http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K36w6mDU5OQ
Okay, so I haven't checked this with my Dragon Boxes yet to see if this was in the original, but have any of you heard or seen this "attack" before? I saw comments saying (Makosen=master Masenko=apprentice), granted Youtube comments aren't necessarily accurate, is this what Funimation (or Toei?) was trying to do, give some sort of compliment to Gohan's Masenko? Strangely, this appears to be the only time we ever heard of that attack....
What do you make of this? and Does this technique intrigue? enough to warrant a video game appearance?
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Re: Odd Piccolo attack...
I always figured it was a dub gaffe and didn't think much of it, honestly.
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Re: Odd Piccolo attack...
Idk where the japanese version is....but it might just be "Masenko" said wrong.
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Re: Odd Piccolo attack...
Makosen is listed in Daizenshuu 7, so it's not a dub thing.
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Re: Odd Piccolo attack...
Makosen is certainly not a FUNi thing; Super Famicom games used it. Makosen means Demon Beam. Piccolo also can use the Masenko (Demon Flash), I believe. Pretty sure he's the one whom Gohan learnt it from.
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Re: Odd Piccolo attack...
Didn't he use it in Android Saga? Also I miss Goku'd old meteor combination. That was nice..linkdude20002001 wrote:Makosen is certainly not a FUNi thing; Super Famicom games used it. Makosen means Demon Beam. Piccolo also can use the Masenko (Demon Flash), I believe. Pretty sure he's the one whom Gohan learnt it from.
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Well I said Masenko was Gohan's from an out of universe perspective (which in hindsight, was a bad idea considering this is in the In universe section after all...) as that was supposed to be a signiture attack, exclusive to the character. Anyway, It seems odd that this attack is barely used/mentioned. I love to see more of it.linkdude20002001 wrote:Makosen is certainly not a FUNi thing; Super Famicom games used it. Makosen means Demon Beam. Piccolo also can use the Masenko (Demon Flash), I believe. Pretty sure he's the one whom Gohan learnt it from.
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Re: Makosen-ha!?
Didn't Piccolo Daimao use Masenko?
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Re: Makosen-ha!?
No, he used Makousen, which he defeated Gokuu with in their first fight. Similar names, but different techniques.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Didn't Piccolo Daimao use Masenko?
Piccolo (Ma Junior) apparently does know Masenkou and taught it to Gohan, but I don't think we ever see him use it.
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Was there any confirmation that he knows it himself? For some reason I always thought it was Gohan's technique and he got the naming scheme from Piccolo.
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While the name "Makosen" doesn't originate in the dub, it's use in the dub during Piccolo/No.17's fight against Cell is indeed dub-only. I'm pretty sure anyway; don't have the DVDs to check, but we've gone over the topic a few times before. The attack Piccolo uses there is not named in the manga or anime, but Daizenshuu 2 calls it the "Chou-Bakuretsu-Maha" (Super Explosive Demon Wave). Many games call it the "Gekiretsu-Kodan" (Violent Light Bullet), which is loosely translated to "Light Grenade" in the English versions. This actually seems to originate from the title of DBZ episode 148, but there the name presumably refers to the guided energy blasts Piccolo uses against No.17.
As noted, "Makosen" is indeed one of the attacks listed in Daizenshuu 7's attack dictionary, but there it refers to the attack Piccolo Daimao uses to finish off Goku during their first fight. This attack involves Piccolo firing a blast from one hand, then quickly following it up with a blast from the other, and isn't really a good match for the attack Piccolo uses against Cell. I don't know if the Funi dub writers knew of this rather obscure attack name and decided to throw it into the Cell fight, or if they just happened to mess up "Masenko" (which is written with the same kanji as "Makosen", switched around).
As noted, "Makosen" is indeed one of the attacks listed in Daizenshuu 7's attack dictionary, but there it refers to the attack Piccolo Daimao uses to finish off Goku during their first fight. This attack involves Piccolo firing a blast from one hand, then quickly following it up with a blast from the other, and isn't really a good match for the attack Piccolo uses against Cell. I don't know if the Funi dub writers knew of this rather obscure attack name and decided to throw it into the Cell fight, or if they just happened to mess up "Masenko" (which is written with the same kanji as "Makosen", switched around).
Daizenshuu 7's attack dictionary lists Piccolo as one of the attack's users. This could just be based on the idea that Piccolo presumably taught the attack to Gohan, or it might be a reference to one panel from the Freeza battle where Piccolo fires a blast that looks sorta like a Masenko.Saiga wrote:Was there any confirmation that he knows it himself? For some reason I always thought it was Gohan's technique and he got the naming scheme from Piccolo.
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Re: Makosen-ha!?
This scene is from the second half of Dragon Ball Z episode 148. However, while the Makōsen is indeed an actual attack used in the series, it is not what Piccolo originally says during this scene in Japanese. FUNimation added in this dialogue, including the "Ha!" at the end, which makes absolutely no sense since the translation would be "Demon Beam Wave". Is it a beam, or a wave?! On top of that, if you want to get all technical, the Makōsen is formed by gathering ki in both of your clenched fists and then fired by thrusting both of your hands forward. Also, the technique is primarily used by Piccolo Daimaō and I think only once by Piccolo. In this scene though, Piccolo is merely firing ki blasts to surround No. 17. Even in Daizenshuu 7 it's listed as a "Guided Scattering Ki Blast".
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It took me four months to write that post and I still ninja'd you.Hujio wrote:Edit: So yeah, what Jake said.
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