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Re: Dragon Ball things you never want to hear again

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:30 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:- GT/Kai bashing
- Dub/fan terms
- "Dragon Ball Wiki says that..."
- Dub references as proof in debates
- "Broli can one-shot SS4 Gogeta"
- "Broli can be single-handedly killed by Cell"
- FUNi dub >>> Japanese
I agree with all of that except for the 6th one. Cell killing Broly singe-handedly is quite possible.
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Re: Dragon Ball things you never want to hear again

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:00 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:I agree with all of that except for the 6th one. Cell killing Broly singe-handedly is quite possible.
Not in my book. Except if you mean Super Perfect Cell (my bad for not being more specific), which could be possible. Movie 8 Broli should be at least equal to Perfect Cell, and Movie 10 Broli at least equal to Super Perfect Cell.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Dragon Ball things you never want to hear again

Post by soulnova » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:17 pm

-Goku's dub speech to Freeza. Is... just to corny.
-Pan whining.
-All of Mr.Satan scenes before the 25th Tournament. I SIMPLY CANT STAND HIM. Afterwards, he's funny and more likable for me.
-Gohan being able to go SSj in the new movie.
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Re: Dragon Ball things you never want to hear again

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:23 pm

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TheMightyOzaru wrote:I agree with all of that except for the 6th one. Cell killing Broly singe-handedly is quite possible.
Not in my book. Except if you mean Super Perfect Cell (my bad for not being more specific), which could be possible. Movie 8 Broli should be at least equal to Perfect Cell, and Movie 10 Broli at least equal to Super Perfect Cell.
I have Perfect Cell above Movie 8 Broly and I have Super Perfect Cell above Movie 10 Broly. It's quite possible that Cell can take Broly alone. Besides Cell could easily blow himself up and regenerate giving him a Zenkai if that didn't already kill Broly.
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Re: Dragon Ball things you never want to hear again

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:42 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:Besides Cell could easily blow himself up and regenerate giving him a Zenkai if that didn't already kill Broly.
That's another story. I'm talking exclusively about power.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Post by andrewtuell1991 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:05 pm

1. Menza's GT score and Nathan Johnson's score. :sick:

While I don't think that Faulconer's score fits Z in any way, shape, or form, I find it tolerable for what it is, but the two aforementioned scores are the soulless pieces of garbage I have ever had the displeasure of hearing. Menza's GT score is, like Faulconer's, performed on some cheap synthesizer but has zero energy and is possible the most depression music to ever accompany an anime. As for Johnson's score, even a high volumes I can barely hear and I finally can hear I soon wish for it to recede into the background again. I... don't even how to properly describe Johnson's music or what genre it should fall under. It's like he tried to fuse the subtlety of Kikuchi's score with the "hardcoreness" of Faulconer and failed HORRIBLY. IMO, Johnson's score is THE worse English score.

2. People confusing SSJ with SSJ2.

:eh: Seriously? One has a wave-like aura with no sparks and a much brighter shade of blonde hair, and the other has a blazing aura with sparks coming off in every which way and has an almost marigold color of hair. What's the confusion?
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Re: Dragon Ball things you never want to hear again

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:17 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote:Besides Cell could easily blow himself up and regenerate giving him a Zenkai if that didn't already kill Broly.
That's another story. I'm talking exclusively about power.
A Zenkai would increase his power so that applies.
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Re: Dragon Ball things you never want to hear again

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:34 pm

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TheMightyOzaru wrote:Besides Cell could easily blow himself up and regenerate giving him a Zenkai if that didn't already kill Broly.
That's another story. I'm talking exclusively about power.
A Zenkai would increase his power so that applies.
No, I'm talking about specifically the Perfect Cell that even though he went full power (not the Power-Weighted form) to Gohan, he got his ass kicked, and specifically the Super Perfect Cell that got eradicated by SS2 Gohan's Kamehameha. No other near-death power-ups.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Dragon Ball things you never want to hear again

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:16 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:No, I'm talking about specifically the Perfect Cell that even though he went full power (not the Power-Weighted form) to Gohan, he got his ass kicked, and specifically the Super Perfect Cell that got eradicated by SS2 Gohan's Kamehameha. No other near-death power-ups.
Why don't Zenkais count? Its a likely situation in the battle assuming he would need to blow himself up. Furthermore Gohan would have lost if Gohan hadn't dug deeper into his power with the help of Goku's encouragement. That aside though even without Zenkais Cell could be stronger and IMO he is. I don't see why you find it agitating when people say Cell could handle Broly alone when its entirely possible.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:23 pm

Let's say that Cell's battle power is X, and Broli's battle power is Y. Don't count skills & abilities, this is not a battle. It's just a comparison of battle powers. I don't believe that X >>>> Y. Do you understand what I'm trying to say now?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Post by B » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:25 pm

Dub sensitivity is another one. I get that pointing out the dub's flaws has been done, but ten or so people complaining about one person voicing a complaint with the dub seems like overkill. No one evee seems to want to refute or have a discussion about it either; it's always "do you need to talk about this again? Leave the dub alone! :roll: ".
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:30 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Let's say that Cell's battle power is X, and Broli's battle power is Y. Don't count skills & abilities, this is not a battle. It's just a comparison of battle powers. I don't believe that X >>>> Y. Do you understand what I'm trying to say now?
Well I don't believe Cell >>>> Broly either. I think Cell and Broly are close but Cell is just a little stronger.
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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:38 pm

B wrote:Dub sensitivity is another one. I get that pointing out the dub's flaws has been done, but ten or so people complaining about one person voicing a complaint with the dub seems like overkill. No one evee seems to want to refute or have a discussion about it either; it's always "do you need to talk about this again? Leave the dub alone! :roll: ".
I can't speak for everyone of course, but I'm more than willing to discuss the problems with the dub. From my POV though, it always usually seems to be a problem of the other side going 'Nope, you're wrong, it sucks, lalalalala' essentially. Either way though, both sides are at fault, yeah.
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Re: Dragon Ball things you never want to hear again

Post by Daimakku » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:46 pm

Sinestro wrote:"Rock the Dragon".

Even when I was younger, I didn't like it.

I won't begrudge anyone for finding it to be a guilty pleasure, though. Especially if that was present when you got into the show.
DRAGON, DRAGON! ROCK THE DRAGON! DRAGON BALL ZEEEEEEE! *guitar solo*

The first time I heard this I thought to myself "what the FUCK is this??". But then again, I grew up with the latin spanish version of Head-cha-la.

I can see why people would nostalgia over Rock the Dragon though. That's how they were introduced to the show. I think I would like it too if I was introduced with it.
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Re: Dragon Ball things you never want to hear again

Post by Sinestro » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:15 pm

Daimakku wrote:
Sinestro wrote:"Rock the Dragon".

Even when I was younger, I didn't like it.

I won't begrudge anyone for finding it to be a guilty pleasure, though. Especially if that was present when you got into the show.
DRAGON, DRAGON! ROCK THE DRAGON! DRAGON BALL ZEEEEEEE! *guitar solo*

The first time I heard this I thought to myself "what the FUCK is this??". But then again, I grew up with the latin spanish version of Head-cha-la.

I can see why people would nostalgia over Rock the Dragon though. That's how they were introduced to the show. I think I would like it too if I was introduced with it.
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Post by Majin Steve » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:19 pm

Daimakku wrote:
Sinestro wrote:"Rock the Dragon".

Even when I was younger, I didn't like it.

I won't begrudge anyone for finding it to be a guilty pleasure, though. Especially if that was present when you got into the show.
DRAGON, DRAGON! ROCK THE DRAGON! DRAGON BALL ZEEEEEEE! *guitar solo*

The first time I heard this I thought to myself "what the FUCK is this??". But then again, I grew up with the latin spanish version of Head-cha-la.
you lucky devil, that's the one 'come slide down rainbows in the clouds, let's fly away (fly away) etc ?' right?
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Post by Rocketman » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:21 pm

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Post by Majin Steve » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:38 pm

The battle powers are actually the only thing that would tempt me to believe Toriyama was planning to end after Freeza, because they jumped from 9000 being high in the Saiyan Saga to , what Freeza being 120 Million. They just got so high it seemed very 'final boss-ish'
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Post by Saiga » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:41 pm

Majin Steve wrote:The battle powers are actually the only thing that would tempt me to believe Toriyama was planning to end after Freeza, because they jumped from 9000 being high in the Saiyan Saga to , what Freeza being 120 Million. They just got so high it seemed very 'final boss-ish'
Even in the Saiyan Saga alone, they went from 1,500 being "Oh shit!" (Raditz) to 180,000 (Oozaru Vegeta).

I think it's more likely that Toriyama didn't stop to think of how long he could continue that before the numbers got too high. :P
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Post by Daimakku » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:43 pm

Majin Steve wrote:
Daimakku wrote:
Sinestro wrote:"Rock the Dragon".

Even when I was younger, I didn't like it.

I won't begrudge anyone for finding it to be a guilty pleasure, though. Especially if that was present when you got into the show.
DRAGON, DRAGON! ROCK THE DRAGON! DRAGON BALL ZEEEEEEE! *guitar solo*

The first time I heard this I thought to myself "what the FUCK is this??". But then again, I grew up with the latin spanish version of Head-cha-la.
you lucky devil, that's the one 'come slide down rainbows in the clouds, let's fly away (fly away) etc ?' right?
Yep. The lyrics are more or less similar to the japanese version, only in spanish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc5vPDaOmhI

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