Character derailment

[Saiga]

Not what Toriyama said. :3

[DBZAOTA482]

You seem to stubbornly hold on to the "Yamcha's a cheater" theory Saiga, one can assume you have a bias against the guy.

...And to answer the unanswered...

But as for the rest of the characters, their complete idiocy of a "plan" coupled with their ridiculous selfishness at the beginning of the arc by saying, "Yeah, sure, we'll let Dr. Gero's evil plan come to fruition or else we'll be bored," only to pull a 180 (except for Vegeta) and say, "No, we can't let Cell's evil plan come to fruition because that's irresponsible." Puh-leeze.

In the case of Dr. Gero, I'd agree with you if it were a do-or-die situation but they had 3 years of preparation so it was just them being themselves.

[Saiga]

You seem to stubbornly hold on to the "Yamcha's a cheater" theory Saiga, one can assume you have a bias against the guy.

Not biased at all, I'm just sick of seeing everyone making excuses for the guy.

[Olympian]

You seem to stubbornly hold on to the "Yamcha's a cheater" theory Saiga, one can assume you have a bias against the guy.

Not biased at all, I'm just sick of seeing everyone making excuses for the guy.

What excuses exactly? The manga shows several (noted) examples of Bulma lusting over other men while in the relationship, noted by two other characters who sided on Yamcha`s side (Bulma`s mother and Oolong) and somehow we are supposed to not mention such a thing just because Toryama needed another Saiyan in the manga and picked the only female character that had a history with the whole main gang to do it?

And somehow him making a justifiable joke settles any kind of argument about who of those two was written more out of character?

It`s not excuses, it`s simply mentioning what is factual when you read the Manga. There was a change of character (or an assumption of one) due to plot need.

[Saiga]

I was more talking about people who deny that he did that, saying it was a lie etc.

But anyway, the whole "Bulma lusting after other men" thing has absolutely nothing to do with Yamcha cheating and I don't know why people bring it up so much. Realistically, cheaters don't have signs over their head labelling them as such. They don't always act like they're inclined towards cheating. They may give absolutely no indication that they'd cheat, or even indicate that they never would. That's all quite common with cheaters in real life. So, it's not necessarily OOC for Yamcha to cheat, nor is it factual that it was OOC.

[TobyS]

I was more talking about people who deny that he did that, saying it was a lie etc.

But anyway, the whole "Bulma lusting after other men" thing has absolutely nothing to do with Yamcha cheating and I don't know why people bring it up so much. Realistically, cheaters don't have signs over their head labelling them as such. They don't always act like they're inclined towards cheating. They may give absolutely no indication that they'd cheat, or even indicate that they never would. That's all quite common with cheaters in real life. So, it's not necessarily OOC for Yamcha to cheat, nor is it factual that it was OOC.

"In real life some cheaters don't look like cheaters" Yeah ok in RL sure, but what about Occams razor.

Look we don't have any evidence either way, what little we do have makes Bulma the more likely one, especially as she was living in close proximity to the one she ended up with, yet we know nothing about Yamchas social life, except you know, that he is SCARED OF WOMEN.

[SSJFinny]

I think piccolo and gohan seriously got derailed in the buu arc. Piccolo was turned into a baby sitter and gohan had a cool moment with the mystic upgrade but still got kicked to the curb by getting absorbed.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I think piccolo and gohan seriously got derailed in the buu arc. Piccolo was turned into a baby sitter and gohan had a cool moment with the mystic upgrade but still got kicked to the curb by getting absorbed.

Piccolo's always been a baby sitter...

[DBZAOTA482]

You seem to stubbornly hold on to the "Yamcha's a cheater" theory Saiga, one can assume you have a bias against the guy.

Not biased at all, I'm just sick of seeing everyone making excuses for the guy.

Yamcha does have a fanbase, you know. Of course there would be people that would give him a benefit of a doubt.

I think piccolo and gohan seriously got derailed in the buu arc. Piccolo was turned into a baby sitter and gohan had a cool moment with the mystic upgrade but still got kicked to the curb by getting absorbed.

Piccolo's always been a baby sitter...

Yeah... but he was like the Batman of Dragon Ball Z in the previous story arcs. In the Boo Saga, he was just a grumpy grandpa.

[TobyS]

You seem to stubbornly hold on to the "Yamcha's a cheater" theory Saiga, one can assume you have a bias against the guy.

Not biased at all, I'm just sick of seeing everyone making excuses for the guy.

Everyone?

Most people hate on him and call a guy who is human like them, but who could destroy the planet with a wave of his hand 'weak'.... while they celebrate a midget genocidal egotist as a cool character.

What forum have you been on where the humans are not the underdogs in the fandom?

[SSJFinny]

Yes but piccolo was a cool babysitter who took training serious and made sure his students actually learned, and i agree he was like the batman of the series. He never got stronger and didn't fight anyone in the entire arc he threw like one ki blast.

[Gaffer Tape]

I disagree about Piccolo, actually, and I know I'm in the minority, but I feel the Boo arc actually got him back on track after he'd languished in the Freeza and Cell arcs doing nothing but getting an OMGAWESOME power up that amounts to absolutely nothing and ends up accomplishing nothing but him getting his ass kicked and then shoved into the background. But in the Boo arc, he's finally given important and damned funny stuffy to do.

[DBZAOTA482]

I disagree about Piccolo, actually, and I know I'm in the minority, but I feel the Boo arc actually got him back on track after he'd languished in the Freeza and Cell arcs doing nothing but getting an OMGAWESOME power up that amounts to absolutely nothing and ends up accomplishing nothing but him getting his ass kicked and then shoved into the background. But in the Boo arc, he's finally given important and damned funny stuffy to do.

It's not like they gave people the Gohan treatment where half the arc builds him up to be the Earth's new savior only to act like a moron later on because the plot demands it and get beaten up in 2 episodes. That said, I thought he was quite entertaining in the Boo Saga but I don't want screaming and yelling to be all he does. That, and being chewed out by Bulma.

P.S. He was in many fights in the Cell arc.

[Saiga]

"In real life some cheaters don't look like cheaters" Yeah ok in RL sure, but what about Occams razor.

Look we don't have any evidence either way, what little we do have makes Bulma the more likely one, especially as she was living in close proximity to the one she ended up with, yet we know nothing about Yamchas social life, except you know, that he is SCARED OF WOMEN.

Applying Occam's razor, he was called a cheater, it was never disputed, so he is a cheater.

Bulma's behaviour doesn't make her any more likely to be a cheater. And Yamcha had plenty of time to get over his gynophobia (though I addressed that in the other thread).

And while "everyone" is an exaggeration, the humans are certainly not underdogs here at Kanzenshuu. The forum is crawling with posts about how they're underrated or the Saiyans hogged the spotlight blah blah blah. You are simply not the minority.

@DBZAOTA I'm aware he has a fanbase. That doesn't make the excuses any less annoying, since there is no reason to make them except to make Yamcha look better than the story actually does. Yet I'm apparently the bias one.

I disagree about Piccolo, actually, and I know I'm in the minority, but I feel the Boo arc actually got him back on track after he'd languished in the Freeza and Cell arcs doing nothing but getting an OMGAWESOME power up that amounts to absolutely nothing and ends up accomplishing nothing but him getting his ass kicked and then shoved into the background. But in the Boo arc, he's finally given important and damned funny stuffy to do.

I agree with this. The battles he had weren't very interesting ones, but his Boo arc antics were great to watch.

[DBZAOTA482]

Yeah....but wasn't Bulma dicking around with Vegeta before that happened?

[Saiga]

Yeah....but wasn't Bulma dicking around with Vegeta before that happened?

Trunks and Toriyama seem to imply that it happened after Yamcha cheated.

[DBZAOTA482]

Yeah....but wasn't Bulma dicking around with Vegeta before that happened?

Trunks and Toriyama seem to imply that it happened after Yamcha cheated.

How?

[Saiga]

Yeah....but wasn't Bulma dicking around with Vegeta before that happened?

Trunks and Toriyama seem to imply that it happened after Yamcha cheated.

How?

Because they broke up as a result of Yamcha's cheating, and then she got with Vegeta.

[Ninja Murasaki]

You seem to stubbornly hold on to the "Yamcha's a cheater" theory Saiga, one can assume you have a bias against the guy.

Not biased at all, I'm just sick of seeing everyone making excuses for the guy.

Since I first came here, you've been constantly going about you're hatred of Yamcha. Enough already, you're being annoying and rude.

We're sick of you making excuses for Bulma and Vegeta or saying other characters suck.

[Saiga]

Since I first came here, you've been constantly going about you're hatred of Yamcha. Enough already, you're being annoying and rude.

We're sick of you making excuses for Bulma and Vegeta or saying other characters suck.

No, I don't hate him. As I keep telling you. Repeatedly.

You're the one who is being rude, by constantly ignoring what I say, attacking me over minor things, or putting words in my mouth. Why don't you just knock it off?