This is definitely not in-universe. It's an external discussion of the series plot as a whole.son veku wrote:should be in universe
He's referring to AgitoZ's post earlier in the thread. But I hope the bickering about it is over now. People can have negative opinions without being a troll.dbboxkaifan wrote:What is the C supposed to mean?
Those are the snoby anime fans that act like every anime needs to be high art. You don't need to be a deep story to be good. DB is a good series in my opinion because they give us loveable characters that we are care about as the story goes.AgitoZ wrote:Anyone who says DB does not have a story has either:
A) Never looked up the word before
B) Not seen or read the series for a significant amount
or
C) Is actively trying to provoke a response from fans
They just need it to have more sulking, angst, and pretentious bullshit.Hellspawn28 wrote:Those are the snoby anime fans that act like every anime needs to be high art. You don't need to be a deep story to be good. DB is a good series in my opinion because they give us loveable characters that we are care about as the story goes.AgitoZ wrote:Anyone who says DB does not have a story has either:
A) Never looked up the word before
B) Not seen or read the series for a significant amount
or
C) Is actively trying to provoke a response from fans
fadeddreams5 wrote:Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
But that's the thing, people are mistaking (subjectively) "bad story" with "no story at all".Fin wrote:I dunno, I don't really have a problem with people saying that. It's clearly hyperbole, and when you get down to it most Dragon Ball arcs basically use the plot to give context to fight scenes. There's nothing wrong with that kind of story, but it isn't everybody's cup of tea, and if you don't like it it probably does translate to meaningless fighting to you.
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.
And don't forget cheesy romances.DBZAOTA482 wrote:They just need it to have more sulking, angst, and pretentious bullshit.Hellspawn28 wrote:Those are the snoby anime fans that act like every anime needs to be high art. You don't need to be a deep story to be good. DB is a good series in my opinion because they give us loveable characters that we are care about as the story goes.AgitoZ wrote:Anyone who says DB does not have a story has either:
A) Never looked up the word before
B) Not seen or read the series for a significant amount
or
C) Is actively trying to provoke a response from fans
Fin wrote:I dunno, I don't really have a problem with people saying that. It's clearly hyperbole, and when you get down to it most Dragon Ball arcs basically use the plot to give context to fight scenes. There's nothing wrong with that kind of story, but it isn't everybody's cup of tea, and if you don't like it it probably does translate to meaningless fighting to you.
Piccolo Daimao wrote: But that's the thing, people are mistaking (subjectively) "bad story" with "no story at all".
I still haven't watched that film yet, and I'd been meaning to on Saturday, but didn't for lack of money! Argh!Michsi wrote:Let's look at another similar case that's all the rage right now: The Avengers. For all it's succes, the main plot of the movie could be summarized in a sentece, like " super-heroes join forces to protect the earth from invading forces of evil", a sentence that could easily be used to describe about million othersimilar stories. It's that basic. Yet, it's my favorite super-hero movie to date. Sometimes uncomplicated, predictable and light-hearted works better than deep and meaningful that can often border on pretentious and/or "trying too hard".
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.
Don't miss it, it's an awesome movie.Piccolo Daimao wrote:I still haven't watched that film yet, and I'd been meaning to on Saturday, but didn't for lack of money! Argh!Michsi wrote:Let's look at another similar case that's all the rage right now: The Avengers. For all it's succes, the main plot of the movie could be summarized in a sentece, like " super-heroes join forces to protect the earth from invading forces of evil", a sentence that could easily be used to describe about million othersimilar stories. It's that basic. Yet, it's my favorite super-hero movie to date. Sometimes uncomplicated, predictable and light-hearted works better than deep and meaningful that can often border on pretentious and/or "trying too hard".
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Yeah, I'll try to this week, if it's still in cinemas.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Don't miss it, it's an awesome movie.Piccolo Daimao wrote:I still haven't watched that film yet, and I'd been meaning to on Saturday, but didn't for lack of money! Argh!Michsi wrote:Let's look at another similar case that's all the rage right now: The Avengers. For all it's succes, the main plot of the movie could be summarized in a sentece, like " super-heroes join forces to protect the earth from invading forces of evil", a sentence that could easily be used to describe about million othersimilar stories. It's that basic. Yet, it's my favorite super-hero movie to date. Sometimes uncomplicated, predictable and light-hearted works better than deep and meaningful that can often border on pretentious and/or "trying too hard".
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.
It's not that (solely) but rather you're making an incorrect statement about Dragon Ball Z not having a story of any form.dbboxkaifan wrote:Yes.JulieYBM wrote:Dragon Ball doesn't have an overarching story, but there's obvious plot for each arc. It's sort of like the biographical nature of the Rocky film series in how it follow one character's life and most of the events of it.
Jeez you guys get so defensive about an anime, come on.
Yeah since the original Star Wars movies, most Star Trek movies, the Alien films, Indiana Jones, and most of the Godzilla films had simple stories and characters but they where great movies. It does not matter if the story is simple as long if you do a good job telling the story and have characters that you care about.Michsi wrote:For all it's succes, the main plot of the movie could be summarized in a sentece, like " super-heroes join forces to protect the earth from invading forces of evil", a sentence that could easily be used to describe about million othersimilar stories. It's that basic. Yet, it's my favorite super-hero movie to date. Sometimes uncomplicated, predictable and light-hearted works better than deep and meaningful that can often border on pretentious and/or "trying too hard".
What? I'm sorry but- What? What the HFIL are you talking about? I happened to be away from this site as the replies kept coming since I don't spend my whole day here and my last post was me checking up on it.son veku wrote:Where the hell is the OP who makes such a bold statement then never replies to his thread
because it's starting to look like he qualifies for C as well.
