Has Kanzenshuu (Daizenshuu EX) Ruined Other Forums For You?

[Ringworm128]

I love this forum though sometimes I do find it too conservative...

I agree, there is a forum that I go on that has mods that are reasonable so if there's a forum fight they know what to do. I don't know if there is a grammar rule but if there is then it's not too strict but it doesn't matter because every post makes sense even if they leave out minor things like a full stop, they have an off topic section and they don't have the whole "it has to ad to the conversation thing" and the forum is fine, it has interesting users, nice moderators, the topics stay on topic with the occasional joke/joker to lighten things up. And they allow big avatars picture sigs etc ad which ads a bit of personality to every thing and it never get's in the way of conversation. I have to say after being on that forum it has kinda ruined THIS forum for me, when I post on that forum I actually feel like I'm part of a conversation and every thing seems relaxed. When I post on here I feel like I'm a student in a classroom reading out his book report while the teacher glares at me. If it wasn't for all the great and knowledgeable users on here and all the awesome content on the main site I probably wouldn't pay much attention to this forum.

Yup, we hold people to a higher standard of discourse than any comparable forum. I'm proud of that. I'm glad that people fell compelled to make sure what they're posting is relevant, intelligent, and grammatically correct. If you feel embarrassed by your posts, there's probably something wrong with them.

I'm glad that we have strict rules for keeping avatars small and signatures short and text-only. If you can't put any personality into your posts without image-macro-jokes, 300px wide avatars, and huge signature images; then you don't have a personality. Your post here reveals a lot of your personality, in fact.

I can understand your frustration with the academic tone of the forum if you're expecting a more casual atmosphere, but because the forum is based (mechanically) on single topic conversations, the tone naturally becomes more and more academic. This doesn't mean you can't keep things light and make the occasional joke, though. In fact, it's incredibly common for a post to be clever, humorous, and personable - but the post then also continues on-topic. If you're posting with just a joke, you're not on topic; and you have to be on topic to be part of the conversation. That isn't a forum rule, that's just how conversations work. If everyone else is talking about the likelihood of a renewed Blu-Ray release and you interject with "the discs are inert", you aren't part of the conversation, you're interrupting those that are.

I agree with you for the most part but my point is that a forum doesn't have to be the forum equivalent to a 19th century catholic boarding school in order to keep keep discussion going. If you pulled back the rules a bit the whole forum wont turn into "Lollol111!!!its OVA 9000 AND DA BLS R INURT LOLOOOLLOLLOL". And I have to disagree with your statement on big avatars and sigs it actually does show what kind of person they are on top of what they post if a person has a tiny avatar with no sig then it makes it obvious that their very modest and if they have a big avatar with lots of color then they are usually a fun person or someone annoying. What's really the point of having a sig when all you can really use is post that you thought was funny or some quot from someone or some movie. And avatars and sigs are only a problem when they are a large rectangle shape or something like that which causes a glitch (can't think of a better word) making all the text and what not get pushed to the side and other things like that. If somebody forgets to put a full stop at the end of a sentence how does that take away from the topic?

[desirecampbell]

I agree with you for the most part but my point is that a forum doesn't have to be the forum equivalent to a 19th century catholic boarding school in order to keep keep discussion going. If you pulled back the rules a bit the whole forum wont turn into "Lollol111!!!its OVA 9000 AND DA BLS R INURT LOLOOOLLOLLOL". And I have to disagree with your statement on big avatars and sigs it actually does show what kind of person they are on top of what they post if a person has a tiny avatar with no sig then it makes it obvious that their very modest and if they have a big avatar with lots of color then they are usually a fun person or someone annoying. What's really the point of having a sig when all you can really use is post that you thought was funny or some quot from someone or some movie. And avatars and sigs are only a problem when they are a large rectangle shape or something like that which causes a glitch (can't think of a better word) making all the text and what not get pushed to the side and other things like that. If somebody forgets to put a full stop at the end of a sentence how does that take away from the topic?

There are two reasons we want to restrict avatars and signatures: first, to keep bandwidth as low as possible for users who are limited in that respect; and two, to focus on the content of the conversation.
- "big avatars and sigs... actually [do] show what kind of person they are"
I agree. Any user who feels they need a big flashy signature must feel their posts aren't very good; we want substance over style.

- "If somebody forgets to put a full stop at the end of a sentence how does that take away from the topic?"
Improper grammar is, at best, distracting; and at worst, confusing. Your post, for example, could use a lot more punctuation.

[Ringworm128]

There are two reasons we want to restrict avatars and signatures: first, to keep bandwidth as low as possible for users who are limited in that respect; and two, to focus on the content of the conversation.
- "big avatars and sigs... actually [do] show what kind of person they are"
I agree. Any user who feels they need a big flashy signature must feel their posts aren't very good; we want substance over style.

- "If somebody forgets to put a full stop at the end of a sentence how does that take away from the topic?"
Improper grammar is, at best, distracting; and at worst, confusing. Your post, for example, could use a lot more punctuation.

Just because somebody has a "flashy" signature doesn't mean they don't think their posts are interesting. As I said, style doesn't take away from substance if anything it ads to it, the other main forum I go on has just as much substance as this one if not more. And I fail to see your point about how slightly off grammar can be confusing. You were able to reply to the post I made meaning you could fully understand what I was saying. I could see your point if i pohstd leik dis roFlmaocopter lol.

[desirecampbell]

As I said, style doesn't take away from substance if anything it ads to it

Content can benefit from style - but forum signatures and avatars are notorious for not doing that. But most importantly, it forces the users to put more work into their posts.

the other main forum I go on has just as much substance as this one if not more. And I fail to see your point about how slightly off grammar can be confusing. You were able to reply to the post I made meaning you could fully understand what I was saying. I could see your point if i pohstd leik dis roFlmaocopter lol.

Actually, your post was not as clear as it could have been. The biggest issue is your punctuation and paragraph separation; not impossible to read, but takes longer than if it was properly constructed.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Considering that grammar and spelling aren't taught in schools as much as they once were, I don't think Daizex's rules are too strict. They expect you to know things like the difference between "you're" and "your", and I suppose that's fair. When I signed up, though, I didn't think they would actually edit the posts of anyone who confused the two, even by accident, instead of just letting him know. It doesn't affect me because, as an aspiring journalist, I proofread my writing. But there are some, much younger than I am, who just want to chat about DBZ and who don't care very much about the difference between demonstrative and relative pronouns. They reason that, as long as they can be understood, the placement of apostrophes isn't hugely important.


However, on the whole, I like the rules. As someone pointed out, they do add a touch of class (though not too much as DBZ is a children's show after all). In most cases, I am pleased to write, posts are edited to ensure that they are legible or can be read without much difficulty. So I give the Daizex team a hearty pat on the back for that.

[TripleRach]

I agree with you for the most part but my point is that a forum doesn't have to be the forum equivalent to a 19th century catholic boarding school in order to keep keep discussion going. If you pulled back the rules a bit the whole forum wont turn into "Lollol111!!!its OVA 9000 AND DA BLS R INURT LOLOOOLLOLLOL".

I don't know how much you're exaggerating here, but while we do try to run a tight ship, I really don't think we're all that strict. The rules basically boil down to "Don't be rude, don't be obnoxious, and put some effort into your posts." We don't exactly correct every single typo or minor error, as long as a post is mostly readable and the person at least appears to be trying. Nor do we scream at people every time they make a joke or talk about another TV show or something.

Considering that grammar and spelling aren't taught in schools as much as they once were, I don't think Daizex's rules are too strict.

Really? I guess I'm part of the older crowd, but it hasn't been that long since I was in school, and English/language arts was always one of the main subjects. I know I started learning the basics in 1st grade (at a low class American public school), so I often call BS on native speaking teenagers who claim they're too young to know how to use simple punctuation and capital letters. But now I wonder if things really have changed that much in the past decade or two.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Really? I guess I'm part of the older crowd, but it hasn't been that long since I was in school, and English/language arts was always one of the main subjects. I know I started learning the basics in 1st grade (at a low class American public school), so I often call BS on native speaking teenagers who claim they're too young to know how to use simple punctuation and capital letters. But now I wonder if things really have changed that much in the past decade or two.

Grammar and spelling are still taught in schools. I think it's unreasonable to suppose that they will ever cease to be. However, in general, less time is spent on them in the classroom than, say, 50 years ago. Although there may be some schools around the world that are conservative in this respect.


Spelling is something that really can't be taught beyond a few deceptively simple rules. The spellings of most words have to be learnt on their own. For example, the spelling of the word "lake" can be deduced from the spelling of the word "take", but what about the spelling of the word "comb" from "home"? As I'm sure you know, there are countless others. A good way to determine whether a child reads at home is to ask him how to spell certain words. Basically, nothing much has changed here.


Grammar is an entirely different beast. Like spelling, it's still taught in schools (I remember being shown the difference between "a" and "an"). But in nowhere near as much detail. It's now more about what you say than how you say it. Whereas students 50 years ago students were taught how to correctly embed subordinate clauses in sentences, some now struggle with the difference between "she" and "her", saying things like "her and I went to the shops". According to some people, this is one of the great follies of the current education system and should be set right to save the English tongue from heinous misuse.


I think things are all right as they are. Like me, if the student has an interest has in language and the complexities of grammar, he'll start reading more and more and inevitably discover them on his own. The absolute basics aside, I think other things in this day and age are more important for the student to learn.

[TripleRach]

Grammar and spelling are still taught in schools. I think it's unreasonable to suppose that they will ever cease to be. However, in general, less time is spent on them in the classroom than, say, 50 years ago. Although there may be some schools around the world that are conservative in this respect.

I wasn't assuming they weren't taught at all. You just made it sound like there was much less focus on it nowadays, and it made me wonder how much might have changed since I was a kid, because I know it was a major portion of the curriculum 20 years ago.

[Gaffer Tape]

Yeah, that does sound weird, especially the part about being left to deduce the spellings of words. Again, American public schools within the last twenty years, but we were never left to our own devices in that regards. Every week, through probably 7th or 8th grade, we were given a list of words that we had to memorize and duplicate on a spelling test. That's how we were taught, not learning the rules and pushed out of the airplane, so to speak.

[VegettoEX]

I originally took the underlying screen shot almost exactly two years ago. I have no idea where it's from anymore. But it doesn't matter.

[Attitudefan]

I like the layout. I find that even if you make a joke that is slightly offensive, you will get a warning. That's the only thing I meant by conservative.

Lighten up "Kanshuu!"

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

I wasn't assuming they weren't taught at all. You just made it sound like there was much less focus on it nowadays, and it made me wonder how much might have changed since I was a kid, because I know it was a major portion of the curriculum 20 years ago.

Actually, I did mean that there is much less focus on grammar and spelling nowadays. I was obviously generalising, as it varies from country to country and from state to state, but there has been an overall lessening in the importance put on them in recent years. So, yeah, things have changed.

Yeah, that does sound weird, especially the part about being left to deduce the spellings of words. Again, American public schools within the last twenty years, but we were never left to our own devices in that regards. Every week, through probably 7th or 8th grade, we were given a list of words that we had to memorize and duplicate on a spelling test. That's how we were taught, not learning the rules and pushed out of the airplane, so to speak.

I probably didn't make myself very clear, but I was saying that, unlike prescriptive grammar, which was taught rigorously in the 1950s, there really aren't any "rules" that help the student work out the right way to spell a word. Thus, the correct spellings of words can be learnt by rote, as you did, or by observing them in their natural habitat: books. Students who don't read or who don't do their homework are left to deduce the spellings of certain words, which is often quite hard. My main point was that relatively little has change here because English spelling is such an unruly little bugger.


Again, I apologize for perhaps not explaining myself as well as I should've. I made my previous post rather late at night. My workload has been pilling up, which has limited the amount of time I can spend on the internet, Daizex being a small part of that.

[orangebrick94]

Kanzenshuu has definately ruined many forums for me lol.The difference between here and many other related Forums is that everyone on Kanzenshuu realy loves DragonBall and appreciate's it.The only problem I have with the forum is the spelling correction, its kinda embarrassing.

[samuraix123]

Kanzenshuu has definately ruined many forums for me lol.The difference between here and many other related Forums is that everyone on Kanzenshuu realy loves DragonBall and appreciate's it.The only problem I have with the forum is the spelling correction, its kinda embarrassing.

True sometimes it can be embarrassing but it has helped me a-lot! A couple of members here have helped me out with spelling mistakes. and I thank them for it. I'd rather have someone help me correct the mistakes I make as to them letting me remain ignorant about them.

[Hellspawn28]

This forums has less flame wars which I like about it the most. This forum does not have people fighting each other over childish stuff like freakin' toys. People on this forum are more relax and much mature compare to sites like IMDB for example.

[Son Geeko]

Ringworm128, I definitely agree with everything you said. Glad I'm not the only one here who thinks that way.

I originally took the underlying screen shot almost exactly two years ago. I have no idea where it's from anymore. But it doesn't matter.

You CAN allow limitations to how a signature image's size can be here, if the only reason on why you won't allow signature images is because of size issues, than I think you take too much bad examples from bad forums as to why you wouldn't allow this. I know a good forum that allows image signatures, but has a "475 x 150" size limit. Which isn't exactly large enough to take a huge amount of the screen.

For this forum, something like "380 x 130" or "245 x 120" would the perfect size limit IMO.

[Bussani]

If this forum ever did start allowing images in the signatures, I'd hope there'd be a way to turn them off in our control panels. I'd rather not see them, frankly.

[Attitudefan]

If this forum ever did start allowing images in the signatures, I'd hope there'd be a way to turn them off in our control panels. I'd rather not see them, frankly.

Same. I hate images in the sig.

[ChahikoDBZ]

If this forum ever did start allowing images in the signatures, I'd hope there'd be a way to turn them off in our control panels. I'd rather not see them, frankly.

Hopefully this forum will keep signatures text-based.

[Hellspawn28]

If this forum ever did start allowing images in the signatures, I'd hope there'd be a way to turn them off in our control panels. I'd rather not see them, frankly.

I'm pretty sure that can work since you can do that on other forums like Toho Kingdom and TGTWG for example. It seems like Kanzenshuu has a good rep across the web and it seems like the OBD likes us.

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