Kai Episode 98 + Final DVD & Blu-ray

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Re: Dragon Ball Kai Episode 98

Post by Puto » Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:09 am

SRB2Unleashed wrote:Anybody else realize how open ended this episode was? In the episode preview Goku even says "I'll be back, so don't miss it!" :|
I will note that the translation of that line is ambiguous. The subject isn't mentioned in the Japanese sentence, so Gokū can be referring to himself (I'll be sure to come back, so don't miss it!) or to the viewer ("Be sure to come back, don't miss it!"). It can go both ways, really.
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Re: Dragon Ball Kai Episode 98

Post by DragonBoxZTheMovies » Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:58 am

Well I watched the rest of the episode today and I will say that the 'Anoyoichi Budokai' footage makes a little more sense when you watch the rest of the episode. Oh, and I found the narrator's last words very interesting:
"Goku's adventure continues, but we'll talk about that at a later time... Let's have a break until then. Everyone, see you again!
I'm not sure how accurate the translation was, but it gives me hope for the future.

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Re: Dragon Ball Kai Episode 98

Post by Savage68 » Tue Aug 23, 2011 2:42 am

Don't they drop a hint at "future occurrences" at the end of every series?

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Re: Dragon Ball Kai Episode 98

Post by Kendamu » Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:25 am

I just finished watching the entire episode. I liked it a lot. The little Dragon soul series overview wasn't Doomrider, but it was still neat to see how they specifically showed that everyone pulled their weight in the end to take down Cell (thus making no present character "useless" at the end). Also, the thing with Gohan being too short is on the screen for like 2 seconds. If nobody ever pointed it out it would've taken forever for me to notice. Lastly, the Anoyo'ichi Budoukai bit was a very short and fun way to expand on Goku talking about meeting fighters in the Afterlife and showing him having fun despite being dead.

As Kai isn't going to continue, the only thing I would've done differently is used that montage time to show Gohan grown up and going to High School and everyone preparing for the next Tenka'ichi Budoukai (without really getting into the Boo stuff) instead of making a montage of what happened in all of Kai. For whatever reason I can't quite put my finger on, I would've enjoyed it even more.

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Re: Dragon Ball Kai Episode 98

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:25 am

Why everyone wants Boo arc stuff? I prefer it as it is. As it doesn't seem to continue, I don't see a reason to show future footage and make the fans hope for more, while they will possibly never have more. But if they ever do the Boo arc, I want Toei to animate the Kanzenban ending.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Dragon Ball Kai Episode 98

Post by Puto » Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:44 am

AgitoZ wrote:
DragonBoxZTheMovies wrote:The finale:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88qnKo7YOEI
Here's hoping when FUNi dubs it, Vic Mignogna gets to do the full version.
Except only two lines not in the TV version actually made it into the montage: "Dokkan Dokkan kite'ru ze, motto mirai ga tanoshiku naru yo"

For the hell of it, here's a transcript of the cut of the song used for the montage, and for added bonus, the english dub's equivalents of them:
Dokkan Dokkan tsuite'ru - Don't stop, Don't stop, We're in luck now
Dokkan Dokkan Paradise - Don't stop, there's so much to be found
Genki-Dama ga hajiketobuze Go Go Let's do it - We can find paradise, all we have to do is go, go, free your soul
ugomeku ayashī energy (energy) - Mysteries abound, made of a deep energy (energy)
yōsha wa shinai ze mite'ro yo - Foes all around, but I will go fearless and free
inochi ni kaete mo mamoru yo (mamoru yo) - I'll give you strength, you give me love, that's how we live (that's how we live)
ai suru yūki o tsuyosa ni kaero - Courage won't fade; if you're with me, my enemies can never win
yarinuku kiai de pinch o koete'ku - We will fight for love and glory, we will life to tell the story
tegowai yatsu hodo waku-waku mo dekkai ze - There is nothing we can't live through, nothing ever dies, we will rise again
Dokkan Dokkan tsuite'ru - Don't stop, Don't stop, We're in luck now
Dokkan Dokkan ashita mo - Don't stop, there's so much to be found
kotae o mō tamashii wa shitte'ru no sa - We can find paradise, all we have to do is go, go, free your soul [yeah, they repeated these two in the dub even though the jp version had different lines]
Dokkan Dokkan tsuite'ru - Don't stop, Don't stop, We're in luck now
Dokkan Dokkan kite'ru ze - [no dub version]
motto mirai ga tanoshiku naru yo - [no dub version]
Dokkan Dokkan tsuite'ru - Don't stop, Don't stop, We're in luck now
Dokkan Dokkan Paradise - Don't stop, there's so much to be found
Genki-Dama ga hajiketobuze Go Go Let's do it - We can find paradise, all we have to do is go, go, free your soul
Dragon Soul!
They could probably just replace the two different lines with the other two lines in the OP that weren't used:
Dokkan Dokkan chance sa - Don't stop, keep your spirit proud
Lucky no kaze ni byun-byun notte - And ride upon the wind, all we have to do is go
So that is likely what will happen.

EDIT: You know, like this! ...I need to get a life.
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Re: Dragon Ball Kai Episode 98

Post by SRB2Unleashed » Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:00 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HekENqw7mr4

I re-edited the recap, re-arranging and adding some scenes.
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Re: Dragon Ball Kai Episode 98

Post by Kendamu » Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:48 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Why everyone wants Boo arc stuff? I prefer it as it is. As it doesn't seem to continue, I don't see a reason to show future footage and make the fans hope for more, while they will possibly never have more. But if they ever do the Boo arc, I want Toei to animate the Kanzenban ending.
Not necessarily Boo arc stuff that shows the villain or anything, but more or less the stuff that leads right up to it that shows how the characters went about their lives as Gohan grew up. It would show that Krillin and #18 got together and had a kid. It would show that Gohan continued studying to be a scholar. Stuff like that. It would actually add to the finality of it all instead of giving false hope for future episodes if done right.

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Re: Dragon Ball Kai Episode 98

Post by Tanooki Kuribo » Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:12 pm

Hey, guys I'm not gonna dissect this thing. Instead just wait for VegettoEX's review. I did upload the last few minutes of episode 97 and 98 on Youtube though...
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Re: Dragon Ball Kai Episode 98

Post by Ahiru77 » Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:13 am

Despite the music, this episode was brilliant. :mrgreen:

They even kept that awesome time travel scene I loved so much. This episode is a really cool ending for Kai.
Too bad about that eyebrow thing though. ^^"

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Re: Dragon Ball Kai Episode 98

Post by kei17 » Wed Aug 24, 2011 2:17 pm

I made a video for those who prefer the Yamamoto score. :) Please delete the link if this violates the rules.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu4efVm-Zkc

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Re: Dragon Ball Kai Episode 98

Post by coola » Wed Aug 24, 2011 6:16 pm

I didn`t watch Kai Cell Saga,so,could someone tell me please,if First form Cell sounded like that earlier too? I couldnt watch more than minute,i dont think it could get more forced :(
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Re: Dragon Ball Kai Episode 98

Post by JulieYBM » Wed Aug 24, 2011 6:19 pm

coola wrote:I didn`t watch Kai Cell Saga,so,could someone tell me please,if First form Cell sounded like that earlier too? I couldnt watch more than minute,i dont think it could get more forced :(
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Re: Dragon Ball Kai Episode 98

Post by Chuquita » Thu Aug 25, 2011 2:50 am

Wow was this episode all over the place for me.

It's very weird coming back to Kai after four months have passed; especially with the music alterations. Where Z's score in Kai was a novelty for me back in April, here it just feels very misplaced. Some of the music placement was pretty bad in the beginning of this episode, but things got better as they moved along. The whole episode felt rushed; like they were trying to cram so much in and jumping constantly from one thing to the next that it made it hard to concentrate on the most dramatic/serious part of the episode: Trunks finishing his work in the future. I mean, I always enjoy cute Goku filler, but it felt like it belonged in a different episode.

As much as I'd like to see what they do with the Buu arc if they get to it, I have a feeling those optimistic hints are exactly the same as the live action movie's cliffhanger-with-a-bowl-of-soup. It's most likely not going to happen. You'd need a combo of Toriko tanking badly and people buying a load more DB merchandise to get Kai back.


The AMV-ish recap at the end; I'll admit there were parts of it that did make me crack a smile (at the beginning mostly) but this also seemed kind of frantically set up. I have to wonder how much notice everyone was given in terms of finding out that the series was ending and they had to wrap things up.


Still, it was nice to see Kai one last time. Thank you to Toei for putting this final ep on DVD.
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Re: Kai Episode 98 + Final DVD & Blu-ray

Post by VegettoEX » Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:11 am

Aaaaaaaand I finally got around to putting up my review. Pretty much everything you could (likely?) want to know about the final disc and extra episode. Should be proof-read and all that jazz, but lemme know if anyone spots anything.
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Re: Kai Episode 98 + Final DVD & Blu-ray

Post by dbgtFO » Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:13 pm

VegettoEX wrote:Aaaaaaaand I finally got around to putting up my review. Pretty much everything you could (likely?) want to know about the final disc and extra episode. Should be proof-read and all that jazz, but lemme know if anyone spots anything.
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Re: Kai Episode 98 + Final DVD & Blu-ray

Post by Chibi Mystic Gohan » Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:18 pm

VegettoEX wrote:Wondering what else to wish for, unable to turn #18 into a human (since, as a cyborg, she is already human-based to begin with)
Rather, wasn't it simply beyond Shenlong's power to change the nature of her being against her will?
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Re: Kai Episode 98 + Final DVD & Blu-ray

Post by VegettoEX » Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:19 pm

Was that the quirk of it? Watched it raw :P. My recollection's hazy. I remember just "hey dawg, I can't do that".
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Re: Kai Episode 98 + Final DVD & Blu-ray

Post by Adamant » Fri Aug 26, 2011 3:42 pm

I don't have the episode/manga available, but I believe he just said "That's beyond my power" with no further clarification.
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Re: Dragon Ball Kai Episode 98

Post by Masa95000 » Sun Aug 28, 2011 11:33 pm

Tanooki Kuribo wrote:You know, I didn't notice how short Gohan was in the shot, just how bad he looked. But his face should be somewhere above Goku's belt. Comparing it like this, he looks like a midget!

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After watching the episode, I think that the reason why Gohan seems short in that shot is because Goku is in the foreground… I don't know, that's the best explanation I can give… Or they just screwed up.

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