How strong is King Cold really?

[VegettoEX]

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[FNF]

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To be honest, I have explained it one too many times. He knows fine well what I think from other topics. It's quite frankly pointless trying to explain it to him again.

[MewtwoZX]

Someone explain why this thread went onto Goku SSJ3 vs U. Gohan vs Gotenks SSJ3 again? Wasn't it supposed to be about King Cold?

[Piccolo Daimao]

The most we know is that King Cold's weaker than Freeza, but he probably still would've been defeated by Trunks regardless of whether or not he used his full power, if the form he was shown in wasn't it.

I (along with Kaboom, last time I saw his BP list) have his full power at 100 million. I'd say he's stronger than both Androids #19 and #20 (but let's not get into an argument about their powers) before they absorb Gokuu and Piccolo's respective energies.

[FNF]

I see King Cold around 50% Freeza's level. Gohan appeared to be the only one who knew that Freeza could get stronger than what he was showing when he arrived on Earth which leads me to believe he was at 50% since he was the only one that felt Freeza's Ki go beyond 50% (Gohan: “To top it off, it looks like Freeza’s ki is getting bigger again…! What’s happening!?”) and King Cold is said to be around that level. Maybe King Cold could get a bit more powerful but I could see his absolute maximum being 100 million.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I see King Cold around 50% Freeza's level. Gohan appeared to be the only one who knew that Freeza could get stronger than what he was showing when he arrived on Earth which leads me to believe he was at 50% since he was the only one that felt Freeza's Ki go beyond 50% (Gohan: “To top it off, it looks like Freeza’s ki is getting bigger again…! What’s happening!?”) and King Cold is said to be around that level. Maybe King Cold could get a bit more powerful but I could see his absolute maximum being 100 million.

I'm not sure that really suggests anything. King Cold could've been suppressed too, judging by his obvious "Freeza's second-form"-inspired design. Of course, nothing but conjecture really suggests that either.

But we both agree on his absolute maximum being 100 million anyway.

[FNF]

I see King Cold around 50% Freeza's level. Gohan appeared to be the only one who knew that Freeza could get stronger than what he was showing when he arrived on Earth which leads me to believe he was at 50% since he was the only one that felt Freeza's Ki go beyond 50% (Gohan: “To top it off, it looks like Freeza’s ki is getting bigger again…! What’s happening!?”) and King Cold is said to be around that level. Maybe King Cold could get a bit more powerful but I could see his absolute maximum being 100 million.

I'm not sure that really suggests anything. King Cold could've been suppressed too, judging by his obvious "Freeza's second-form"-inspired design. Of course, nothing but conjecture really suggests that either.

But we both agree on his absolute maximum being 100 million anyway.

Well as you point out I do say he might have been able to power up. I'm just not too sure if it's suggested he could power up. I mean, King Cold just goes 'I haz ur sWWord derP' and attacks him without him 'powering up'.

[Fox666]

It seems plausible that he could control his power like Freeza did after his first transformation.

But Cold is nowhere as weak as Freeza's 50%. Freeza was confident he could help against Goku, so I assume he could only be marginally lower than Freeza's original 120 million.

[FNF]

It seems plausible that he could control his power like Freeza did after his first transformation.

But Cold is nowhere as weak as Freeza's 50%. Freeza was confident he could help against Goku, so I assume he could only be marginally lower than Freeza's original 120 million.

Jeice supported Ginyu vs Goku when he was around the same level as 50% Freeza is compared to SSjin Goku/Mecha Freeza. He could easily be used as support for Freeza.

[rereboy]

Somebody not out-doing their father is a lot rarer in Dragon Ball. I can really only think of Future Trunks (if you count Gotenks as outdoing Goku/Vegeta).

Throw Gohan in there surpassing his dad when he was at his SSJ2 and Mystic peaks (basically when he attained them).

As for Cold, he had to have another form. Freeza did, and if you want to count Cooler then throw him in, too. Cold was only going to Earth in the first place because of curiosity and mainly because Freeza wanted to get revenge. He was probably confident enough with his power when Trunks killed Freeza, otherwise he would have transformed as a precaution. Then again, he thought it was all in the sword, which makes practically no sense considering Cold's own power and the fact that it was a sword (though you could argue being caught off-guard and all that).

He was so arrogant that he couldn't accept what he was seeing. He rationalized that Trunks couldn't be stronger than his son in every aspect, that he only killed him with luck and due to the aid of his sword. So, without the sword, he would be nothing (or at least inferior to Freeza and to himself).

He probably thought the same of Goku, that Freeza had only lost to Goku because he had lost a lot of power fighting several powerful opponents before fighting Goku or something like that.

[dprez]

I have him at 100,000,000 compared to Mecha Freeza's full power of 140,000,000.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I have him at 100,000,000 compared to Mecha Freeza's full power of 140,000,000.

Hey, that's exactly the same as me.