Was it always Super Saiya-jin 4?

[gohan2k]

I remember reading somewhere on the internet somewhere that Super Saiya-jin 4 was not always going to be the name for that form.

Supposedly Toei intended it to be a brand new transformation but couldn't think of a name so it just became Super Saiya-jin 4.

Being, probably from a fansite I thought I'd check whether this was true or not before I go telling people this but it does kinda make sense as SSJ4 just looks so different to the other three forms.

Is there any truth to this or is it just a rumor?

['lo Legends]

To be perfectly honest, Super Saiyan 4 is different enough from the other Super Saiyan levels to be called something else, but no, it's always been called Super Saiyan 4.

If you consider "Super Saiyan" to mean "A general transformational powerup that enhances the power of a Saiyan", then it would be the correct term but then you run into the whole Giant Ape mess.

[VegettoEX]

From what I understand, Weekly Shônen Jump (or possibly V-Jump) mistakenly referred to Goku as "Super 4 Goku" before it actually premiered in the series on television. ALSO, in Final Bout, it's written out (after you select the character) as 超4孫悟空 (Sûpâ 4 Son Gokû). I'd take a screen-cap, but that computer is currently missing its drivers for the capture card .

Rest assured, it's flat-out called 超サイヤ人4 (Sûpâ Saiya-jin Fô [4]) in the episode it first appears in the title of (#35), and is literally spoken aloud as such by the characters.

Do with said information as you will .

[the1payday]

It does seem as though Super Saiyan 4 is more of a different form doesn't it? With past super saiyan transformations the user's hair slightly changed and there body was left relatively unchanged. Super 4's are quite different in appearance...it could be that super saiyan 4 IS a different type of super saiyan 1 form. Just speculation though. Maybe Toriyama and Toei were just running out of ways a characters hair could possibly change again.

[The S]

Ack. I remember on the site that I frequented before I joined DaizEX, there was an arguement between two groups whether the form was called Super 4 or Super X. I piped in saying it was Super Saiya-jin 4, and I was flamed to Hell and back.

Terrible memories....

[the1payday]

Ack. I remember on the site that I frequented before I joined DaizEX, there was an arguement between two groups whether the form was called Super 4 or Super X. I piped in saying it was Super Saiya-jin 4, and I was flamed to Hell and back.

Terrible memories....

That sounds bad. This is ever so slightly off topic but what is the pronunciation for Saiya-jin? Is it "SAY-a-jin" similar to the American "Saiyan" or is it "SIGH-a jin?" I've wondered this for a long time.

[Alchemist Ed]

The way to pronounce "Saiya-jin" is "SIGH-ah-jeen".

[Casual Matt]

Ack. I remember on the site that I frequented before I joined DaizEX, there was an arguement between two groups whether the form was called Super 4 or Super X. I piped in saying it was Super Saiya-jin 4, and I was flamed to Hell and back.

Terrible memories....

That sounds bad. This is ever so slightly off topic but what is the pronunciation for Saiya-jin? Is it "SAY-a-jin" similar to the American "Saiyan" or is it "SIGH-a jin?" I've wondered this for a long time.

The second one. "SIGH-a jin"

EDIT: Alchemist Ed beat me to it.

EDIT2: Damn. I would've deleted this post for sheer pointlessness, but now it's too late.

[Mr. Announcer]

Yup, SIGH-a jin. If it were the English pronounciation, it would be spelled seiyajin, which it isn't.

EDIT: Wow, way to post at the same time everybody. Now my post is all useless and stuff.

[the1payday]

Alright thanks guys...I just was never sure on that one.

[Alchemist Ed]

Yes, far too often, people either pronounce it "SAY-uhn," or "SAY-uh-jihn". But, now, you don't have to do that! I must admit, I used the latter for quite some time, but I was eventually corrected. Sorry for the off topic-ness.

[mictaliano]

To get back on topic. From what I've heard Super Saiyen 4 is actually what the original legendary Super Saiyen (not Broly) would of looked like. Because the original Super Saiyen had a tail. The problem with DBGT is that there are tons of plot holes especially after the Bebi Saga. If everything else after that saga never happened than this might be true. Also if Akira Toriyama was directly responsible for GT (and not just character design) we would probably have a better explanation of Super Saiyen 4.

[desirecampbell]

To get back on topic. From what I've heard Super Saiyen 4 is actually what the original legendary Super Saiyen (not Broly) would of looked like. Because the original Super Saiyen had a tail. The problem with DBGT is that there are tons of plot holes especially after the Bebi Saga. If everything else after that saga never happened than this might be true. Also if Akira Toriyama was directly responsible for GT (and not just character design) we would probably have a better explanation of Super Saiyen 4.

The flashback your thinking of from Z was filer - the "original Super Saiyan" was never shown in the manga, not that that discredits it entirely, just pointing that out.

Also, I doubt that Toriyama would have helped explain things better in GT - by that point he had pretty much given up on DragonBall entirely.

[gohan2k]

I like to thin, personally, that Super Saiyan 4 is the form a Saiyan with a tail would go to straight away when they became super whereas the other three forms are for Saiyans without tails of course this can never be proven either way.
I wish they'd just built upon Super Saiyan 3 though rather than what seems like an all new transformation for SSJ4.
Flame Super Saiyan would've looked cool!

[Conan the SSJ]

Yes, far too often, people either pronounce it "SAY-uhn," or "SAY-uh-jihn". But, now, you don't have to do that! I must admit, I used the latter for quite some time, but I was eventually corrected. Sorry for the off topic-ness.

People can pronounce it however they want, it's not like they're not fans if they say it "Say-uhn". Sure, people don't have to do that, but there's nothing stopping them from doing it. If they wanna do that and still be hardcore fans of the Japanese version, there's nothing wrong with that. Look at EX, he hates FUNi's in-house dubs of both DBZ and GT, he's as much a hardcore fan of the Japanese version as any of us, yet he pronounces Kuririn "Krillin". You can pronounce something however you want, it's not like you're Japanese yourself.

[MultilangDBZ]

Yes, far too often, people either pronounce it "SAY-uhn," or "SAY-uh-jihn". But, now, you don't have to do that! I must admit, I used the latter for quite some time, but I was eventually corrected. Sorry for the off topic-ness.

People can pronounce it however they want, it's not like they're not fans if they say it "Say-uhn". Sure, people don't have to do that, but there's nothing stopping them from doing it. If they wanna do that and still be hardcore fans of the Japanese version, there's nothing wrong with that.

True, it may seem that some people come off as a bit too eager to convince others to pronounce 'Sai' the Japanese way, but no one is being compelled, and no one is saying that you cannot be a specific kind of fan based upon how you pronounce things.

I think you needn't be so defensive about the whole issue. Some were just enthusiastic to show that they know how it's originally pronounced.

Look at EX, he hates FUNi's in-house dubs of both DBZ and GT, he's as much a hardcore fan of the Japanese version as any of us, yet he pronounces Kuririn "Krillin".

Actually, VegettoEX has been pronouncing it 'Kuririn' for quite a number of podcasts now. I think he overcame the pronunciation after that one podcast, early on, where he said that his 'secret' was not being able to say Kuririn. But he can say it perfectly now, ever since that podcast.

However, that's beside the point.

You can pronounce something however you want, it's not like you're Japanese yourself.

Now that would be double standards. Are you suggesting that if a person is Japanese, s/he has to pronounce it the original (Japanese) way rather than 'however they want' (i.e. they can't say Krillin if they prefer)?

[SSJ5 Piccohan]

I read somewhere that its pronounced (SA) (E) (Yan) (JEAN)

[Conan the SSJ]

True, it may seem that some people come off as a bit too eager to convince others to pronounce 'Sai' the Japanese way, but no one is being compelled, and no one is saying that you cannot be a specific kind of fan based upon how you pronounce things.

I think you needn't be so defensive about the whole issue. Some were just enthusiastic to show that they know how it's originally pronounced.

However, that's beside the point.

Now that would be double standards. Are you suggesting that if a person is Japanese, s/he has to pronounce it the original (Japanese) way rather than 'however they want' (i.e. they can't say Krillin if they prefer)?

Well, I'm quite aware EX has been pronouncing "Kuririn" correctly since revealing it, I was just using that as an example that you can be a hardcore fan of the Japanese version, though still pronounce things differently than how they are in the Japanese version. Regarding you accusing me of double standard, if it seems like I was implying that the Japanese should pronounce it how it is in the Japanese version, you took my meaning the wrong way. What I was trying to say was that you don't have to pronounce things exactly like they are in the Japanese version, especially considering you're not Japanese, but I wasn't saying the Japanese are abide to pronounce it how it is in the Japanese version. They can pronounce however they want it as well. Let's just leave the matter alone, last time I checked, this thread isn't intended to be about pronunciations.

[Saiya-jin]

I read somewhere that its pronounced (SA) (E) (Yan) (JEAN)

What the heck? If you are trying to say the japanese, then there is no "N" in "YAN" it's just saiya-jin

[tenkaichigoten]

I remember a flashback vegeta had during the ginyu part of the namek saga.Goku was os strong Vegeta thought he was the legendary ssj. While talking it showed Golden Oozaru's Outline. I read somewhere thats the real super saiya-jin and ssj4 is the real super saiya-jin 2.