Dragon Box , Personal Verdict

[penguintruth]

Words, words, words. None of them justify the shit that Funimation turned DBZ into when they dubbed it.

"The dub is the same show". Sure, and the 4Kids dub of One Piece was the same show. And the Macross Saga of Robotech is the same as SDF Macross. And Voltron is the same as GoLion. Star Blazers is exactly the same as Space Battleship Yamato. And Shin Chan is the same as Crayon Shin-chan. And so on and so forth.

Completely distorting characters, adding music and dialogue where it doesn't belong, injecting "humor" where there wasn't originally, changing the music from a big operatic orchestral score that fits wuxia to HARDCORE ACSHION VIDEO GAME X-TREME, and needlessly changing names and terms, to say nothing of the terrible voice acting, that's hardly changing the show at all!

Tell me how being a fan of a show where the main character is a sophisticated, moralizing speech-giver is the same as being a fan of a show where the main character is an irresponsible, halfwit fight addict. One of these things is DBZ. Or being a fan of a show where the villain is a lusty transvestite who cracks bad puns is the same as being a fan of a show where the villain is a frightening faux-gentleman mass murderer.

You can like the replacement music all you want, but it wasn't the music intended for the show when Toei made it, and therefore, isn't the music of the show. Just because Toei made the mistake of giving creative liberties to Funimation doesn't make it right that they took them. Two wrongs do not make a right.

Sorry if I feel a little superior to people who don't even regard the product as intended.

[johnboy1]

It's obvious that I'm talking to a brick wall, so I'll stop. I said what I thought really needed saying in the final paragraph of my last post, anyway.

[DHM211]

Words, words, words. None of them justify the shit that Funimation turned DBZ into when they dubbed it.

"The dub is the same show". Sure, and the 4Kids dub of One Piece was the same show. And the Macross Saga of Robotech is the same as SDF Macross. And Voltron is the same as GoLion. Star Blazers is exactly the same as Space Battleship Yamato. And Shin Chan is the same as Crayon Shin-chan. And so on and so forth.

Completely distorting characters, adding music and dialogue where it doesn't belong, injecting "humor" where there wasn't originally, changing the music from a big operatic orchestral score that fits wuxia to HARDCORE ACSHION VIDEO GAME X-TREME, and needlessly changing names and terms, to say nothing of the terrible voice acting, that's hardly changing the show at all!

Tell me how being a fan of a show where the main character is a sophisticated, moralizing speech-giver is the same as being a fan of a show where the main character is an irresponsible, halfwit fight addict. One of these things is DBZ. Or being a fan of a show where the villain is a lusty transvestite who cracks bad puns is the same as being a fan of a show where the villain is a frightening faux-gentleman mass murderer.

You can like the replacement music all you want, but it wasn't the music intended for the show when Toei made it, and therefore, isn't the music of the show. Just because Toei made the mistake of giving creative liberties to Funimation doesn't make it right that they took them. Two wrongs do not make a right.

Sorry if I feel a little superior to people who don't even regard the product as intended.

So if you some one dosn't care for the japanese music that make's them inferior?

[penguintruth]

It's obvious that I'm talking to a brick wall, so I'll stop. I said what I thought really needed saying in the final paragraph of my last post, anyway.

If you have nothing left to say on the matter, the best way to back out is to NOT POST AT ALL.

"Ooh, look at me, I'm posting to say you're too stupid to keep talking to! Aren't I clever? +1 post!"

So if you some one dosn't care for the japanese music that make's them inferior?

I didn't say you have to like it. There are a lot of anime I dislike the music for. But you have to acknowledge that it's the real music of the show, like it or not.

I do resent that the dub is so popular when it spits in the face of the Japanese version, and that many people regard the dub as representing what DBZ is.

[LordCrumb]

You do come off as kind of stuck up penguintruth in your posts, so I can understand him giving up.

Believing that you should only watch DBZ in Japanese (bad quality mono track btw), and disrespecting anyone who prefers to watch it in English is just childish and petty.

[penguintruth]

Don't make me out to be the bad guy. I didn't make a crappy dub. Funimation did. Just because they misled everyone for years doesn't make me a bully for pointing it out.

[DHM211]

It's obvious that I'm talking to a brick wall, so I'll stop. I said what I thought really needed saying in the final paragraph of my last post, anyway.

If you have nothing left to say on the matter, the best way to back out is to NOT POST AT ALL.

"Ooh, look at me, I'm posting to say you're too stupid to keep talking to! Aren't I clever? +1 post!"

So if you some one dosn't care for the japanese music that make's them inferior?

I didn't say you have to like it. There are a lot of anime I dislike the music for. But you have to acknowledge that it's the real music of the show, like it or not.

It's the origanal music,yes, but its not the only real music, I'll admit I prefer the Japanese music for 97% of the DBZ TV series but that dosn't mean the U.S. Music isn't real music for the series.The U.S. music is actully better in a couple of the Movies.

[LordCrumb]

Don't make me out to be the bad guy. I didn't make a crappy dub. Funimation did. Just because they misled everyone for years doesn't make me a bully for pointing it out.

No, but continuing to bad mouth something to people who enjoy the Dub dub is.

[samuraix123]

Just to throw my two cents in, I see where penguintruth is coming from. Now I'm not taking sides here but I've never seen another show that has had it's original music changed. I'm sure there have been other cases but not that I know about. In my opinon I say the Japanese score is the original musical score but that doesn't mean people should completly talk crap about the American score or hate it. Also let's try to not be rude to one another, What's the point in making other users on this site sore at each other? I'm sure we all don't want VegettoEX coming in here and stomping a mudd hole in us and locking this thread which it looks like that's what's going to happen.

[LordCrumb]

It's just that you don't hear the English dub fans constantly trashing the Japanese version because they prefer one over the other.. it only tends to be the Japanese fans who complain.

[samuraix123]

It's just that you don't hear the English dub fans constantly trashing the Japanese version because they prefer one over the other.. it only tends to be the Japanese fans who complain.

While I do agree with this I've had more Japanese fans attack me because I like the American soundtrack more than any other, but most of the time they were unaware that I really loved the Japanese version as well But Youtube is really bad with the dub fans as well

[penguintruth]

It's just that you don't hear the English dub fans constantly trashing the Japanese version because they prefer one over the other.. it only tends to be the Japanese fans who complain.

Really? Maybe you should look outside of these forums.

[jjgp1112]

Your preference for the US music is irrelevant. It's not the real music for DBZ.

If you were a "hardcore" fan of the show, you would respect it for what it is, not what it isn't.

That being said, there probably wouldn't have been any harm putting the US music on the Dragon Boxes. It's not like the Japanese score makes that awful dub any better.

This is complete nonsense. Everybody doesn't have to abide by your "rules."

Am I not a true fan just because I find certain flaws in something I like that I think can be changed? At the end of the day, it's a TV show, not a scared, holy product.

[DHM211]

Your preference for the US music is irrelevant. It's not the real music for DBZ.

If you were a "hardcore" fan of the show, you would respect it for what it is, not what it isn't.

That being said, there probably wouldn't have been any harm putting the US music on the Dragon Boxes. It's not like the Japanese score makes that awful dub any better.

This is complete nonsense. Everybody doesn't have to abide by your "rules."

Amen.

[AgitoZ]

It's just that you don't hear the English dub fans constantly trashing the Japanese version because they prefer one over the other.. it only tends to be the Japanese fans who complain.

Where are you hanging out? There always seems to be complaining on both sides. I can't tell you how many times I've heard the stupid "in the Japanese they sound like girls" argument.

Also to be fair, you did bring up the score debate by bringing up that the FUNi score should've been included. Never mind the amount of space or need for it since it including the original makes it definitive enough.

If you start complaining there, when do you stop? If it's so definitive, why not include the original FUNi dub? Or, shit, why stop there? How about the Mexican dub or any other dub that changed the score?

This is complete nonsense. Everybody doesn't have to abide by your "rules"

So don't. Could've saved this thread a page.

[DBZAOTA482]

Your preference for the US music is irrelevant. It's not the real music for DBZ.

If you were a "hardcore" fan of the show, you would respect it for what it is, not what it isn't.

That being said, there probably wouldn't have been any harm putting the US music on the Dragon Boxes. It's not like the Japanese score makes that awful dub any better.

This is complete nonsense. Everybody doesn't have to abide by your "rules."

Am I not a true fan just because I find certain flaws in something I like that I think can be changed? At the end of the day, it's a TV show, not a scared, holy product.

I go by nobodies rules, not even my own.

[Taku128]

It's just that you don't hear the English dub fans constantly trashing the Japanese version because they prefer one over the other.. it only tends to be the Japanese fans who complain.

Really? Maybe you should look outside of these forums.

Well then why don't you go to those forums and yell at those people then, instead of constantly telling anyone who politely expresses their enjoyment of the dub here how they're wrong and not a true fan and destroying the integrity of Dragon Ball Z with their heathenous viewpoints.

[penguintruth]

Am I not a true fan just because I find certain flaws in something I like that I think can be changed?

I've never even implied that. Where are you extrapolating this position from?

Like I said, you don't have to like the original music. But that doesn't mean it was right for it to be changed.

I'm not demanding anybody do anything. Like whatever you want. I'm just saying that if you don't respect the product as it was intended, I find it difficult to consider you a fan of said product. Being a fan of the English dub no more makes you a fan of DBZ than gluing feathers to your arms makes you a bird.

I can't really consider somebody a "hardcore" fan if their preference for the show is a version of it that constantly subverts the original intent. There's nothing "hardcore" about inaccuracy and incompetence.

[DHM211]

I can't really consider somebody a "hardcore" fan if their preference for the show is a version of it that constantly subverts the original intent. There's nothing "hardcore" about inaccuracy and incompetence.

Thats just you'r opinion, you cant decide what a "hard-core" fan is, I know A lot of people who live for DBZ, but they love the dub music.

[VegettoEX]

There are ways to express opinions, and there are ways to not do so.

I would encourage everyone to re-read the forum rules, which you agreed to (twice!) prior to registration. If the sense of shonen camaraderie is not your style, keep in mind that posting here is a privilege, and not a right.

A series of warnings and temporary bans have been issued. I hate this part. We don't have to do it often, and I'm so beyond thankful to the larger community that you don't make this a general part of my life. It's stupid. It's lame. It makes everyone look dumb. Why would anyone want that?