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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by KingofWisdom » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:41 pm

I agree with the TFS sentiment (no disrespect to anyone who enjoys their work). I liked the first two episodes, then began my love-hate relationship with the series. I consistently watched up 'til the end of the Saiyan arc, but gave up hope at Ghost Nappa's appearance.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by CaBrPi » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:45 pm

Ghost Nappa is hardly even a thing... He goes away permanently at the end of the Freeza arc anyway...

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by KingofWisdom » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:51 pm

I still don't really like what they did with the Freeza saga. I've watched at least one or two episodes. To me, the best episodes will always be one and two. I just really like the dynamic that Piccolo and Goku had, and the humor wasn't too random yet (other than Goku asking if Piccolo is a Yoshi).
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Pretorious » Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:43 am

- I love movie 7. Like...I think it's my favorite. Partly because it was my first exposure to Japanese Dragon Ball after only having seen the ocean dub of DBZ, and partly because I like the environments (city scenes are always a treat), color palette (lots of blues), and character designs. Especially that little robot with the big hat. I love that guy.

- I don't like Vegeta that much. So whiney. So. whiney.

- I don't like movie 8 that much. Vegeta is ridiculously lame in this movie. And it's long and boring.

- I think Cell is kind of lame. The bad guy who has all the powers of all the characters? That seems too easy and too cliche to me. He doesn't even have an interesting personality to make up for it.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by TheGreatness25 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:00 am

Here's one. I can watch and actually enjoy GT. It isn't easy to sit through some stuff, but I like the continuation and knowing that "life goes on" for the characters.

I also hate that many things are coming out in the last few years because I think they're unoriginal and boring and I can't stand it tarnishing the memory of the series for me. Many people love the Jump Special and the Episode of Bardock and are excited for the Battle of the Gods movie, but I dislike all that stuff and just know in my.guts that the movie will be horrible (in my opinion).

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Ringworm128 » Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:43 am

I like the synthetic pop rock sound used in the Faulconer Productions score and think it's just as fitting for DBZ as the sound Shunsuke Kikuchi used.
I like the way Vegeta is portrayed in Movie 8, it makes you realize just how terrifying Broli must be to Vegeta and it makes it more triumphant when Vegeta finally stands up to Broli.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by DragonBoxZTheMovies » Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:54 pm

The Cell Games was the weakest climax of the four climaxes in the DBZ portion of the series.

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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:08 pm

DragonBoxZTheMovies wrote:The Cell Games was the weakest climax of the four climaxes in the DBZ portion of the series.
So, you think a climax that actually has a remotely meaningful message to send is weaker than a Deux Ex Machina (Majin Boo Saga)? I know it's just an opinion but it still flabbergasts me.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by DragonBoxZTheMovies » Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:20 pm

"Weakest" may have been a bad choice of words. I dunno, maybe simply "least favourite" says it better.

I really do want to like this portion of the series and it was my favourite as a kid, and there is definitely a lot of good stuff in it like Goku's sacrifice, Gohan's transformation, etc. but watching it on DBox 5 recently, I wasn't overly impressed by it (I did enjoy it in the Manga though, and I haven't seen Kai in a while).

Maybe I need to give it a re-watch without Mr. Satan constantly popping in and out with his comments, but I really did enjoy the final Genki Dama, Goku vs. Freeza (DBKai) and Goku vs. Vegeta that little bit more.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Attitudefan » Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:07 pm

Ocean Dub provides better voices, even on their worst days, than most of the FUNi cast. It's more about delivery than the voice itself. Delivery is very important. Also, you guys need to re-watch Dead Zone with the Ocean Cast. Don Brown's Garlic Jr is not too far off from the Japanese version and sounds threatening; actually, he is the on of the most successful DB villains! Funimations voices for Dead Zone are weak, and sound too much like a parody than a serious effort for a movie dub.

Also, Ten vs Yamcha is one of the best fights in the whole series. It's just too damn awesome.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by DBZ Mick » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:10 pm

DragonBoxZTheMovies wrote:The Cell Games was the weakest climax of the four climaxes in the DBZ portion of the series.
It's certainly the best part of those respective arcs- Artifical Human and Cell arcs IMO. Those arcs were a mess apart from Trunks killing Freeza and Cold (which I still like despite thinking Freeza should have stayed dead on Namek), the early Artifical Human stuff (maybe until Vegeta destroys #19) and when Cell first appears.


Which leads me to say as a whole I think the highs of the Boo arc are better than almost everything in the Artifical Human/Cell arcs. I think the Artifical Humans are the worst villians of all Dragonball.
It is in his character to be rude and a bit crass. He's a hick, with no formal education. That is Son Goku. That is who he is.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Ringworm128 » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:37 pm

Attitudefan wrote:Ocean Dub provides better voices, even on their worst days, than most of the FUNi cast. It's more about delivery than the voice itself. Delivery is very important. Also, you guys need to re-watch Dead Zone with the Ocean Cast. Don Brown's Garlic Jr is not too far off from the Japanese version and sounds threatening; actually, he is the on of the most successful DB villains! Funimations voices for Dead Zone are weak, and sound too much like a parody than a serious effort for a movie dub.

Also, Ten vs Yamcha is one of the best fights in the whole series. It's just too damn awesome.
I'm on the complete opposite end, I've always thought the only time Ocean did a better then Funi were the first 3 films (even then I still think Funi has the better voices for the main villains). The Ocean dub for the Saiyan/Namek arcs is decent but it's filled with over the top momments like "OVER 9000!" Ian Corletts extremely overrated Hayden Christensen-esc performance as Goku that gives 1999 Sean Schemmel a run for his money doesn't help either. The Cell/Andriod arc is pretty much a joke with a couple of good screams here and there, and the Buu arc ranges from decent to somewhat decent.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Pretorious » Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:01 pm

DragonBoxZTheMovies wrote: Maybe I need to give it a re-watch without Mr. Satan constantly popping in and out with his comments [...]
Yes to this. Mr. Satan comes really close to ruining the whole Cell Games for me. He is the freaking Jar Jar Binks of Dragon Ball. He is just one joke that repeats over and over and over and over, and it's not even that funny the first time. Every time I hear "t-t-t-trick" I groan.

Even worse are his pupils. The episode where he and his pupils fight Cell is horrible. It is the only episode that I actually hate. It really pains me to say that, though.

Wow, I feel bad about how harsh that sounded. That's probably the most negative I will ever be about anything Dragon Ball, thank goodness, but it really bugs me.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

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Pretorious wrote:
DragonBoxZTheMovies wrote: Maybe I need to give it a re-watch without Mr. Satan constantly popping in and out with his comments [...]
Yes to this. Mr. Satan comes really close to ruining the whole Cell Games for me. He is the freaking Jar Jar Binks of Dragon Ball. He is just one joke that repeats over and over and over and over, and it's not even that funny the first time. Every time I hear "t-t-t-trick" I groan.
No, Kaioshin is the Jar Jar Binks of Dragon Ball.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Post by Gonstead » Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:54 am

Tien is a boring character.
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Post by Saiga » Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:58 am

Gonstead wrote:Tenshinhan is a boring character.
He does seem to be the least interesting of the humans.
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:16 am

Saiga wrote:
Gonstead wrote:Tenshinhan is a boring character.
He does seem to be the least interesting of the humans.
I liked him best during the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai when he and his gay lover Chaozu actually had personalities.

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DragonBoxZTheMovies wrote:The Cell Games was the weakest climax of the four climaxes in the DBZ portion of the series.
It's certainly the best part of those respective arcs- Artifical Human and Cell arcs IMO. Those arcs were a mess apart from Trunks killing Freeza and Cold (which I still like despite thinking Freeza should have stayed dead on Namek), the early Artifical Human stuff (maybe until Vegeta destroys #19) and when Cell first appears.


Which leads me to say as a whole I think the highs of the Boo arc are better than almost everything in the Artifical Human/Cell arcs. I think the Artifical Humans are the worst villians of all Dragonball.
The Boo arc isn't exactly the most tightly woven story arc itself. Aside from adding closure to Goku and Vegeta's rivarly, and everything before Boo was hatched it was a huge clusterfuck of mergers, transformations, and power-ups. Not to mention it's ultimately pointless, and Boo itself wasn't terribly threatening.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

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Pretorious wrote:
DragonBoxZTheMovies wrote: Maybe I need to give it a re-watch without Mr. Satan constantly popping in and out with his comments [...]
Yes to this. Mr. Satan comes really close to ruining the whole Cell Games for me. He is the freaking Jar Jar Binks of Dragon Ball. He is just one joke that repeats over and over and over and over, and it's not even that funny the first time. Every time I hear "t-t-t-trick" I groan.

Even worse are his pupils. The episode where he and his pupils fight Cell is horrible. It is the only episode that I actually hate. It really pains me to say that, though.

Wow, I feel bad about how harsh that sounded. That's probably the most negative I will ever be about anything Dragon Ball, thank goodness, but it really bugs me.
Personally, I quite like that episode. But I do get your point on how annoying Mr. Satan could be, in the frequency he showed up in the Cell Games episodes. They really did beat that joke into the ground. Still, episode-padding filler. What can you do? ... Well, other than wait longer to adapt a manga to allow for the manga to give enough material to adapt without having to resort to that... Buuuuuut, of course, that's not exactly feasible.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Rocketman » Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:18 pm

The best part of the Majin Buu arc (besides Vegetto) is that Toonami ad with the radio broadcast.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by CaBrPi » Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:22 pm

Rocketman wrote:The best part of the Majin Buu arc (besides Vegetto) is that Toonami ad with the radio broadcast.
Narrated by Peter Cullen.

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