Pure Boo > Evil Boo or vice versa?

[Herms]

This topic comes up so often, do you think there could be some kind of chart listing all the points brought up to support each side? It seems like every time we just go through the same basic conversation.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

Pure Boo isn't even anywhere near Base Gotenks' level, let alone Evil Boo's level. Goku said SSjin Gotenks (Pre) would be stronger than him and it was never contradicted, making it a fact.

When Evil Boo appears Piccolo doesn't think Gotenks has a chance at winning right off the bat and sends him into the RoSaT. Base Gotenks (Post) is then stated to blow Piccolo's expectations for SSjin Gotenks out of the water.

Yet despite all of this power, he still requires going all the way up to SSjin 3 before he can beat Evil Boo, and even then Boo puts up a bit of a fight.

Nothing implies Pure Boo was holding back some insane amount of power either. The only reason Son lost was because of the strain of SSjin 3.

Pure Boo was clearly struggling with him and even had to resort to using his Candy Beam at one point. Not something you'd expect from somebody who is supposedly toying around.

SSjin 3 Gotenks > Evil Boo > SSjin 2 Gotenks > SSjin Gotenks (Post) > Base Gotenks (Post) > SSjin Gotenks (Pre) > SSjin 3 Goku > Pure Boo

Pure Boo isn't even a thousandth as powerful as Evil Boo realistically.

But would you put Pure Boo stronger than the Fat Boo (with Evil still intact), I would as Goku said that he would have beaten him but intended the newer generation to handle things, whereas he had to charge to maximum Ki to take out Pure Boo. Also SSJ3 Gotenks >= Evil Boo wouldn't you say?

[Perfect]

This topic comes up so often, do you think there could be some kind of chart listing all the points brought up to support each side? It seems like every time we just go through the same basic conversation.

I'm sure if someone decided to do so, a few quick searches on this board, a few copy and pastes later (Or paraphrasing, depending on how ya wanna do it), could easily accomplish this within a few hours if they have time.

Edit: Actually how far would the chart go? From every Buu saga power confusion, between Buu power/transformation confusion or Evil Buu/Pure Buu perplexity?

[Nazi Cola]

The problem I foresee with the chart is someone from one side will go "That's totally not what the point of my belief's argument is, you're just distorting it to make us look bad!" in regards to a point against them or something, and then someone from the other side will obviously back up the point being fair. But maybe I'm thinking of other forums too much, and this'll be different.

Anyway, I follow a simple chain:

SSj Vegetto/Gogeta > Gohan-Boo > Gotenks-Boo > Ultimate Gohan > Buff Boo > Piccolo-Boo > Super Boo >/< SSj3 Gotenks > SSj Gotenks (post-RST) > Base Gotenks (post-RST) > SSj Gotenks (pre-RST) ~ SSj3 Goku > Kid Boo > Fat Boo > Skinny Boo > Base Gotenks (pre-RST) ~ Good Boo > SSj2 Goku

[Perfect]

The problem I foresee with the chart is someone from one side will go "That's totally not what the point of my belief's argument is, you're just distorting it to make us look bad!" in regards to a point against them or something, and then someone from the other side will obviously back up the point being fair. But maybe I'm thinking of other forums too much, and this'll be different.

Anyway, I follow a simple chain:

SSj Vegetto/Gogeta > Gohan-Boo > Gotenks-Boo > Ultimate Gohan > Buff Boo > Piccolo-Boo > Super Boo >/< SSj3 Gotenks > SSj Gotenks (post-RST) > Base Gotenks (post-RST) > SSj Gotenks (pre-RST) ~ SSj3 Goku > Kid Boo > Fat Boo > Skinny Boo > Base Gotenks (pre-RST) ~ Good Boo > SSj2 Goku

The thing that strikes me most odd about Buu arguments is that some fans try to argue even when they've been proven wrong about simple things. If anything it'd have to be purely manga based or the "chart" would takes hours upon hours upon hours because of filler. The perspective argument gets old after awhile with Buu, but I think I'll try and create an article/chart/guide whatever you wanna call it of Buu's forms, how they appear and where they're gauged strength wise for each reason I can possibly fathom and try and prove/disprove which of the two is right and edit it based upon the criticism received; given I'm not perfect like Cell I'll screw up somewhere.

Edit: I'm around 20% done, I'm fairly slow as I like to triple check everything I write. I should have it done by tomorrow night. I'm capping in at 12:37 with 1267 words.

Edit 2: I don't feel like going off topic so I'll use this post nobody will likely read as an update towards the guide. I've specified 13 main points from both sides of Evil Buu and Pure Buu and explained why none of them work for Pure Buu, given the analogy I provided, "Sometimes people argue when they're clearly in the wrong. Just remember that just because something can spawn a lot of arguments and can seem confusing, doesn't mean it can go either way. It's like saying Freeza on Namek was equal in strength to Perfect Cell (Without the confusing aspect), it just doesn't make sense in the end."

[Fox666]

Also SSJ3 Gotenks >= Evil Boo wouldn't you say?

Actually Evil Boo has always been stronger than Gotenks.

You may remember that part of the plot involving Boo absorbing Gotenks is that he came up with that plan after sensing a Ki stronger than his own from the afterlife that was Gohan.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Super Boo isn't stronger than Gotenks. At the very least, they're equal.

[Nazi Cola]

The problem I foresee with the chart is someone from one side will go "That's totally not what the point of my belief's argument is, you're just distorting it to make us look bad!" in regards to a point against them or something, and then someone from the other side will obviously back up the point being fair. But maybe I'm thinking of other forums too much, and this'll be different.

Anyway, I follow a simple chain:

SSj Vegetto/Gogeta > Gohan-Boo > Gotenks-Boo > Ultimate Gohan > Buff Boo > Piccolo-Boo > Super Boo >/< SSj3 Gotenks > SSj Gotenks (post-RST) > Base Gotenks (post-RST) > SSj Gotenks (pre-RST) ~ SSj3 Goku > Kid Boo > Fat Boo > Skinny Boo > Base Gotenks (pre-RST) ~ Good Boo > SSj2 Goku

The thing that strikes me most odd about Buu arguments is that some fans try to argue even when they've been proven wrong about simple things. If anything it'd have to be purely manga based or the "chart" would takes hours upon hours upon hours because of filler. The perspective argument gets old after awhile with Buu, but I think I'll try and create an article/chart/guide whatever you wanna call it of Buu's forms, how they appear and where they're gauged strength wise for each reason I can possibly fathom and try and prove/disprove which of the two is right and edit it based upon the criticism received; given I'm not perfect like Cell I'll screw up somewhere.

You're only human. Go for it, and we'll see what comes out of it. I'm sure it won't be cringe-worthy or anything of the sort, and will make a lot more sense than some charts I've seen...

[hleV]

Yes but there is no Source for South Kaioshin, only Good Boo. Like I said though, Son Goku stated that "If we go outside like this we will be done in for sure". What do you suppose he means by "like this", I would assume their microscopic stature. I mean they can't blast their way out because it wouldn't work. He would have charged to ssj3 if that were the case but that would just waste energy. Once they are free and go back to normal stature, they start celebrating with relief.

You do realize that Goku tried to shoot a hole in Boo's body and realized that they're actually weaker now only AFTER his speech about being no match for Evil Boo, right? Check the chapter numbers.

Chapter: 506 (DBZ 312), P12.4-5
Context: after Goku and Vegeta revert Boo back to regular evil Boo
Goku: “Hehhe~~eh! With this, Boo’s power should have fallen significantly! We’re almost there! See, see: the size of his ki is completely different than before!”
Vegeta: “Alright! Let’s blast out of here and escape!”
Goku: “Wait! Even though Boo has returned to normal a whole lot, we’re still simply no match for his strength! If we go outside like this, we’ll definitely be done in…!”

Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P4.2-4, P6.3-6
Context: as Goku and Vegeta are attacked by evil Boo
Goku: “Alrii—iight! Come at me if you’re gonna. I’ll open up a huge hole inside your body! *Boo smiles* Wh-what are you smiling about?...Do you think I can’t open one?”
Boo: “It’s no use.”
Goku: “Don’t underestimate me.”
*Goku blasts, not much happens*
Goku: “…”
Vegeta: “…It di-didn’t have any effect…”
Boo: “It stung a little here, that’s all. You guys are now far, far smaller than flees.”
Goku: “…So we’ve got no choice but to defeat you and then search for an exit somewhere.”
Boo: “No, you can’t defeat me. Not the way you guys are now…You’re gonna die, not me…”

I guess this goes to Evil Boo superiority's over Pure Boo favor.

For this topic, there should be gathered all (possibly) valid arguments regarding Evil Boo being stronger than Pure Boo and vice-versa and then see if we're able to deny any of them with other very valid arguments. This would leave less arguments for debate... People trying to prove their silly arguments being worthy would be flamed on by everyone smart until VegettoEX's banhammer is put to use... Yeah, nevermind then.

[dbgtFO]

Buu going from South Kaioshin absorbed to Pure was in fact a decrease in power, that's why Goku gave us this quote:

Vegeta: “……Heh…Heheheh…Look! He’s shrunk down quite a bit!”
Goku: “We did it! This way, we might be able to manage something.”

Sure Vegeta mocked(kinda) him about his size, but in Goku's case he talked about something they accomplished, which means they were now capable of standing a chance as opposed to before. What was Goku talking about when he said "We did it!"? you might ask. And my answer is simple: they succeeded in making Buu weak enough for them to fight without the potara, which they set out to do, when Vegeta broke his.

And the size argument concerning Goku and Vegeta is nothing more than a desperate claim. It's about fusion, it always has been. It really shouldn't be that hard to misunderstand, since that's what they keep talking about; they need fusion/merging to win.

As hleV said above, their sizes having any influence on anything was first pointed out by Super Buu after Goku said they couldn't beat him. Goku didn't even know that his size meant something until it was pointed out to him. Since the whole argument hinges on the claim, that Goku based his statement on his size compared to Super Buu's size, the above completely shoots it down.

[CatouttaHell]

But would you put Pure Boo stronger than the Fat Boo (with Evil still intact), I would as Goku said that he would have beaten him but intended the newer generation to handle things, whereas he had to charge to maximum Ki to take out Pure Boo.

Yeah. Goku is definitely far stronger than that Boo IMO. The fact that he tanked Boo's punch while being caught off guard and that even Piccolo could tell Goku was above Boo both imply a massive gap.

Also SSJ3 Gotenks >= Evil Boo wouldn't you say?

It can be argued both ways. I go for the Gohan > Gotenks >> Evil Boo route since there's implications for that (and I admit because of moderate bias.)

Goten and Trunks both imply Gotenks is very close in power to Gohan and Gotenks definitely had an edge on Evil Boo.

Evil Boo's mouth blast merely causing cosmetic damage to Gotenks, while Gotenks' mouth blast sending Evil Boo crashing down implies at least a slight between them IMO.

[Fox666]

Remembers that Goku also mentioned "If we go outside like this" and Goku was also expecting to return to normal when outside.

Evil Boo's mouth blast merely causing cosmetic damage to Gotenks, while Gotenks' mouth blast sending Evil Boo crashing down implies at least a slight between them IMO.

It looks very much the same for me... Evil Boo didn't took any damage either.

[Sanity's_Theif]

This classical and never ending argument has been going on for god knows how long, and I am interested to round up everyone's opinions on which Boo you ultimately feel is the strongest (Not including the Gohan, Gotenks, and Piccolo absorbed ones).

To me good or bad, I think Pure Boo > Evil Boo for these reasons : When Son Goku and Vegeta were inside Boo's body finding the heroes pods, Son Goku knew that they were no match for Boohan, not to mention Bootenks. Son Goku constantly told Vegeta that they needed fusion to survive. When they finally found the pods that they were kept in, they tore them all out and Evil Boo immediately reverted back to his base state. Vegeta then wanted to blast his way out, but Goku was still paranoid and flat out says : Wait Vegeta, even though Boo's power has decreased dramatically, we are still simply no match for him. If we go outside "like this", we will be done in for sure.
Notice how he says "like this" which he was possibly referring to the microscopic state that they were in which causes their power to not be nearly as strong. When Vegeta threatens Evil boo he starts laughing and asks if he will turn back into the skinny grey boo? or be the fat "good" boo again, either way he would be far weaker than before. So he tears him out and they escape, Once they return to normal size, Son Goku and Vegeta celebrate and cheer that they are back to their original size (which is one of the clues that, SSJ3 Goku could actually handle Evil Boo if he went out at raw power).

Goku then says : Wait Vegeta, why is he getting stronger instead of weaker? NOTE: After Son Goku says that, it is NEVER EVER stated that his power went down and finally weaker. Next, once he reverts to the Original Pure Boo, they laugh at him "based on his size". However Kaioshin is pissing his pants, unlike what he did with Evil Boo. He calls Pure Boo the most "difficult/dangerous/troublesome" depending on which version you read, but he says Difficult in the anime. I know that "dangerous" doesn't necessarily mean stronger, but hey! it sometimes can and it was never stated that dangerous means weaker either, I mean Cell is more dangerous than Freeza right? Even though both wanted to own and destroy the entire universe.
Son Goku and Vegeta start shitting their pants towards Pure Boo's Blast that they ultimately admit that they cannot stop.

Continued on, when they are on Kaioshin's planet, they offer them the earrings, but they refuse and want to fight him as separate beings since Boo doesn't have the heroes absorbed anymore. Kaioshin "Japanese anime-wise", states "what are you doing, you will need those as this is Boo's most difficult/powerful state yet. Even though the Manga doesn't say powerful, there is still enough evidence to support it as Son Goku then states "When I fought the Fat Majin Boo I would have finished him off, however I intended the newer generation to handle things while I was dead". This right here to me proves that Son Goku was actually holding back his raw power until the final moment with Pure Boo. I mean against Boocollo, he said "Gohan would be able to take care of him now", but that could simply mean that Goku still wanted the newer generation like Gohan to finish him as it's not in Son Goku's place to finish him as it's Gohan's fight to handle, not Goku's. He was alive, but his plan was to fuse with Gohan against Bootenks, not Evil Boo. (as I said before, Son Goku's microscopic state inside Boo's body in my opinion restricted much of his power and he didn't know if he would or would not return back to normal size. which is why he stated that Evil Boo would simply own them).

So my conclusion in my power chart since Son Goku could have finished Pure Boo if he did not show off too much is : SSJ3 Goku (Raw Power) > Pure Boo > Gohan > SSJ3 Gotenks >= Evil Boo > SSJ Gotenks > Post ROSAT base Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku (Suppressed) >= Fat Boo > Good Fat Boo. My proof that Son Goku was massively suppressed is that Piccolo asks Goku : If you had "gone all out", do you think that you would have destroyed Majin Boo? and he replies by saying that he was unsure but then says it's ultimately not in his place to finish off Boo, as it's later established that he was stronger than Boo the whole time.

This is the only view that has ever made any sense to me, though I think Goku was just referencing a large energy blast to finish off Pure Boo, I had the idea that Pure Boo was stronger since Goku made a reference to him just toying with Goku IIRC, making Goku and Gohan more equal

[Fox666]

Wait Vegeta, even though Boo's power has decreased dramatically, we are still simply no match for him. If we go outside "like this", we will be done in for sure.
Notice how he says "like this" which he was possibly referring to the microscopic state that they were in which causes their power to not be nearly as strong.

He wasn't, he was expecting to return to normal. When Evil Boo show up inside himself, Goku tells Vegeta that they would be able to win if they could go outside and use the Potara.

Of course Goku asking Vegeta to merge with him to fight Evil Boo is also an indication that he is far stronger than the two of them.

Goku then says : Wait Vegeta, why is he getting stronger instead of weaker? NOTE: After Son Goku says that, it is NEVER EVER stated that his power went down and finally weaker. Next, once he reverts to the Original Pure Boo, they laugh at him "based on his size".

That doesn't means his Ki didn't decreased. They were still confident they could fight Pure Boo, unlike Evil Boo which Goku was avoiding to confront.

However Kaioshin is pissing his pants, unlike what he did with Evil Boo. He calls Pure Boo the most "difficult/dangerous/troublesome" depending on which version you read, but he says Difficult in the anime. I know that "dangerous" doesn't necessarily mean stronger, but hey! it sometimes can and it was never stated that dangerous means weaker either, I mean Cell is more dangerous than Freeza right? Even though both wanted to own and destroy the entire universe.
Son Goku and Vegeta start shitting their pants towards Pure Boo's Blast that they ultimately admit that they cannot stop.

Even if Evil Boo is stronger than everybody, he was only interested in his own satisfaction. They could still persuade Evil Boo no matter what.

Pure Boo on the other hand is completely out of control and destroyed the Earth for no apparent reason. Perhaps he even lacks enough intelligence to change his behavior.

[FNF]

This is the only view that has ever made any sense to me, though I think Goku was just referencing a large energy blast to finish off Pure Boo, I had the idea that Pure Boo was stronger since Goku made a reference to him just toying with Goku IIRC, making Goku and Gohan more equal

The only time Kid Buu toyed with Goku was when he prolonged his regeneration;
Chapter: 510 (DBZ 316), P13.6-7
Context: after one of Goku’s attacks damages Boo
Goku: “That bastard…Even though he can quickly return to normal, he’s playing around by purposefully drawing it out…”

Kid Buu was trying is heart out and Goku taken a kamehameha from him.

It is similar to Piccolo vs 17 imo.
17 was slightly weaker but he had the stamina advantage in the same way Kid Buu did (except he has haxed regeneration abilities as well ).

Evil Buu>Kid Buu is all but stated.
He is leagues above Kid Buu imo.

[Metrite]

This topic comes up so often, do you think there could be some kind of chart listing all the points brought up to support each side? It seems like every time we just go through the same basic conversation.

That would be an endless chart if it were to include every last point people bring up considering the nature of the debate is to make up something to disagree with every last point that is brought up against every last point. lol

I did recently come across a list that summarized many of the main points from both sides from one of the endless topics out there about this. I think it lacks in the "arguments against" part, but I think it does mention most of the main points that always get brought up.

List of the main arguments that Evil Majin Buu is stronger than Pure Majin Buu:
1. When inside Buu, Goku says that Buu is too strong and they would lose if they went out like they were. So he has to be weaker than Evil Majin Buu.
Argument against: Since Goku knew they were inside Buu, he knew they were smaller than normal (though not aware of the extent to which they had truly shrank, since he thought they were still big enough to inflict damage) and he knew that it would be unwise to go out with several unconscious people that rescuing was the whole point of them being in there. So he insisted on fusion because he didn't want to risk facing Buu under as big a handicapped.

2. Goku said he wasn't sure if he could beat Buu when they first fought but figured Goten and Trunks fusing would do and so must be weaker than Buu and Gotenks.
Argument against: Goku could have beaten that Buu but held back and bluffed about it because he wanted to entrust the world to the new generation. And he didn't know exactly how strong whatever Goten and Trunks become would be and so knew it was a gamble but acted confident to inspire them to do their best.

3. When Pure Majin buu first appears, Goku and Vegeta looked puzzled for a second and then Vegeta notes that he shrank quite a bit to which Goku says this looks like something they can handle. This must mean this Buu was weaker than any other because even Vegeta was confident in his ability to take this one on.
Argument against: They couldn't really tell how strong this Buu was from him just standing there and so were underestimating him and so were surprised when he yelled and launched an attack neither of them could stop.

List of the arguments that Pure Majin Buu is stronger than Evil Majin Buu:
1. After Buu changed back to his original form, Kaioushin said, "It was through absorption that his heart changed, which even went so far as to reduce his power... but now it has returned to its original state..." He said that Buu's heart, which had reduced his power, changed back. Whose heart changed back to its original state? Evil Majin Buu. So who had reduced power? Evil Majin Buu. That explains why Evil Majin Buu panicked and said he wouldn't be himself any longer if the other Buu was removed. His many characteristics from his love of food to his ability to interact with others all resulted from his heart changing via absorption, a side effect of that being that he lost power.
Argument against: Since that does not agree with Evil Majin Buu being stronger than Pure Majin Buu, it is better to dismiss Kaioushin's line and make up one's own assumptions about why Buu became stronger or weaker.

2. After Gohan started losing to Majin Buu with Gotenks absorbed, Rou Kaioushin offered his life to Goku to send him back to help. Goku accepted the offer with the impression that he was to go fight Buu himself without fusing. This is shown by the fact that we next see Goku with his fingers to his head saying that he's off. Rou Kaioushin then stops him and states his doubts to which Goku ponders for a moment and then says that if him and Gohan do fusion they could definitely win, which leads to Rou Kaioushin offering the potaras as a better way to fuse. This means that when Goku had his fingers up to his head, he was about to teleport to the battlefield and fight Buu himself without fusion. This shows that Goku was not afraid to fight Evil Majin Buu under normal circumstances. And he had to have thought he was capable of at least achieving something against Majin Buu with Gotenks absorbed, otherwise he should have rejected the offer for revival with the excuse that he could accomplish nothing.
Argument against: Goku was just acting hastily without thought.

3. After the wish to revive everybody, Goku was wondering what plan Vegeta could be thinking of and guesses that he must have revived Gohan and Gotenks to come fight with them. The fact that Goku mentioned both Gohan and Gotenks suggests that the only thing he could think of doing was have everybody gang up on Buu, which would not make sense if Gohan could effortlessly win alone.
Argument against: Goku thought bringing them both would be better because they had both lost before and deserved a chance for payback.

4. Goku was initially against the idea of using the Genki Dama and said that taking a little energy from everybody wouldn't be enough. Vegeta then says that instead of taking a little they'll be taking it down to the threshold. After that Goku and everybody else from Gohan to Piccolo all act like it was the best idea. This must mean that the Genki Dama was a better choice over bringing Gohan. Gohan was also the first person to donate to the Genki Dama and Goku said that it still wouldn't be enough to destroy Buu. This shows that Gohan was not far too much, if any, stronger than Buu, otherwise his energy alone should have been more than enough.
Argument against: Everybody acted like it was a good idea so that Vegeta wouldn't look stupid. And Gohan held back most of his energy because him providing too much would make the people of Earth seem useless.

5.After Buu was beaten, Vegeta insisted in destroying Good Majin Buu because it would be the end of everything if that devastating Buu were to ever appear again. Goku says that he'll keep training so that if this ever does happen again he'll be ready to fight and not lose. Since Goku said it would be himself improving to make sure they don't lose next time, it suggests that none of them were truly capable of beating him individually.
Arguments against: Goku is a glory hog.

6. The big form that Buu turned into which when he absorbed the south Kaioushin was mentioned as being stronger than Evil Majin Buu. Since Kaioushin was so amazed by Gohan's strength that he thought he could do what no Kaioushin could, it shows the saiya-jins were already far stronger than the Kaiouishins were. The big form that Buu took on after absorbing one therefore couldn't be too noticibly stronger than Buu's original form.
Argument against: The south Kaioushin was an exceptional one that was even stronger than Buu, but he never bothered to try pulling the Z sword because he figured that if nobody else could then he may not either. And it had been so long that Kaioushin had forgotten how strong his friend really was.

7. Pure Majin Buu must have been significantly stronger than Gohan, or else Goku should not have cared about Buu being reborn. And he especially should not have had any reason to train the reborn Buu. The nature of the saiya-jin has always been, "The stronger the opponent the better". If Gohan was far stronger than Pure Majin Buu, then Goku could just seek occasional fights from Gohan who was already trained and far stronger. The fact that he chose to leave his family yet again in order to train Uub shows that Goku expects Uub to be the strongest challenger available.
Argument against: Goku doesn't like fighting people stronger than himself and so wanted Uub as an opponent that he knew he could beat.

8. In the final chapter of the Neko Majin manga where Goku appears, Goku claims there is somebody that him, Gohan, Uub, Pan, and Goten can't handle. With a shocked look his feline student says, "Even master, even Uub...?!" That fact that he singles them out suggests they the strongest amongst the people Goku mentioned, which included Gohan. So apparently that suggests Goku and Uub were both stronger than Gohan.
Argument against: Other manga shouldn't be used for clues as to how things were or how things were meant to be because it's not a direct part of DB.

In the end, perhaps it would just be easier to just agree that there is no character stronger than another character, but just agree that they're all just drawings that do anything the imagination of the drawer wishes.

[jjgp1112]

It seems whoever wrote that is largely in favor of Kid Buu>Super Buu. Where did you find that from, anyway?

[dbgtFO]

Using Neko Majin as some kind of proof is just silly, especially when it's Goku after the Buu Arc, who many people have no problem with being stronger than Gohan.

South Kaioshin not being able to significantly increase Buu's power is based on nothing more than fan logic, fact is he did.

I'm going to agree with jjgp1112 here, this definetly gives the impression that it was made by someone who supports Super < Pure.
This is a counter argument, that's supposed to speak the Pure < Super supporters' case:

Argument against: Since that does not agree with Evil Majin Buu being stronger than Pure Majin Buu, it is better to dismiss Kaioushin's line and make up one's own assumptions about why Buu became stronger or weaker.

..yet it comes across as the Pure < Super supporters being biased fanboys, who'd rather make up shit instead of going by the manga.

And while it's true that some people are that biased(this goes for both camps), this guy suggests that making up shit is the only argument against the statement, the Pure < Super supporters use.

In fact that statement he uses as proof of Super < Pure is not proof of Super < Pure. It's proof of Fat < Pure(+ South Kaioshin), because Pure(+ South Kaioshin) is the form that lost power through absorption, while gaining a heart thus becoming Fat Buu.

[jackjack]

Pure Boo > Evil Boo or vice versa?

Goku on evil Boo: “Wait! Even though Boo has returned to normal a whole lot, we’re still simply no match for his strength! If we go outside like this, we’ll definitely be done in…!”

Goku on pure Boo: “If I want to wipe him out, I gotta gather ki for about one minute.”

[dbgtFO]

Yeah, it's really that simple.
The problem with Super < Pure is that it overcomplicates things, because you have to resort to making up a lot of stuff to justify it.
For example Goku's admission of inferiority is attributed to a lot of made up stuff instead of what he actually says.
It's because he was small, it's because he was handicapped it's because yadda yadda yadda.

Why can't it simply be because he's weaker than this form of Buu and needs fusion or merging to win, which is the only thing that's ever said?