to slice up anything very far beyond that level. So I suspect their actual cutting power on the DBZ power scale is far, far inferior to something like Trunks's sword (when wielded by someone with the kind of skill and power that Trunks has, of course... not just anyone can pick a sword up and chop Freeza to bits.)
So Vegeta (at least by the Android/Cell saga) would most likely be in no real danger whatsoever from a guy with a lightsaber, he could just block it like he could any other bladed weapon at that point. It'd basically just be a very, very weak ki blast sorta focused into the form of a blade... like a really lame toned-down sword-shaped version of a Kienzan or something.
Plus, it's possible that exposure to DBZ-level ki output would be enough to screw up lightsabers just like it can short out or blow up cameras. Heck, even scouters (which are specifically made to detect ki!) explode if there's a sudden spike that goes too high. So Vegeta might not even have to do anything but power up once to make the lightsaber a non-factor regardless of whether it'd be able to hurt him at all or not.

I'm not familiar with the "Expanded Universe" novels and how powerful characters get in those, but just going by the movies (which are the original material after all...), pretty much anyone in the Star Wars universe would look absolutely helpless in a fight with Vegeta.
And not just post-RoSaT Cell Games Vegeta, I mean any version of Vegeta. Post-RoSaT Vegeta would be overkill to such an absurd degree that you could probably pit him against the entire Star Wars universe and the result of the fight would be about the same as if it was just a single Jedi.

The best Luke (or any Jedi) could really hope for in a fight against Vegeta is Jedi Mind Tricking him into thinking that he has something much more important to do somewhere else and doesn't have time to be fighting low-class scum. And even that wouldn't be guaranteed to work, based on how he was able to shrug off the mind-control aspect of Babidi's spell and do whatever he wanted not too long after he first got that big M on his forehead...

Wow what a tirade :p.

Anyways your probably right about Luke in the movies. But in the expanded series he becomes more powerful than Yoda and he rebuilds the Jedi Order. He also becomes the Jedi Grand Master. He also, in fact, develops a form of Force lightning that is not tainted by the dark side. Not to mention the fact that his son, nephew, and niece are extremely powerful. So maybe expanded series Luke could defeat post-ROSAT Vegeta depending on the which Luke. I think it would take Luke during the Yuzhan-Vong war or maybe even into the Swarm War.

But yeah the Jedi from the Old Republic probably can't defeat Vegeta. Except maybe the Sith Lords

[Rocketman]

Lightsabers are not magic cuts-through-anything-like-butter devices

...yes they are. It takes time to cut through a huge blast door because Star Wars isn't an anime - it doesn't do the anime bullshit where a sword can cut things it never touched.

[Bussani]

And as for the effectiveness of lightsabers vs. Vegeta... it takes a couple of Jedi some time and effort just to cut through a spaceship's blast doors. Lightsabers are not magic cuts-through-anything-like-butter devices, they're weapons designed for fighting ordinary humans wearing nothing more than a half-inch layer of armor (if that), and their effectiveness goes waaay down once you start trying to slice up anything very far beyond that level.

Lightsabers are likely at least 6,000 degrees celsius. If that can't hurt Vegeta, Vegeta can take a dip in the sun and be fine.

[hleV]

If fighters in DB can save their clothes from huge energy attacks, it would seem that they use ki to shield themselves. So if one's ki is high enough, a lightsaber may be no use, like Trunks' sword against SS Goku's finger.

[Bussani]

If fighters in DB can save their clothes from huge energy attacks, it would seem that they use ki to shield themselves. So if one's ki is high enough, a lightsaber may be no use, like Trunks' sword against SS Goku's finger.

I understand where you're coming from, and I'm not saying it's impossible. But even a modern plasma cutter (which is the closest real life tool I can compare to a lightsaber) has arcs in the range of 25,000 °C. I'm not sure people appreciate just how hot that is--it's between four and five times hotter than the surface of the sun!

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

If fighters in DB can save their clothes from huge energy attacks, it would seem that they use ki to shield themselves. So if one's ki is high enough, a lightsaber may be no use, like Trunks' sword against SS Goku's finger.

Except that Trunks' sword is not same as the lightsaber. I can imagine that the lightsaber can cut through Goku's body quite easily, even if he's SSJ. If the sword can't cut through the thick steel door, but a lightsaber can, then I would expect a lightsaber to seriously wound SSJ Goku. If Trunks had a lightsaber, Goku's done for.

[Herms]

Lightsabers are likely at least 6,000 degrees celsius. If that can't hurt Vegeta, Vegeta can take a dip in the sun and be fine.

I remember in GT Su-Xing-Long's body temperature is supposed to be 6,000 degrees, and this hurts regular Goku's hand but doesn't affect Super Saiyan 4 Goku at all. Of course, later a sharp-edged clock face and the sword from an amusement park pirate decoration are implied to be capable of hurting SSj4 Goku.

[CatouttaHell]

Of course, later a sharp-edged clock face and the sword from an amusement park pirate decoration are implied to be capable of hurting SSj4 Goku.

The sword was only implied to be capable of hurting a barely conscious Base Goku.

And the sharp-edged clock face was thrown at him by Yi Xing Long so that makes a big difference. SSjin 4 Goku wouldn't be hurt simply flying through a mountain range but he would be hurt if Yi Xing Long kicked him through one.

But yeah, GT's feats are all over the damn place.

You have grand feats like Base Goku casually busting dimensions and Super Vegeta-Baby's blast affecting Kibitoshin and Goku while they're in another dimension and then stuff like Goku being unable to lift a building.

[Piccolo Daimao]

So, anyone have any opinions on the outcome of the Doskoi-Honda fight?

I think E. Honda would win, for no real reason other than the fact that we don't see Doskoi do much other than getting his neck snapped by Bido. That, and I think Honda's Hundred Hand Slap is better than King Chapa's Hasshu-ken, and King Chapa was feared by even Kame-sennin. I know their names aren't meant to be taken literally, but nonetheless, it's something to loosely go on.

[caejones]

The idea of using ki to block light sabers is what I went with in the crossover fic I wrote several years ago. The rule I went with was that sure, Goku and Vegeta could block light sabers, but they'd have to be paying attention. Getting stabbed in the back could still do them in.
I'm not pretending said fanfic is meant to be wholely accurate, though, since I wrote it based on what props I had available for an action figure movie that never got made. So at one point Goku got cut in half by Darth Maul, just because I had access to a Goku figure that had been broken in half at the waist.

Also, the jedi mind trick would almost certainly work better on Goku than Vegeta, provided Goku wasn't in "take the fight seriously" mode yet, which he probably wouldn't be at the time of an opponent using such a technique.

[FNF]

Tao (Mecha) vs Magneto

[vegetaslegacy15]

Tao (Mecha) vs Magneto

Magneto would win because he would just use his magnetic powers to yank all of the cybernetics and metal off of Tao. Then Tao would be cripple and not able to see. Magneto would throw all of the stuff he tore off back at him and then grab something with a sharp point and jab it through Tao's heart.

[caejones]

So I only just recently discovered that Luke Skywalker once walked through lava just to show that it could be done. I think Luke would stand a pretty good chance against Goku's butt.

[SSJkid]

Lightsabers are likely at least 6,000 degrees celsius. If that can't hurt Vegeta, Vegeta can take a dip in the sun and be fine.

I understand where you're coming from, and I'm not saying it's impossible. But even a modern plasma cutter (which is the closest real life tool I can compare to a lightsaber) has arcs in the range of 25,000 °C. I'm not sure people appreciate just how hot that is--it's between four and five times hotter than the surface of the sun!

It's like hyping something you don't fully know and downplays something you really know.

Lightsabers are likely at least 6,000 degrees celsius? How? Where? When?

Force Weapon: Weapons imbued with the power of the Force could be used to parry a lightsaber's blade without harm.

"The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us, penetrates us, and binds the galaxy together."

Ki is synonym to Force.

Imbued with power of the Force/KI = Lightsaber Resistant

Luke's durability is at planet buster? How? Where? When?

Luke's speed is at supersonic? How? Where? When?

So I only just recently discovered that Luke Skywalker once walked through lava just to show that it could be done. I think Luke would stand a pretty good chance against Goku's butt.

I'm expecting another peak humans would beat Goku next time.

[Bussani]

Lightsabers are likely at least 6,000 degrees celsius? How? Where? When?

They're plasma weapons. You won't find plasma used for cutting any cooler than that, and like I said, even standard plasma cutting tools in existence today are hotter than 6,000 degrees celsius. And considering what lightsabers can do, I'd expect them to be even hotter than that.

Force Weapon: Weapons imbued with the power of the Force could be used to parry a lightsaber's blade without harm.

Ki is synonym to Force.

Imbued with power of the Force/KI = Lightsaber Resistant

First of all, didn't I say that wasn't impossible? In case it wasn't clear, I was never arguing that lightsabers must be able to cut Dragon Ball characters--only that if Dragon Ball characters can resist them, there are other things (like the sun) that they should also be able to resist. That's my conclusion. You don't have to read into it any more than that.

Secondly, Force imbued weapons aren't exactly resistant to lightsabers, as such; they parry them, like a lightsaber parries another lightsaber. It's an important difference because it means the imbued weapon never actually gets exposed to any of the arc's heat. Can a Dragon Ball character use their ki to do the same thing? I'm sure they can. But it's more a fancy method of avoiding the blade than actually being resistant to those sorts of temperatures, which wasn't what I was talking about in either of my previous posts. Hell, I think a lightsaber would be useless against Vegeta in a fight because he'd just dodge it...

[Rocketman]

So Helios would solo the DB cast.

[SSJkid]

Lightsabers are likely at least 6,000 degrees celsius? How? Where? When?

They're plasma weapons. You won't find plasma used for cutting any cooler than that, and like I said, even standard plasma cutting tools in existence today are hotter than 6,000 degrees celsius. And considering what lightsabers can do, I'd expect them to be even hotter than that.

It's the same reason Toriyama didn't think the actual temperature of Ki Blast/Explosion is the same reason as Geoge Lucas didn't think the actual temperature of Light Saber.

Using your logic, I could also expect that Yakon's sucking of light is as powerful as a black hole.

The power of the Lightsaber isn't about it's temperature but it's cutting power.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lightsaber#Cutting_power

Force Weapon: Weapons imbued with the power of the Force could be used to parry a lightsaber's blade without harm.

Ki is synonym to Force.

Imbued with power of the Force/KI = Lightsaber Resistant

First of all, didn't I say that wasn't impossible? In case it wasn't clear, I was never arguing that lightsabers must be able to cut Dragon Ball characters--only that if Dragon Ball characters can resist them, there are other things (like the sun) that they should also be able to resist. That's my conclusion. You don't have to read into it any more than that.

Secondly, Force imbued weapons aren't exactly resistant to lightsabers, as such; they parry them, like a lightsaber parries another lightsaber. It's an important difference because it means the imbued weapon never actually gets exposed to any of the arc's heat. Can a Dragon Ball character use their ki to do the same thing? I'm sure they can. But it's more a fancy method of avoiding the blade than actually being resistant to those sorts of temperatures, which wasn't what I was talking about in either of my previous posts. Hell, I think a lightsaber would be useless against Vegeta in a fight because he'd just dodge it...

What are you talking about? StarWars is wrong and you're right?

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lightsab ... _materials

Lightsaber-resistant materials:

Aside from the blade of another lightsaber, there were rare materials that could withstand a lightsaber blade, but with varying degrees of success:

Force Weapon: Weapons imbued with the power of the Force could be used to parry a lightsaber's blade without harm.

Cortosis, although a rare and expensive metal, was a popular defense against lightsabers. Purified cortosis ore had the ability to momentarily "short out" a lightsaber blade, rendering it inoperable for a brief period of time before the wielder could reactivate it. Cortosis alloy was sturdier than purified cortosis ore, but was only capable of deflecting a lightsaber blade and not deactivating it. One reason why cortosis was so expensive was the need to refine it. Pure, unrefined Cortosis ore was—for unknown reasons—dangerously ionized and anyone who touched it would be killed instantly. There were multiple methods of forging cortosis armor and weapons, each with varying effects.

Phrik, was a rare metallic compound that could withstand a lightsaber blade, although unlike cortosis, Phrik did not possess the ability to cause the blade to short out. Phrik was most notably used in the construction of the electrostaffs wielded by General Grievous's MagnaGuards. Other notable uses of Phrik included elements of Palpatine's lightsaber and Dark trooper armor.

Tikulini's skin could withstand a lightsaber strike.

Darkswords were an ancient type of sword made from a special material that could parry lightsabers. Unlike cortosis, this material did not possess the ability to temporarily deactivate a lightsaber blade it made contact with.

Armorweave was a cloth said to give some resistance to lightsabers, although the protection the reinforced material afforded was limited.

Sith alchemy was employed during the eras of the first Sith Empire to augment the properties of metals so as to counter the seemingly unstoppable lightsaber. The Sith also made use of such elements as cortosis in the forging of their Sith swords. After the original Sith Empire, the most notorious use of Sith alchemy was in the construction and reinforcement of Darth Vader's armor.

Mandalorian iron: A metal found on the planet Mandalore—known as beskar in the Mandalorian language—Mandalorian iron could be forged into several configurations to take advantage of its exceptional lightsaber-resistant qualities. Commonly used in the creation of Mandalorian armor or weapons, the metal was also used to construct the door sealing Freedon Nadd's tomb.

Vong technology: Vonduun Skerr Kyrric armor proved to be lightsaber resistant, and Amphistaffs were able to clash with lightsaber blades repeatedly without sustaining damage.

Water: All lightsabers, unless specially made,would short out when they were submerged in water, due to rapid chain reactions and the instant overpowering of water on the blade. In rain, a lightsaber would steam up, but not short out.

[Bussani]

The power of the Lightsaber isn't about it's temperature but it's cutting power.

They cut by being hot... That's pretty basic...

What are you talking about? StarWars is wrong and you're right?

That are you talking about? I said exactly what it says.

Weapons imbued with the power of the Force could be used to parry a lightsaber's blade without harm.

[SSJkid]

The power of the Lightsaber isn't about it's temperature but it's cutting power.

They cut by being hot... That's pretty basic...

even standard plasma cutting tools in existence today are hotter than 6,000 degrees celsius. And considering what lightsabers can do, I'd expect them to be even hotter than that.

Your whole point there was about the temperature and not it's cutting power.

What are you talking about? StarWars is wrong and you're right?

That are you talking about? I said exactly what it says.

Weapons imbued with the power of the Force could be used to parry a lightsaber's blade without harm.

Force imbued weapons aren't exactly resistant to lightsabers.

Lightsaber-resistant material:

Force Weapon: Weapons imbued with the power of the Force.