Dragonball Vs. Non Dragonball

[Rocketman]

Ghost Rider could hang with DB, though.

Is it Penance Stare?

If Ghost Rider could hang with DB, so is Captain America :lol:

The Rider is immortal, has unlimited regeneration, and his form is made of Hellfire so he can't be cut or otherwise physically damaged by Earthly things. Also his fire burns the souls of the wicked, which Dragonball's cast certainly count as.

[SSJkid]

Ghost Rider could hang with DB, though.

Is it Penance Stare?

If Ghost Rider could hang with DB, so is Captain America

The Rider is immortal, has unlimited regeneration, and his form is made of Hellfire so he can't be cut or otherwise physically damaged by Earthly things. Also his fire burns the souls of the wicked, which Dragonball's cast certainly count as.

Yet he was beaten by peak humans, mutants and mutates before.

Goku, Gohan and Goten's soul isn't wicked , they're immune to that fire.

[Rocketman]

Goku most certainly is, on account of being a gluttonous, selfish, violent little prick.

[goku the krump dancer]

Goku most certainly is, on account of being a gluttonous, selfish, violent little prick.

But he can still ride Kinto' un.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Goku most certainly is, on account of being a gluttonous, selfish, violent little prick.

But he can still ride Kinto' un.

Well, we never see him ride it again after the beginning of the Freeza arc.

[Rocketman]

Goku most certainly is, on account of being a gluttonous, selfish, violent little prick.

But he can still ride Kinto' un.

So? What passes for 'pure' in the dystopian DB world wouldn't fly to Ghost Rider.

[goku the krump dancer]

Goku most certainly is, on account of being a gluttonous, selfish, violent little prick.

But he can still ride Kinto' un.

So? What passes for 'pure' in the dystopian DB world wouldn't fly to Ghost Rider.

Well if Goku's rules dont apply to Ghost Rider then Ghost Rider's rules damn sure dont apply to Goku either. That soul burning whip doesnt sound all that different from the Devil Mite Beam.

Well, we never see him ride it again after the beginning of the Freeza arc.

Yeah but Gohan does and hes the one with all the anger problems and like his dad he has SSJ1&2, plus being that he doesnt train after the Cell saga that would mean he has less control over his SSJ 2 form which would make him more barbaric than Goku who has done the exact opposite of what his son did after Cell's demise.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Well, we never see him ride it again after the beginning of the Freeza arc.

Yeah but Gohan does and hes the one with all the anger problems and like his dad he has SSJ1&2, plus being that he doesnt train after the Cell saga that would mean he has less control over his SSJ 2 form which would make him more barbaric than Goku who has done the exact opposite of what his son did after Cell's demise.

Meh. After the Freeza arc, it's open to interpretation about whether or not Goku's pure or not. Judging by his repeated selfish actions that put his battle addiction over the fate of Earth, as well as offering up Bulma to old Kaioshin for sexual violation, I'd say he's not pure after the Freeza arc.

And Gohan riding the Kinto'un is irrelevant. Of course it's up to opinion, but I don't think anger makes you impure, as that's just human nature. Goku got angry when Kuririn was killed, yet could still ride the Kinto'un, and this was before he became an adult, was retconned into a Saiyan, started making retarded decisions and the Earth was in serious danger.

[SSJkid]

Goku most certainly is, on account of being a gluttonous, selfish, violent little prick.

Goku is PURE heart, you can't judge the person the way you see him but what's deep inside his heart, most importantly by plot he's pure heart. Also, Ghost Rider's fire isn't a one-hit kill, many peak human, mutants and mutates survived those. Even the Hulk knocked out Ghost Rider, I don't see any reason why King Piccolo wouldn't do the same thing. Did you read the WWH? Immortality doesn't make you a winner.

Ghost Rider = vulnerable to magic, can be knocked out and sealed. How fast is the Ghost Rider?

But wait, Aizen is immortal too and if Ghost Rider can burn the soul, Aizen cuts the soul. Does that mean he can keep up with DragonBall characters too?

Like I said, if a character doesn't complete the set of super durability, massive strength or destructive energy projection, hypersonic speed and above, it's a joke to fit him with DragonBall Characters. In the end, it's another overhyped american comic book character.

Well, we never see him ride it again after the beginning of the Freeza arc.

Yeah but Gohan does and hes the one with all the anger problems and like his dad he has SSJ1&2, plus being that he doesnt train after the Cell saga that would mean he has less control over his SSJ 2 form which would make him more barbaric than Goku who has done the exact opposite of what his son did after Cell's demise.

Meh. After the Freeza arc, it's open to interpretation about whether or not Goku's pure or not. Judging by his repeated selfish actions that put his battle addiction over the fate of Earth, as well as offering up Bulma to old Kaioshin for sexual violation, I'd say he's not pure after the Freeza arc.

And Gohan riding the Kinto'un is irrelevant. Of course it's up to opinion, but I don't think anger makes you impure, as that's just human nature. Goku got angry when Kuririn was killed, yet could still ride the Kinto'un, and this was before he became an adult, was retconned into a Saiyan, started making retarded decisions and the Earth was in serious danger.

Don't judge the book by it's cover.

Saiyan Arc = Goku is still riding the Kintoun, gave Raditz a chance and allowed a dying Vegeta to leave the Earth.

Freeza Arc = He didn't kill Freeza, theoretically his worst enemy (exterminated his entire race and killed a changed Vegeta). He even allowed Freeza to live by giving some of his own energy.

Cell Arc = Goku gave Cell a senzu bean.

Buu Arc = Dead Goku = you can still see his halo and kept his own body, he allowed Fat-Buu to live.

[goku the krump dancer]

Well, we never see him ride it again after the beginning of the Freeza arc.

Yeah but Gohan does and hes the one with all the anger problems and like his dad he has SSJ1&2, plus being that he doesnt train after the Cell saga that would mean he has less control over his SSJ 2 form which would make him more barbaric than Goku who has done the exact opposite of what his son did after Cell's demise.

Meh. After the Freeza arc, it's open to interpretation about whether or not Goku's pure or not. Judging by his repeated selfish actions that put his battle addiction over the fate of Earth, as well as offering up Bulma to old Kaioshin for sexual violation, I'd say he's not pure after the Freeza arc.

And Gohan riding the Kinto'un is irrelevant. Of course it's up to opinion, but I don't think anger makes you impure, as that's just human nature. Goku got angry when Kuririn was killed, yet could still ride the Kinto'un, and this was before he became an adult, was retconned into a Saiyan, started making retarded decisions and the Earth was in serious danger.

I understand where you're coming from but Goku's "selfish" decisions arent really character affecting are they? Choosing to stay dead in order to try and prevent evil from purging the Earth isnt really an act of selfishness, neither is choosing to stay on an alien panet to learn ONE new technique. Now I know most people would say those are examples of Goku being a neglectful father but I dont think the series sees it in that kind of light, if anything thats just fans being funny and people looking into it a bit too realistically. As for the whole Bulma thing, we all know that it was for a greater cause. The only way I could see that being a drastic change of character is if he was actually going to let Old Kaioshin violate her, but then again I think Goku just promised him a kiss from her or some pictures or something like that not something on the verge of rape. I'm pretty sure If Old Kai was dead set on getting Bulma Goku would have worked some way around it.

[Vegeta Jr]

1. Piccolo would win, not as easy as you would think but he would still take it. He could grow like Giant Man but still have his immense power thus he could just hold Hulk in his palm until he calms down and reverts to Banner.
2. Krillin obviously.
3. Superman is too op for his own good, although I'm sure Goku could think of a way to beat him. Supes is incrediby fast but Goku has Instantaneous movement. In fact all he would need to do is teleport them both somewhere near a red sun and curb stomp supes.

[SSJkid]

Anyone who says Goku is not pure heart after Freeza Arc is in defiance of the Toriyama's intentions.

Any opponent who was knocked out or begs mercy on Goku, will be given a second chance, that's PURE heart.

[Rocketman]

Goku is PURE heart, you can't judge the person the way you see him but what's deep inside his heart, most importantly by plot he's pure heart.

Penance Stare forces the target to feel the pain of all the innocent people they've hurt. For Goku, that'd be pretty much the entire population of Earth.

Even the Hulk knocked out Ghost Rider, I don't see any reason why King Piccolo wouldn't do the same thing.

Hulk knocked out Johnny Blaze, but the Rider is a separate entity. Blaze restricts his power because he's human. Knocking out Blaze just releases the Rider's full godlike strength.

Reed Richards: Do you think it's possible for Ghost Rider to defeat the Hulk?

Dr. Strange: Possible? Yes. The Ghost Rider's powers are, for most intents and purposes, boundless. Godlike.

Like I said, if a character doesn't complete the set of super durability, massive strength or destructive energy projection, hypersonic speed and above, it's a joke to fit him with DragonBall Characters.

I don't see why it matters. They can't kill him, they can't stop him, they can't even seal him in the Dead Zone because the Rider can hop dimensions. If they hit him hard enough, Johnny Blaze gets KO'd but that just removes the safety on the Rider's powers. If they kill Blaze, the Rider goes to a new host.

I guess the Evil Containment Wave could work, maybe, but what's the chances they'd think of it.

In fact all he would need to do is teleport them both somewhere near a red sun and curb stomp supes.

Goku can't teleport somewhere without ki to lock onto.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Goku most certainly is, on account of being a gluttonous, selfish, violent little prick.

Goku is PURE heart, you can't judge the person the way you see him but what's deep inside his heart, most importantly by plot he's pure heart. Also, Ghost Rider's fire isn't a one-hit kill, many peak human, mutants and mutates survived those. Even the Hulk knocked out Ghost Rider, I don't see any reason why King Piccolo wouldn't do the same thing. Did you read the WWH? Immortality doesn't make you a winner.

Ghost Rider = vulnerable to magic, can be knocked out and sealed. How fast is the Ghost Rider?

But wait, Aizen is immortal too and if Ghost Rider can burn the soul, Aizen cuts the soul. Does that mean he can keep up with DragonBall characters too?

Like I said, if a character doesn't complete the set of super durability, massive strength or destructive energy projection, hypersonic speed and above, it's a joke to fit him with DragonBall Characters. In the end, it's another overhyped american comic book character.

Yeah but Gohan does and hes the one with all the anger problems and like his dad he has SSJ1&2, plus being that he doesnt train after the Cell saga that would mean he has less control over his SSJ 2 form which would make him more barbaric than Goku who has done the exact opposite of what his son did after Cell's demise.

Meh. After the Freeza arc, it's open to interpretation about whether or not Goku's pure or not. Judging by his repeated selfish actions that put his battle addiction over the fate of Earth, as well as offering up Bulma to old Kaioshin for sexual violation, I'd say he's not pure after the Freeza arc.

And Gohan riding the Kinto'un is irrelevant. Of course it's up to opinion, but I don't think anger makes you impure, as that's just human nature. Goku got angry when Kuririn was killed, yet could still ride the Kinto'un, and this was before he became an adult, was retconned into a Saiyan, started making retarded decisions and the Earth was in serious danger.

Don't judge the book by it's cover.

Saiyan Arc = Goku is still riding the Kintoun, gave Raditz a chance and allowed a dying Vegeta to leave the Earth.

Freeza Arc = He didn't kill Freeza, theoretically his worst enemy (exterminated his entire race and killed a changed Vegeta). He even allowed Freeza to live by giving some of his own energy.

Cell Arc = Goku gave Cell a senzu bean.

Buu Arc = Dead Goku = you can still see his halo and kept his own body, he allowed Fat-Buu to live.

Yeah, I don't really have an argument for the Saiyan arc one. But I do for the later arcs. The last time Goku was seen riding a Kinto'un was at the beginning of the Freeza arc, when he got out of hospital and went to check up on Dr Brief building his spaceship. After that, it's open to interpretation whether or not Goku was still pure-hearted. And considering how he seemed to somewhat embrace his Saiyan nature a little more after Vegeta died, then how he continuously makes stupidly risky, inexcusable decisions that put the fate of Earth and everyone else at danger, then I don't think you can call him pure-hearted.

And yeah, in the Boo arc, he kept his own body, but that's not about being pure-hearted. That's just about being a good guy when he was alive, which he technically was, since he defeated an infamous criminal organization (RRA), defeated the Great Demon King and saved the Earth (Piccolo), and sacrificed his life to save Earth from destruction (Cell).

And so what if he allowed Fat Boo to live? Mercy doesn't make you pure-hearted. Once again, it can be a human trait to show mercy to someone that, no matter how much bad stuff he did, is lying beaten and unconscious at your feet. Especially when it's an innocent, childlike, manipulated being like Fat Boo, who has since expelled the evil from his body.

[SSJkid]

Goku is PURE heart, you can't judge the person the way you see him but what's deep inside his heart, most importantly by plot he's pure heart.

Penance Stare forces the target to feel the pain of all the innocent people they've hurt. For Goku, that'd be pretty much the entire population of Earth.

I'm asking you before if it's about Penance Stare but you said GR immortal, has unlimited regeneration, and his form is made of Hellfire.

It's Buu who killed the entire population of Earth.

Ghost Rider only uses Penance Stare when he's close enough to his enemy, and that's usually when he has already bested them in combat. Then, he grabs them by the neck and looks them in the eye. That's how it works, I doubt Ghost Rider can best King Piccolo and above level in combat.

Even the Hulk knocked out Ghost Rider, I don't see any reason why King Piccolo wouldn't do the same thing.

Hulk knocked out Johnny Blaze, but the Rider is a separate entity. Blaze restricts his power because he's human. Knocking out Blaze just releases the Rider's full godlike strength.

Johnny Blaze is a part of Ghost Rider.

Reed Richards: Do you think it's possible for Ghost Rider to defeat the Hulk?

Dr. Strange: Possible? Yes. The Ghost Rider's powers are, for most intents and purposes, boundless. Godlike.

Like I said, if a character doesn't complete the set of super durability, massive strength or destructive energy projection, hypersonic speed and above, it's a joke to fit him with DragonBall Characters.

I don't see why it matters. They can't kill him, they can't stop him, they can't even seal him in the Dead Zone because the Rider can hop dimensions. If they hit him hard enough, Johnny Blaze gets KO'd but that just removes the safety on the Rider's powers. If they kill Blaze, the Rider goes to a new host.

I guess the Evil Containment Wave could work, maybe, but what's the chances they'd think of it.

You don't need to kill an opponent to win a fight.

Ghost Rider wouldn't even hit any King Piccolo's level of speed, he's just an immortal version of Akkuman.

Yeah, I don't really have an argument for the Saiyan arc one. But I do for the later arcs. The last time Goku was seen riding a Kinto'un was at the beginning of the Freeza arc, when he got out of hospital and went to check up on Dr Brief building his spaceship. After that, it's open to interpretation whether or not Goku was still pure-hearted. And considering how he seemed to somewhat embrace his Saiyan nature a little more after Vegeta died, then how he continuously makes stupidly risky, inexcusable decisions that put the fate of Earth and everyone else at danger, then I don't think you can call him pure-hearted.

And yeah, in the Boo arc, he kept his own body, but that's not about being pure-hearted. That's just about being a good guy when he was alive, which he technically was, since he defeated an infamous criminal organization (RRA), defeated the Great Demon King and saved the Earth (Piccolo), and sacrificed his life to save Earth from destruction (Cell).

And so what if he allowed Fat Boo to live? Mercy doesn't make you pure-hearted. Once again, it can be a human trait to show mercy to someone that, no matter how much bad stuff he did, is lying beaten and unconscious at your feet. Especially when it's an innocent, childlike, manipulated being like Fat Boo, who has since expelled the evil from his body.

So you are in defiance of the Toriyama's intentions of Goku as pure heart. Pure HEART IS DIFFERENT FROM BEING GOOD ALONE, there's a reason why there's a word PURE in it. It's not like, you see him risk the world, then you can call him unpure heart LOL. Pure Heart is not something you see from the outside but what's deep inside the heart, sure Goku loves to fight/risk but deep inside his heart, he doesn't want to commit evil deeds for his own desires.

[DemonRin]

Ok.

Alucard, From Hellsing.

Unleash him into the Dragonball universe, give him a reason to take on the DB charas and it would be a gory massacre.

[Hellspawn28]

Who would be the strongest DB character that Freddy could beat in Dream World?

[mysticboy]

Who would be the strongest DB character that Freddy could beat in Dream World?

Farmer with shotgun.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Yeah but Gohan does and hes the one with all the anger problems and like his dad he has SSJ1&2, plus being that he doesnt train after the Cell saga that would mean he has less control over his SSJ 2 form which would make him more barbaric than Goku who has done the exact opposite of what his son did after Cell's demise.

Meh. After the Freeza arc, it's open to interpretation about whether or not Goku's pure or not. Judging by his repeated selfish actions that put his battle addiction over the fate of Earth, as well as offering up Bulma to old Kaioshin for sexual violation, I'd say he's not pure after the Freeza arc.

And Gohan riding the Kinto'un is irrelevant. Of course it's up to opinion, but I don't think anger makes you impure, as that's just human nature. Goku got angry when Kuririn was killed, yet could still ride the Kinto'un, and this was before he became an adult, was retconned into a Saiyan, started making retarded decisions and the Earth was in serious danger.

I understand where you're coming from but Goku's "selfish" decisions arent really character affecting are they? Choosing to stay dead in order to try and prevent evil from purging the Earth isnt really an act of selfishness, neither is choosing to stay on an alien panet to learn ONE new technique. Now I know most people would say those are examples of Goku being a neglectful father but I dont think the series sees it in that kind of light, if anything thats just fans being funny and people looking into it a bit too realistically. As for the whole Bulma thing, we all know that it was for a greater cause. The only way I could see that being a drastic change of character is if he was actually going to let Old Kaioshin violate her, but then again I think Goku just promised him a kiss from her or some pictures or something like that not something on the verge of rape. I'm pretty sure If Old Kai was dead set on getting Bulma Goku would have worked some way around it.

Nonetheless, knowing the potential consequences of what could happen afterwards (Goku even regretted sparing Vegeta after he learned that he was on Namek with Bulma, Kuririn and Gohan), he's still repeatedly put a good fight over the safety of his home planet and, subsequently, his friends and family. Goku can't even hide behind his "innocence" anymore, because he's well aware of his selfish actions. And people that are pure-hearted aren't selfish.

And choosing to stay dead in order to prevent evil from purging the Earth again doesn't excuse deliberately allowing an evil scientist to build Androids that are said to kill you and your friends in three years rather than using the DBs to find and kill him before the shits the fan, just because you want to fight them.

And yeah, it may've been "for a greater cause", but it still doesn't excuse the fact that Goku used his oldest friend to be sexually harrassed by yet another old man. I don't know what it says in the original, but in Viz, Goku originally says to the old Kaioshin that he'll let him meet a real woman (Bulma), and later he says that he'll get the old Kaioishin a "naughty picture" of Bulma. When Vegeta protests and tells Goku to give him a picture of his own wife, Goku replies that Chi-Chi's "flat-chested". However, "naughty picture" looks like a case of censorship, so it's probably worser in the original.

And the definition of sexual assault includes this:

The term sexual assault is used, in public discourse, as a generic term that is defined as any involuntary sexual act in which a person is threatened, coerced, or forced to engage against their will, or any sexual touching of a person who has not consented. This includes rape (such as forced vaginal, anal or oral penetration), inappropriate touching, forced kissing, child sexual abuse, or the torture of the victim in a sexual manner.
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Sexual harassment is intimidation, bullying or coercion of a sexual nature, or the unwelcome or inappropriate promise of rewards in exchange for sexual favors. In the United States, sexual harassment is a form of discrimination which violates Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The legal and social definition of what constitutes sexual harassment differ widely by culture. Sexual harassment includes a wide range of behaviors from seemingly mild transgressions to serious forms of abuse, and some forms of sexual harassment overlap with sexual assault. Sexual Harassment may include leering, pressure for dates, pressing or rubbing against a person, obscene phone calls, bra snapping, wolf-whistles, lip-smacking, indecent exposure, sexual discrimination, displaying explicit materials, sexist jokes, unwanted grabbing, comments about person's body, soliciting sexual services.

I'd say Goku offering to let old Kaioshin go on a date with/feel up/see a "naughty picture" of Bulma without her consent, in exchange for the Kaioshin powering up Gohan, counts as sexual assault or harrassment.

[SSJkid]

Nonetheless, knowing the potential consequences of what could happen afterwards (Goku even regretted sparing Vegeta after he learned that he was on Namek with Bulma, Kuririn and Gohan), he's still repeatedly put a good fight over the safety of his home planet and, subsequently, his friends and family. Goku can't even hide behind his "innocence" anymore, because he's well aware of his selfish actions. And people that are pure-hearted aren't selfish.

Vegeta is dying, if he killed a dying and helpless Vegeta, do you think that's pure heart?

And choosing to stay dead in order to prevent evil from purging the Earth again doesn't excuse deliberately allowing an evil scientist to build Androids that are said to kill you and your friends in three years rather than using the DBs to find and kill him before the shits the fan, just because you want to fight them.

About the Androids, Goku's reason was Dr. Gero is helpless and isn't doing anything wrong at that time. Do you think killing a helpless Scientist is pure heart?

About SSJ3 Goku not beating Fat Buu, it's for the better cause, he wants the new generations from the living world to handle any future threats. Do you think it's selfish to think about the new generations and their future?

And yeah, it may've been "for a greater cause", but it still doesn't excuse the fact that Goku used his oldest friend to be sexually harrassed by yet another old man. I don't know what it says in the original, but in Viz, Goku originally says to the old Kaioshin that he'll let him meet a real woman (Bulma), and later he says that he'll get the old Kaioishin a "naughty picture" of Bulma. When Vegeta protests and tells Goku to give him a picture of his own wife, Goku replies that Chi-Chi's "flat-chested". However, "naughty picture" looks like a case of censorship, so it's probably worser in the original.

And the definition of sexual assault includes this:

The term sexual assault is used, in public discourse, as a generic term that is defined as any involuntary sexual act in which a person is threatened, coerced, or forced to engage against their will, or any sexual touching of a person who has not consented. This includes rape (such as forced vaginal, anal or oral penetration), inappropriate touching, forced kissing, child sexual abuse, or the torture of the victim in a sexual manner.
[...]
Sexual harassment is intimidation, bullying or coercion of a sexual nature, or the unwelcome or inappropriate promise of rewards in exchange for sexual favors. In the United States, sexual harassment is a form of discrimination which violates Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The legal and social definition of what constitutes sexual harassment differ widely by culture. Sexual harassment includes a wide range of behaviors from seemingly mild transgressions to serious forms of abuse, and some forms of sexual harassment overlap with sexual assault. Sexual Harassment may include leering, pressure for dates, pressing or rubbing against a person, obscene phone calls, bra snapping, wolf-whistles, lip-smacking, indecent exposure, sexual discrimination, displaying explicit materials, sexist jokes, unwanted grabbing, comments about person's body, soliciting sexual services.

I'd say Goku offering to let old Kaioshin go on a date with/feel up/see a "naughty picture" of Bulma without her consent, in exchange for the Kaioshin powering up Gohan, counts as sexual assault or harrassment.

It's more of a gag scene or if you still insists about the sexual assault argument, where's the sexual harrassment after they beat Majin-Buu? It's an agreement or for you a very serious agreement but where it is?

Seriously, all your argument about Goku being wicked, evil and selfish is a straight forward-not thinking. Just think about why did Goku let Vegeta, Doctor Gero and Fat Buu live, is it an act of evil? Do you think mercy is about being selfish?

If you're doing this because of SSJ3 Goku vs Ghost Rider, goodluck, Ghost Rider doesn't have the strength, speed, fire power and durability to go toe-to-toe. Also, Ghost Rider has been knocked out before or he doesn't have a record of 0 loss against peak humans/above and you don't need to kill to get a win.