Android 17?

Great Saiyaman · Post by **Great Saiyaman** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:41 am

How can #17 give his chi to the Spirit Bomb when you cannot sense his chi? It doesn't make sense.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 1:02 am

Great Saiyaman wrote:How can #17 give his chi to the Spirit Bomb when you cannot sense his chi? It doesn't make sense.

Maybe his and 18's "ki" were being blocked out by the bombs that Shenron removed after Cell's defeat, it actually seems logical since Chibi Trunks pointed out that 18's stronger than Krillin when he and Goten fought her, yet Trunks never even battled it out with Krillin or saw him fight (except with Pintar, in which case Krillin used a very small portion of his real power). Also, as seen with 18, she also gave her energy to Goku's Spirit Bomb. This explanation, while just invented by me, actually helps support Trunks' logic why #18 must be stronger than Krillin during the 25th Budokai, 18 and 17 giving their energy to Goku, and why Trunks was able to recognize the similarity in 17's ki in the Super 17 arc.

Eclipse · Post by **Eclipse** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 1:35 am

it actually seems logical since Chibi Trunks pointed out that 18's stronger than Krillin when he and Goten fought her, yet Trunks never even battled it out with Krillin or saw him fight

Actually, he said that at one point 18 was stronger than both Goku or Vegeta.

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 1:45 am

*blink* I dunno if I remember that.. Are you sure that's kid Trunks or future Trunks? Claiming that 18 is stonger than Goku and Vegeta sounds like something Mirai Trunks would say.

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 4:28 am

If I recall correctly, the Genki Dama gathers the spiritual energy, rather than Ki. o_o I'd imagine it'd be difficult to get any kind of Ki from plants. >_>; Also makes sense that Goku asks for everyone's Genki in several instances when using it.

Ash · Post by **Ash** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 5:05 am

I always imagined both Jinzouningen have ki, since they _are_ humans. They would be dead without any ki. However, they fight using another energy-source, which has no ki signature. Therefore the Jinzouningen are hard to track with ki, since they are as strong as other, normal people. Like looking for a needle in a haystack.

So #17 could give his ki to Gokuu...

Metrite · Post by **Metrite** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 5:10 am

The Genki Dama doesn't just gather ki, it gathers all kinds of energy(Kaio talked about that the very first time Goku did it). That's why Goku is able to make one with energy from the sun or inanimate objects. So when 17 and 18 donated, they were either raising their hands over nothing, or it could gather whatever sort of energy it is they run off of(since they have unlimited energy, they could've probably just kept their hands raised all day, and very slowly provided an endless supply to the Genki Dama).

Chaos Saiyajin · Post by **Chaos Saiyajin** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 6:48 pm

Juunana is a cyborg, meaning that atleast half of him is still human. I guess that would be how he could give his genki to Goku for the Genki Dama. Someone like Juuroku would've been unable, seeing as how he's fully mechanic.

Great Saiyaman · Post by **Great Saiyaman** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 8:18 pm

Metrite wrote:The Genki Dama doesn't just gather ki, it gathers all kinds of energy(Kaio talked about that the very first time Goku did it). That's why Goku is able to make one with energy from the sun or inanimate objects. So when 17 and 18 donated, they were either raising their hands over nothing, or it could gather whatever sort of energy it is they run off of(since they have unlimited energy, they could've probably just kept their hands raised all day, and very slowly provided an endless supply to the Genki Dama).

Yeah but when he took it from that stuff it was always like that land type energy, oceans, trees (which are living). I've always thought it was chi.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 10:39 pm

Great Saiyaman wrote: Yeah but when he took it from that stuff it was always like that land type energy, oceans, trees (which are living). I've always thought it was chi.

How exactly is earth or water alive? And even if they were, using that logic the materials making up all of Gero's creations would be able to donate energy.

Mr. Announcer · Post by **Mr. Announcer** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 10:51 pm

That's just the old shintoism. They believe everything in nature has a spirit and ki is spiritual energy. I'm guessing that probably doesn't apply to machines since they're not exactly 'natural' but since 17 and 18 are human they could definitely contribute. As for the types of energy they use, if they don't use ki then why is it that 19 could absorb Gokuh's ki and make use of it? 19 didn't even have a human base.

Great Saiyaman · Post by **Great Saiyaman** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 12:34 am

Dayspring wrote:
Great Saiyaman wrote: Yeah but when he took it from that stuff it was always like that land type energy, oceans, trees (which are living). I've always thought it was chi.
How exactly is earth or water alive? And even if they were, using that logic the materials making up all of Gero's creations would be able to donate energy.

I meant Plants are alive. As far as Oceans go, to me that's sorta like the mystical japaneese energy type thing. =/

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 11:33 am

Fine, whatever, but either way DB is not following the rules of Japanese religions simply because the genkidama gathers energy.

Mr. Announcer · Post by **Mr. Announcer** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 4:24 pm

Oh no, of course not. It ticks me off when people try to convince me that Toriyama was adhering to a completely Zen Buddhist idea of the afterlife and reincarnation when it's pretty obvious he mixes and matches religions with little regard for consistency. I was just saying that it would be natural for them to think that way about it since it's a part of their major religion.

The S · Post by **The S** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 11:36 pm

I'm just going to tack on this question instead of creating a seperate topic for it:

Are Androids 13, 14, and 15 purely mechanical? And, are they Limitless Power models?

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 7:28 am

The S wrote:I'm just going to tack on this question instead of creating a seperate topic for it:

Are Androids 13, 14, and 15 purely mechanical? And, are they Limitless Power models?

Purely mechanical. They're amalgamations of the three models, for really no reason at all. Maybe that's why Super #13 was so damned powerful.

ChaotixXero · Post by **ChaotixXero** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:22 pm

Well he could get energy for the ocean, theres lots of plankton there.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 7:05 pm

ChaotixXero wrote:Well he could get energy for the ocean, theres lots of plankton there.

I never thought of that... the water isn't alive, but there are countless microscopic organisms in it.

gokutae · Post by **gokutae** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 11:56 pm

She could give out infinite energy due to her infinite battery or something like that.

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