Dragonball Vs. Non Dragonball

[SSJkid]

In 39 nano seconds

39 nanoseconds is how long it took to release the amount of energy stated. That has nothing to do with the peak temperatures reached. It's not "39 nanoseconds to release 10,000,000 degrees celsius".

The nanoseconds is the time the bomb produced 1.4% of the energy the Sun produces in the same time, which was 5.4 yottawatt (5,400,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 watt) in 39 nanoseconds (0.000000039 seconds). The millions degrees celsius of a nuclear explosion doesn't last 1 second.

37 nanoseconds of 5.4 yottawatt is nothing compared to sun is generating per seconds.

I think it's worth pointing out that the sun's total energy output per second is mostly to do with how enormous it is. That is, to collect the sun's total energy output, you'd have to completely surround it with a giant hollow sphere to catch that energy. Even if you fell into the sun, it's impossible for you to be exposed to all of that energy at once because you'd be too tiny to intercept much of it. In the end, talking about the energy output itself isn't useful; it's all about the temperature.

Temperature is proportional to the average energy per atom/molecule.

Yet you can still see smoke after the explosion

Because the explosion is so ferocious it creates a vacuum. After the shockwave fades, air rushes back into the void, dragging along smoke from the burning land below. The bomb casing (the only solid object near the fusion, as Tsar Bomba was an air burst) is obliterated, its very atoms ripped apart.

Hell, the itty bitty widdle Trinity bomb annihilated the tower it was sitting on. You are severely underestimating the power of nuclear reactions.

It's not that I'm underestimating it, it's just that you underestimate the exploding planet and Buu's regeneration(burning him won't do any good and you must completely erase every pieces of him to kill him). Even the exploding planet is hotter than the temperature of the sun but I'm not using that argument because some of you will use the argument that Toriyama didn't use any equations even though he knows what a nuclear bomb is. Adjutant Black vaporize a mountain with a missile, what missile is that? Ki missile? Even Cell tanked a barrage of missiles that destroyed the plateau, what was that? Ki missile?

[Rocketman]

Adjutant Black vaporize a mountain with a missile, what missile is that? Ki missile? Even Cell tanked a barrage of missiles that destroyed the plateau, what was that? Ki missile?

Black's missile was never tanked by anyone, and the missiles lobbed at Cell weren't atomic.

[Saiga]

Adjutant Black vaporize a mountain with a missile, what missile is that? Ki missile? Even Cell tanked a barrage of missiles that destroyed the plateau, what was that? Ki missile?

Black's missile was never tanked by anyone, and the missiles lobbed at Cell weren't atomic.

You really think Black's missile would kill one of the Z fighters?

[Rocketman]

You really think Black's missile would kill one of the Z fighters?

If it's atomic, yes. None of the Z fighters could withstand the heat of a nuclear chain reaction.

[Bussani]

The nanoseconds is the time the bomb produced 1.4% of the energy the Sun produces in the same time, which was 5.4 yottawatt (5,400,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 watt) in 39 nanoseconds (0.000000039 seconds).

Like I said, we don't care about that. The sun's energy output per second is high because the sun is radiating energy from every square inch of its surface, and all those square inches add up. If you measured how much energy a small portion of the sun's surface gave off (and by small I mean...like the size of planet Earth) you'd find that it's a lot less. In fact, Earth intercepts less than 0.0000001% of the sun's output per second. That's why we're only really interested in temperatures here.

Temperature is proportional to the average energy per atom/molecule.

Exactly. Citing the total output of the sun is meaningless when that energy is flying off in all directions and not focused on any one cluster of atoms. Funnily enough, the energy of the Tsar Bomba is actually greater than the amount of the sun's energy that touches the Earth per second, so you should be able to see where all the heat comes from. Imagine focusing all of the sun's energy that would have hit the surface of the Earth onto a small point for a second or so.

Also, I don't think it's been mentioned, but the Tsar Bomba was designed to be about twice as powerful as the numbers we're using. It was never detonated at its full potential. Scary thought.

You really think Black's missile would kill one of the Z fighters?

If it's atomic, yes. None of the Z fighters could withstand the heat of a nuclear chain reaction.

I never thought it seemed very atomic, personally. It was more like a very, very powerful conventional bomb--kind of like an N² bomb from Evangelion.

[rereboy]

You really think Black's missile would kill one of the Z fighters?

If it's atomic, yes. None of the Z fighters could withstand the heat of a nuclear chain reaction.

You seem to think that the fighters protect themselves with only their flesh...

Their primary means of defense is Ki.

As proven in the Namek saga by Vegeta and Krillin (when Krillin blasted Vegeta to trigger a Zenkai), if they lower their Ki defenses, even someone or something relatively very weak can destroy them. They are not like Superman who is just that resistant in his skin, flesh and bones.

Nowhere in the series is stated that Ki doesn't also protect from extreme heat or that it can't be used for that purpose.

Freeza survived an exploding planet bigger than Earth that seemed to be engulfed in a sea of lava and heat with little Ki to protect himself with.

Therefore, as long as Ki is able to also protect against heat (and nowhere is stated that it doesn't), the fighters would be able to protect themselves with their Ki agaisnt the forces of an atomic bomb, including its heat. The only question is if their defenses would be able to hold.

Also, the only two villains who were killed by the sun, weren't killed exclusively by the sun. They both received a Ki blast stronger than themselves that severely weakened them. The sun just finished them. And in Coola's case, it didn't even destroy his body completely... There was enough of him left for the plot of the Metal Cooler movie.

[Saiga]

Oh, Rocketman. Goku also uses the sun to power the Spirit Bomb he uses against Lord Slug.

[Wobbuffet]

Oh, Rocketman. Goku also uses the sun to power the Spirit Bomb he uses against Lord Slug.

It is not in the manga.
Also, Goku didn't throw the Sun on him, he got energy from the sun (we don't know how much energy) and used it as ki.

[goku the krump dancer]

Oh, Rocketman. Goku also uses the sun to power the Spirit Bomb he uses against Lord Slug.

It is not in the manga.

But I do believe that Kaioh said that Goku could learn to harness the power of the sun, once he began to teach him the Genki Dama.

[Bussani]

But I do believe that Kaioh said that Goku could learn to harness the power of the sun, once he began to teach him the Genki Dama.

It is, and he does (he doesn't even have to learn it--the sun just has to be out), but remember that the Genki Dama only normally takes a tiny amount of energy from everything. And we're still talking about adding a bit of the sun's energy (genki?) to the attack, not its heat.

You seem to think that the fighters protect themselves with only their flesh...

Their primary means of defense is Ki.

The only question is if their defenses would be able to hold.

I'm sure he knows that. He just doesn't think their defences would hold. There's also the other forms of radiation to consider, but that's a different matter.

[Saiga]

I'm aware that the Spirit Bomb was in the movie, but people had already mentioned movie villains here (the two villains who were pushed into the sun).

[Haji]

You really think Black's missile would kill one of the Z fighters?

If it's atomic, yes. None of the Z fighters could withstand the heat of a nuclear chain reaction.

You seem to think that the fighters protect themselves with only their flesh...

Their primary means of defense is Ki.

As proven in the Namek saga by Vegeta and Krillin (when Krillin blasted Vegeta to trigger a Zenkai), if they lower their Ki defenses, even someone or something relatively very weak can destroy them. They are not like Superman who is just that resistant in his skin, flesh and bones.

Nowhere in the series is stated that Ki doesn't also protect from extreme heat or that it can't be used for that purpose.

Freeza survived an exploding planet bigger than Earth that seemed to be engulfed in a sea of lava and heat with little Ki to protect himself with.

Therefore, as long as Ki is able to also protect against heat (and nowhere is stated that it doesn't), the fighters would be able to protect themselves with their Ki agaisnt the forces of an atomic bomb, including its heat. The only question is if their defenses would be able to hold.

Also, the only two villains who were killed by the sun, weren't killed exclusively by the sun. They both received a Ki blast stronger than themselves that severely weakened them. The sun just finished them. And in Coola's case, it didn't even destroy his body completely... There was enough of him left for the plot of the Metal Cooler movie.

Broli with a power level of 10,000 survived a exploding planet, as a baby. You would think Z-senshi later on in DBZ could survive a atomic bomb or a planet exploding. Anyone here remeber Goku saying that Buu's Ki attack could destroy 10 planets? or something like that. And Yet Vegetto kicked the one from Super Buu away like it was nothing.

[Rocketman]

Freeza survived an exploding planet bigger than Earth that seemed to be engulfed in a sea of lava and heat with little Ki to protect himself with.

Lava barely tops 1000 degrees C.

It's beside my point, but when was it said that Namek as bigger than Earth?


And I keep saying this and nobody seems to acknowledge it. It does not matter that they can blow up a planet with ki, nor that they can block ki attacks that would do that. KI DOES NOT GIVE OFF SIGNIFICANT HEAT.

Just because you can shrug off a punch to the gut does not mean you could tank the flame of a blowtorch.

[mysticboy]

It's not nor the impact of the bomb. It's the radiation.

[CaBrPi]

Not to mention that the force of an atomic bomb explosion is enough to separate molecules into atoms.

[Ringworm128]

Wasn't Four Star Shen Long able to absorb heat? So wouldn't he be able to absorb the heat from the bomb and survive the blast (which is about as strong as Piccolo-Daimao)?

[Saiga]

Wasn't Four Star Shen Long able to absorb heat? So wouldn't he be able to absorb the heat from the bomb and survive the blast (which is about as strong as Piccolo-Daimao)?

What's about as strong as Piccolo-Daimao?

[Ringworm128]

Wasn't Four Star Shen Long able to absorb heat? So wouldn't he be able to absorb the heat from the bomb and survive the blast (which is about as strong as Piccolo-Daimao)?

What's about as strong as Piccolo-Daimao?

Well it is stated somewhere that Piccolo-Daimao is about as strong as a NB.

[Bussani]

when was it said that Namek as bigger than Earth?

I don't think it's ever said. I somehow also got the impression it was when I saw the show for the first time, but I can't explain why.

[mysticboy]

Oh yeah, that's right. Nova (and technically Omega) would gain energy from the heat of a nuke.