Do you think it would have been cooler to have Majin Piccolo

[SparkyPantsMcGee]

I'm surprised no one linked the TC to this:
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/intended-end/majin-buu/
it is on this site after all.

Toriyama intended Vegeta to be Majin because he is the only character that made sense. It would be such a major devolution of Piccolo's character if he was hit with the Majin spell. Yes, he was once evil, at the end of Dragonball, but he experienced so much character growth at this point(228 episodes worth) that it would just be terrible writing at that point; especially when you had someone like Vegeta still teetering on the line of good and evil.

[Michsi]

If there was no Boo arc, their conflict practically would've been resolved with his death in the Cell arc. Even with all his training, Vegeta still failed to surpass Gokuu, who later died and his chance for a rematch was destroyed.

Not to mention that his last line in that arc was that he would never fight again.

[Piccolo Daimao]

If there was no Boo arc, their conflict practically would've been resolved with his death in the Cell arc. Even with all his training, Vegeta still failed to surpass Gokuu, who later died and his chance for a rematch was destroyed.

Not to mention that his last line in that arc was that he would never fight again.

Yeah, although that was later basically revealed to be him throwing a strop, and if you count DBZ Movie #9 as anime canon, his fight with Bojack was what revived his passion for battle.

Personally, I never expected Vegeta to seriously throw in the towel just because Gokuu died. He's a Saiyan, it's in his blood to fight, so it'd be very out-of-character for him to just completely give up like that.

[Michsi]

Personally, I never expected Vegeta to seriously throw in the towel just because Gokuu died. He's a Saiyan, it's in his blood to fight, so it'd be very out-of-character for him to just completely give up like that.

Agreed that it seemed a bit drastic without the proper build up, but had the story ended then, that would be the last thing we would know regarding this character. The author attempted to redeem Vegeta in the Cell Saga too, with his rage at Trunks death, appologizing to Gohan and helping him defeat Cell. It wouldn't be as defenite and as memorable as what we get with him in the Buu Saga but we would still be left with the feeling he had changed for the better.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Personally, I never expected Vegeta to seriously throw in the towel just because Gokuu died. He's a Saiyan, it's in his blood to fight, so it'd be very out-of-character for him to just completely give up like that.

Agreed that it seemed a bit drastic without the proper build up, but had the story ended then, that would be the last thing we would know regarding this character. The author attempted to redeem Vegeta in the Cell Saga too, with his rage at Trunks death, appologizing to Gohan and helping him defeat Cell. It wouldn't be as defenite and as memorable as what we get with him in the Buu Saga but we would still be left with the feeling he had changed for the better.

Maybe, but that'd be pretty tragic for the character. All we'd know of Vegeta is that he's lost his chance of a rematch and pretty much declines into self-pitying depression that's completely opposite of what we know from the battle-hungry Prince of the Saiyans. Vegeta's slight character development in the Cell arc was only a drop in the bucket compared to what we saw in the Boo arc.

[Goten Forever]

*looks at title*

No.



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Okay, I'll explain why not. There was nothing really left to develop on Piccolo, who had discovered friendship by this point and was no longer evil and didn't care to be evil since he didn't have TOO much pride. Oh, and also, he had Kami inside him.

Vegeta needed some sort of closure so this is what toriyama offered. A final last stand of evil from the Prince of Saiyans, who, it had turned out, had not quenched his thirst for domination over Kakarot by killing the man. I reckon that when Piccolo killed goku in the Saiyan saga something happened - like what would happen if the Androids killed Goku. He lost his drive after Vegeta and Frieza were defeated/killed respectively.

[Aoi]

If there was no Boo arc, their conflict practically would've been resolved with his death in the Cell arc. Even with all his training, Vegeta still failed to surpass Gokuu, who later died and his chance for a rematch was destroyed.

Not to mention that his last line in that arc was that he would never fight again.

Yeah, although that was later basically revealed to be him throwing a strop, and if you count DBZ Movie #9 as anime canon, his fight with Bojack was what revived his passion for battle.

Personally, I never expected Vegeta to seriously throw in the towel just because Gokuu died. He's a Saiyan, it's in his blood to fight, so it'd be very out-of-character for him to just completely give up like that.

Movie 9 has to be the series' best written film. It actually links the last two major arcs extremely well and takes very reasonable liberties with the characters for once.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I reckon that when Piccolo killed goku in the Saiyan saga something happened - like what would happen if the Androids killed Goku. He lost his drive after Vegeta and Frieza were defeated/killed respectively.

I think it was more because of his relationship with Gohan, which in turn developed into a relationship with Gokuu, especially in the Freeza arc, where he rescued him from being killed by Freeza. Piccolo told Gohan that when they defeated the Saiyans, he intended to fight him again, since he knew that he'd be revived with the DBs.

Movie 9 has to be the series' best written film. It actually links the last two major arcs extremely well and takes very reasonable liberties with the characters for once.

None of the movies really have that great writing, since it's basically just an excuse for the Z-Warriors to clash fists with some random evil alien until a Deus Ex Machina happens. But I'd be inclined to agree with you. Second is probably DBZ Movie #8 - yes, I'm being serious about this - because of the way it built up the mystery around the Legendary Super Saiyan, and how Broli as a character himself was genuinely interesting. You know, if you ignore his de-evolution in the sequels.

Third is DBZ Movie #13, due to the comparatively heavy focus on plot (no fodder henchmen this time, which thankfully stopped once DBZ Movie #10 came around, and even Hildegarn's top and bottom halves aren't even consistently present the whole time until the third act, after they escape from Tapion and merge), as well as the brotherly relationship between Trunks and Tapion, something which was never really touched upon before in the series (it also kind of made me appreciate kid Trunks more, as well as Goten, which I've detailed in another thread).

[SparkyPantsMcGee]

I reckon that when Piccolo killed goku in the Saiyan saga something happened - like what would happen if the Androids killed Goku. He lost his drive after Vegeta and Frieza were defeated/killed respectively.

I think it was more because of his relationship with Gohan, which in turn developed into a relationship with Gokuu, especially in the Freeza arc, where he rescued him from being killed by Freeza.

It's funny you bring that up actually because that sequence of events plays out differently in the manga. In the comic version, Freeza's target was in fact Piccolo, he gets hit and bumps into Goku. In the anime, I guess to make it more Dramatic, Piccolo "takes a bullet" for Goku. I'm having a hard time finding it on the new site, but I remember VegettoEX wrote something about it.

However, that doesn't really kill your point. Goku and Piccolo's relationship drastically changed because of Gohan. Though I'd argue they really started to bond during the 3 years of training before the Androids arrived. By that point Piccolos role had already changed; between the Sayians and Freeza it was clear he was done being evil, however he never really was Goku's buddy. I think watching Goku fight on Namek(which being Piccolo's home planet didn't hurt...), the whole Super Saiyan thing, and that three years of training really solidify the bond between the two of them. Even if you don't really get to see it.

[digireign]

Like Akria Toriyama originally planned? He was going to have Piccolo come under control which would boost his power and have Goku fight him again like old times, but the editors thought Vegeta would be better. What would you rather have had? I think it would have been pretty interesting to have Piccolo vs Goku at that point, and too see Piccolo become evil again.

What if we had a Majin Gohan? Surely he must of been somewhat pissed that his Father practically abandoned them for 7 years and missing out on Goten's birth and growth.

Majin Kuririn would be interesting, reviving him and Goku's original rivalry from Master Roshi's training times lol

Majin Tenshinhan would have been bitching!

How far can we go? Majin Yamucha! Bear with me on this one...

Majin Bear Thief

Majin Farmer with Shotgun!

Drunker Rory <3's this thread xx

[dragondyle]

Besides, we already had Piccolo become evil again while brainwashed in Movie 2. Not much came out of that, no Majin Piccolo wouldn't be that interesting.

[OzzyApu]

list of descending Majins
and
http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o54 ... _pilaf.jpg

The first true enemy.

[ChahikoDBZ]

Majin Farmer with Shotgun!

What if we had a Majin Gohan? Surely he must of been somewhat pissed that his Father practically abandoned them for 7 years and missing out on Goten's birth and growth.

You just made my day. I just fell out of my seat laughing.

Piccolo should able to break out of it due to him fused with Kami and Nail.

I would have to agree on that. I still think Majin Vegeta would have been best suited for the role. He's been hungry for a fight with Goku ever since his life was spared.

However...

Majin Raditz and as a Super Saiyan.

I always thought as the brother of Goku, Raditz should have served a wider role in the series. If this had been the part of the plot for the Majin Buu arc, eventually maybe Raditz would have came back to his senses and the spell would be broken somehow and therefore he joins up with Goku and the others to destroy Majin Buu.

[MCDaveG]

Majin Chi-chi, the ultimate adversary!

[DBZAOTA482]

Majin Chi-chi, the ultimate adversary!

But doesn't it only effect those with evil within them...doesn't it?

[OzzyApu]

Majin Chi-chi, the ultimate adversary!

But doesn't it only effect those with evil within them...doesn't it?

Quite sure she has some evil in her. Only proof I have right now is when she talked about beating up Satan and stealing the prize money. She isn't Boo-retarded, so she'd know why she isn't supposed to do that.

[dprez]

Majin Vegeta was perfect. Piccolo's evil days were behind him, and it would've been weird for him to become evil again and somehow challenge Boo or the Ssj2's. Like it was said before, it would offer some interesting interactions with Goku and especially Gohan, but that's about it. Vegeta was the perfect candidate to go Majin. Probably the best written part of the Boo saga was Vegeta becoming evil again, challenging Goku, which in turn resurrected Boo and led to his own demise, and then later finally accepting that Kakaratto was and always has been the better fighter.

[DBZAOTA482]

Majin Chi-chi, the ultimate adversary!

But doesn't it only effect those with evil within them...doesn't it?

Quite sure she has some evil in her. Only proof I have right now is when she talked about beating up Satan and stealing the prize money. She isn't Boo-retarded, so she'd know why she isn't supposed to do that.

I don't know... the money part I get but Satan stole credit for her son and husband's hard-work (the latter died trying) while denouncing them.

Ironically people say she became nicer by the Boo Saga. If anything she's kind of meaner given the way she treats Goten.

[Nex Carnifex]

Majin Vegeta was perfect. Piccolo's evil days were behind him, and it would've been weird for him to become evil again and somehow challenge Boo or the Ssj2's. Like it was said before, it would offer some interesting interactions with Goku and especially Gohan, but that's about it. Vegeta was the perfect candidate to go Majin. Probably the best written part of the Boo saga was Vegeta becoming evil again, challenging Goku, which in turn resurrected Boo and led to his own demise, and then later finally accepting that Kakaratto was and always has been the better fighter.

Yeah but Piccolo would have been more unexpected, and would bring back something that really never saw an end while Vegeta wouldn't have needed an evil reawakening to have an all out fight with Goku which they could have done at the end of the series. Either way both ideas would have been interesting.