Tired of All Saiyans Going SSJ3 & SSJ4?

[Gyt Kaliba]

All I know is if they're going into GT stuff with this Heroes stuff now, and we don't get a Super Saiyan Pan out of the deal, I will nerd rage.

[Rukura]

No, I am not.

14 years ago (give or take), after GT had ended over here, I totally imagined what it would be like to see all the Saiyans getting new transformations. Back then, this would've made me fanboygasm like nobody's business. Yes, it's been played out and saturating. But nobody is forcing these down our throats.

My view on this is that it's not a bad thing, even. These new what-ifs that have already gotten us new manga (albeit not from the man himself) and new animated features. If the time comes where I get tired of all the new transformations, I will still have all the original material to enjoy.

(Now, I just sit back and wait for Super Saiyan Nappa with a mohawk and Raditz Super Saiyan 1-3, with him being bald in the 3rd.)

[Akumaito Beam]

It's pretty dumb! Since Kai I'm kind of just accepting of the fact that we're going to get an endless slew of shit like Vegeta's long lost brother and SSJ Bardock from the past (it's like poetry!) Toei whispered in my ear "Ooooh you tink' da' Boo arc was bad!? You aven't' seen nottin'!" I guess this will at least make the next decade of DBZ silence even more beautiful times...until...

TOEI 3: DRAGONBALL HARDER!

Seriously though I'm just waiting for the poorly written expanded universe novels detailing how Saibaman 4 surrvived and went on to become a famous fighter pilot. Let's run this shit into the ground son!

[DBZAOTA482]

SSJ became a blatant afterthought during the Majin Buu Saga, I mean it took long emotional struggle for Goku, Gohan, Vegeta, and Trunks but to see kids achieve it with little effort made it all seem worthless.

SSJ3+ was also silly looking back at it.

[Kingdom Heartless]

Super Saiyan 3 Raditz:

[Gozar]

To be completely honest, this stuff doesn't bother me. I just view it all as fun what-ifs simply made to keep the fandom alive and further the development of characters that haven't gotten the chance to advance further. Especially a character like Future Trunks who we know absolutely nothing about beyond his killing Cell in his timeline. The fans themselves can make of it what they wish, whether that be to ignore it or try to envision how such events came to be.

[DBZ Mick]

SSJ became a blatant afterthought during the Majin Buu Saga, I mean it took long emotional struggle for Goku, Gohan, Vegeta, and Trunks but to see kids achieve it with little effort made it all seem worthless.

SSJ3+ was also silly looking back at it.

Gohan didn't really have any sort of emotional struggle to become SSJ (manga wise anyway) same with Trunks. Although watching the Trunks TV special was much more satisfiying. Same with the anime with Gohan.

I quite liked SSJ3.

[Michsi]

I always had the impression that the extremly far-out design of the SSJ 3 form was the author's way of subtly hinting towards how ridiculous things had gotten with power-ups and that there should be a limit to these transformations.

[Saiga]

I always had the impression that the extremly far-out design of the SSJ 3 form was the author's way of subtly hinting towards how ridiculous things had gotten with power-ups and that there should be a limit to these transformations.

If he felt there should have been a limit he wouldn't have introduced SS3 in the first place.

[Michsi]

I always had the impression that the extremly far-out design of the SSJ 3 form was the author's way of subtly hinting towards how ridiculous things had gotten with power-ups and that there should be a limit to these transformations.

If he felt there should have been a limit he wouldn't have introduced SS3 in the first place.

I'm saying SSJ3 was the limit, because of the way it looks. SSJ 1 and SSJ2 aren't really that different design wise and there isn't really anything jarring about the SSJ2 form . SSJ3 however looks strange and maybe even a bit freaky.
As if saying :"Would you really want to see what could be beyonf this?

[SylentEcho]

Seriously though I'm just waiting for the poorly written expanded universe novels detailing how Saibaman 4 surrvived and went on to become a famous fighter pilot. Let's run this shit into the ground son!

HAHAHHAHA! This made me laugh so hard.

@Kingdom Heartless that pic you posted cracked me up too.

I'm saying SSJ3 was the limit, because of the way it looks. SSJ 1 and SSJ2 aren't really that different design wise and there isn't really anything jarring about the SSJ2 form . SSJ3 however looks strange and maybe even a bit freaky.
As if saying :"Would you really want to see what could be beyonf this?

I don't think he was going for that. Toriyama usually breaks the fourth wall when he tries something like that. He's never subtle like that.

Why take them so seriously? There are only 2 SSJ3 in the series, the ones in the video games are "what-ifs", how would they look like if they were SSJ3. But they aren't, and will never be in the story. As for the fanficts, don't take them seriously too. They are just fanficts, they don't affect the official franchise in any way.

I agree. This is exactly what I think about them. They're nothing more than "what-ifs" to be enjoyed only for gameplay purposes. I'd really love to play that game using SSJ3 Trunks, but I'd hate to see a new movie with SSJ3 Bardock or Trunks.

[JulieYBM]

It doesn't bother me at all. Why should I get pissy about new transformations when it didn't bother me in the comic or in movies, specials, games, and other official products? Why should it bother me seventeen years after the comic ended? Why should I act like it's some un-holy occurance when it happened all the time in the past and would obviously continue into the future?

[kei17]

I don't care what they do on Dragon Ball Heroes or other video games, but I kind of despise Shueisha and Bandai Namco for not having any ideas other than AF-like puerile shit that anyone can come up with.

[Krakabeast]

Trunks(any version) is one of my all-time favorite characters, but I will never accept him reaching SSJ3. Why has it been so hard, after an end of the series, to keep a legend, a legend?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Why has it been so hard, after an end of the series, to keep a legend, a legend?

Because it was a crappy legend that ended up being thrown to the side almost immediately after it was fulfilled in the series itself?

IMO, these guys aren't doing anything wrong by giving characters new transformations, it's the same thing Toriyama would have likely done if he'd continued the series. Another major threat? Give the side characters transformations from the previous arc so they are relevant. Invent a new transformation or form of merging to defeat the threat....or at least stall it for a Genki Dama. =P

[Krakabeast]

Why has it been so hard, after an end of the series, to keep a legend, a legend?

Because it was a crappy legend that ended up being thrown to the side almost immediately after it was fulfilled in the series itself?

IMO, these guys aren't doing anything wrong by giving characters new transformations, it's the same thing Toriyama would have likely done if he'd continued the series. Another major threat? Give the side characters transformations from the previous arc so they are relevant. Invent a new transformation or form of merging to defeat the threat....or at least stall it for a Genki Dama. =P

There was nothing wrong with its premise up until the point when everyone's cat and dog achieved it.

I don't believe Toriyama would have drawn new transformations as a gimmick if he'd continue the series, and I would LOVE to see what else he'd bring to the table, but these companies, and game developers take very little time to make new skins. Then all the kids go "Ooooooo! Ahhhhh! I won't die before I play as SSJ3 Broly or SSJ3 Vegeta, even though there's absolutely nothing different about them except their longer hair!" There's a sucker born every day.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

The legend was built up to hype Goku's transformation. He was suppose to become the sole warrior that appears once every 1,000 years and boasts the greatest power in all the universe...yet a couple of nuclear trashcans from a backwods planet outclass not only that sole warrior of legend, but the the two others that defied the myth and appeared alongside him. Yeah, the legends premise was fine in the Freeza Arc, where ii originated, but it became shit the moment Trunks appeared and proved it false.

It would have happened with a Toriyama continuation, because it DID happen over and over again already. Goku obtained Super Saiyan and defeated Freeza. Jinzoningen are introduced and all the Saiyans get Super Saiyan, Gohan obtains Super Saiyan 2 to defeat Cell. Buu is introduced and all the Saiyans once again have Super Saiyan, the adults all have Super Saiyan 2 and Goku debuts Super Saiyan 3...and then in that same arc Gotenks gains SS3. Had Toriyama continued the series for another arc, you can almost bet that all the characters would have at least been bumped up one (maybe two) transformation slot from what they had at the Buu Arc, assuming they hadn't already achieved them all like Goku. The next arc probably would have ended up looking like this at minimum: Ultimate Gohan, SS3 Goku, SS3 Vegeta, SS3 Gotenks, SS2 Trunks, SS2 Goten, SS Pan and SS Bra.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Trunks(any version) is one of my all-time favorite characters, but I will never accept him reaching SSJ3.

I think you are missing the point. The games don't show us that Trunks (and every other one) have became SSJ3, but how would he look like if he were a SSJ3.

[VegettoEX]

Well, they certainly turn SSJ3 in the continuity of the game itself (being Dragon Ball Heroes, and Dragon Battlers for Vegeta & Broli), since you're able to play as them and have them on your team.

Are you expected to, as I've described before, suddenly accept that "this is supposed to fit in with the original manga, and are we expected to accept it as always having been this way, despite it being shoehorned in so many years later"...? Well, that's up to you.

There's no such thing as "this happened" for a concrete statement with this franchise unless you add some sort of clarification/classification afterward ("... in the manga" or "... in Video Game A but not in Video Game B").

[JulieYBM]

Are you expected to, as I've described before, suddenly accept that "this is supposed to fit in with the original manga, and are we expected to accept it as always having been this way, despite it being shoehorned in so many years later"...? Well, that's up to you.

I don't think anyone should think we're being asked that question, at least in the case of how Dragon Ball has been handled. We were not asked to pretend Hacchihyakku was in the comic years ago and we're not being asked to pretend Vegeta ever showed proof of being a Super Saiyan 3 in the comic. This is where I think a lot of people get tripped up when trying to juggle some sense of 'canon' for a franchise, espicially a Japanese one where Japan simply doesn't give a flying pig about strict 'continuity'. We'd all be better off if we just everyone recognized that every official product is equal and always has been.

There's no such thing as "this happened" for a concrete statement with this franchise unless you add some sort of clarification/classification afterward ("... in the manga" or "... in Video Game A but not in Video Game B").

This applies to just about any franchise as it is, so it bugs me to no end that people begin to act as if Official Product A is more important than Official Product B to the point it overrides B's existence or some such. "...in Official Product X" is by far the most stress-free stance to take on the subject, but I suppose asking people on the internet to remove personal feelings from considering the facts is impossible.