How could Nappa have killed Piccolo?

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How could Nappa have killed Piccolo?

Post by Vaeran » Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:07 am

This is probably another one of those DB questions whose only real answer is "shhhhhh...", but I'm going to go ahead and ask it anyway.

During the Buu arc, Piccolo of course gets petrified by Dabura, and then Chibi Trunks accidentally smashes his "statue" into itty bitty pieces. Dabura bites it a bit later, releasing the stone curse, and suddenly Piccolo's back in mint condition. He explains that he can regenerate any amount of damage, as long as his head is intact.

Maybe you can guess where this is going. When Piccolo jumps in front of Nappa's blast to save Gohan way back in the Saiyajin arc, it fries him up pretty good, but he's still clearly in one piece. How, then, was this enough to kill him? I mean, it's just not like Toriyama to be inconsistent...!

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Post by Mr. Announcer » Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:33 am

Well, I'm pretty sure regeneration requires a certain amount of energy, probably a lot actually. After Piccolo had taken the full power of that blast, expending his remaining energy to save Gohan's life, he had none to spare for himself. Up until that point, we'd only seen him regenerate arms. Maybe he didn't even have the strength to fully regenerate his body until later. At least, that's how I'd wiggle out of that one.
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Post by Kendamu » Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:47 am

I'd have to agree. It prbably takes a decent amount of Ki to regenerate a limb, let alone his whole body. By the time the Buu arc came around Piccolo had enough Chi to regenerate almost as well as Cell. Since Cell's regeneration ability came from Piccolo, wither enough training Piccolo could probably learn to regerate just like Cell did.

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Post by ShadowAssailantX » Sun Mar 19, 2006 3:02 am

Vaeran wrote:He explains that he can regenerate any amount of damage, as long as his head is intact.
Hell, if any amount of damage could be recovered from, Daimao shouldn't have died either. And it would really give Piccolo an unfair advantage against everyone else, especially so early on in the story.
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Post by Xyex » Sun Mar 19, 2006 5:42 am

Kendamu wrote:I'd have to agree. It prbably takes a decent amount of Ki to regenerate a limb, let alone his whole body. By the time the Buu arc came around Piccolo had enough Chi to regenerate almost as well as Cell. Since Cell's regeneration ability came from Piccolo, wither enough training Piccolo could probably learn to regerate just like Cell did.
Agreed. If you'll note, he didn't repair his arm against Raditz until after the fight. Obviously he didn't want to use up that much energy regenerating while someone that strong was there fighting him. So fighting one armed was less of a handicap than using energy to regenerate the arm.

Plus, against Cell. He had to stall him in order to gather the energy needed to regenerate his arm IIRC. So even at that point he couldn't just blink an eye and fix a missing limb. By the Buu saga his regenerative abilities had probably advanced considerably.

At least, it works as an IC explanation for things. Mainly, though, I'd say Toriyama-sama just went with what he wanted. Like Cell losing his head to Goku's Warp Kamehameha and still regenerating while later climbing his nucleus (in his head) was needed for regenerating.
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Re: How could Nappa have killed Piccolo?

Post by Chaos Saiyajin » Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:21 am

Vaeran wrote:This is probably another one of those DB questions whose only real answer is "shhhhhh...", but I'm going to go ahead and ask it anyway.

During the Buu arc, Piccolo of course gets petrified by Dabura, and then Chibi Trunks accidentally smashes his "statue" into itty bitty pieces. Dabura bites it a bit later, releasing the stone curse, and suddenly Piccolo's back in mint condition. He explains that he can regenerate any amount of damage, as long as his head is intact.

Maybe you can guess where this is going. When Piccolo jumps in front of Nappa's blast to save Gohan way back in the Saiyajin arc, it fries him up pretty good, but he's still clearly in one piece. How, then, was this enough to kill him? I mean, it's just not like Toriyama to be inconsistent...!
:shock: I always thought Piccolo putting himself back together after being shattered by Goten and Trunks was filler! *nervous laugh* :oops:

Clearly, Nappa's blast killed Piccolo because Piccolo had already been beaten to the point of almost death, leaving him no ki to regenerate with.
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Post by Dayspring » Sun Mar 19, 2006 10:48 am

Xyex wrote:
Kendamu wrote:I'd have to agree. It prbably takes a decent amount of Ki to regenerate a limb, let alone his whole body. By the time the Buu arc came around Piccolo had enough Chi to regenerate almost as well as Cell. Since Cell's regeneration ability came from Piccolo, wither enough training Piccolo could probably learn to regerate just like Cell did.
Agreed. If you'll note, he didn't repair his arm against Raditz until after the fight. Obviously he didn't want to use up that much energy regenerating while someone that strong was there fighting him. So fighting one armed was less of a handicap than using energy to regenerate the arm.
This is also confirmed when Nail fought Freeza. After regenerating his arm, Freeza's scouter noted that Nail's strength lowered significantly.
Xyex wrote:Plus, against Cell. He had to stall him in order to gather the energy needed to regenerate his arm IIRC.
Actually that was to make Cell think Piccolo was defeated so that he'd blab.
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Post by Bejiita » Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:01 am

It was probably due to him being out of energy, and it's not as if any of his limbs were cut off. Piccolo can regenrate his limbs but he can't regenerate in the same way Majin Buu does, which would be restoring all of your own energy.

If anything after Nail regenerates an arm, Freeza even says that your energy hasn't been restored, just his limb.

Anyway, Piccolo was in perfect condition before being turned to stone, so his energy was fully intact, so regenerating would have been normal, and it was only meant as a little shock for people who don't know, I mean, when I first saw those episodes I was new to series, being a late Z starter, so I was unaware of Piccolo's regenerating. My friend spolied it and said 'he can grow back his body if his head ain't damaged.'

Must have been quite nasty seeing his own legs and arms(the old ones :roll: ) on the ground after spawning new ones.
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Post by desirecampbell » Sun Mar 19, 2006 3:28 pm

When fighting Cell the first time, Piccolo rips off his arms, then regenerates it. He doesn't just 'heal it' like Dende does, he needs to make a whole new one. Durring the fight with Nappa, he doesn't get anything chopped off, he just getts beaten up. If Nappa had cut off his legs or something Piccolo could 'theoretically' have regenerated them. But he couldn't if Nappa had just broken his legs. The legs are still there.

Now, if he had the energy needed to regenerated such massive parts of his body... that's another question entirely :P

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Post by Pedro The Hutt » Sun Mar 19, 2006 5:51 pm

He regenerated with the power of plot device. =D

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Post by Silent_Rage » Sun Apr 02, 2006 12:54 am

It's also possible that he never had this power back then.

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Post by Victator Supreme » Sun Apr 02, 2006 4:52 pm

Where was it ever said that regeneration equals immortality?

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Re: How could Nappa have killed Piccolo?

Post by Steven Perry » Tue Apr 04, 2006 1:51 pm

Vaeran wrote: He explains that he can regenerate any amount of damage, as long as his head is intact.
Mr. Announcer wrote: Well, I'm pretty sure regeneration requires a certain amount of energy.
You can't store enough energy to regenerate in your head! How's Piccolo supposed to have energy if he doesn't eat food, anyway? I've heard that he only drinks water. How many calories are in water? Oh yeah, when he was about to sacrifice himself for Gohan, why didn't he split into two and use the other one as a shield?
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Re: How could Nappa have killed Piccolo?

Post by Duo » Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:25 pm

Steven Perry wrote:
Vaeran wrote: He explains that he can regenerate any amount of damage, as long as his head is intact.
Mr. Announcer wrote: Well, I'm pretty sure regeneration requires a certain amount of energy.
You can't store enough energy to regenerate in your head! How's Piccolo supposed to have energy if he doesn't eat food, anyway? I've heard that he only drinks water. How many calories are in water? Oh yeah, when he was about to sacrifice himself for Gohan, why didn't he split into two and use the other one as a shield?
Because the event of his sacrifice occurs in the Manga, whereas any and all cases of him using Shishin was Anime exclusive, and thus when Toriyama-sensei wrote that event out as it was, Toei animation had to follow, despite having created a smarter way out.

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Post by Victator Supreme » Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:04 pm

You can't store enough energy to regenerate in your head! How's Piccolo supposed to have energy if he doesn't eat food, anyway? I've heard that he only drinks water. How many calories are in water? Oh yeah, when he was about to sacrifice himself for Gohan, why didn't he split into two and use the other one as a shield?
He's an alien, its been stated that namekian's are very different than Saiyans or humans, in the sense they don't eat and they reproduce asexually. They do produce KI though.

As for why he didn't spilt into two there are a two reasons

1. He had just taken a very bad beating and was on the verge of death.

2. He never actually did the multiman technique in the manga.

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Re: How could Nappa have killed Piccolo?

Post by Vaeran » Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:42 pm

Steven Perry wrote: Oh yeah, when he was about to sacrifice himself for Gohan, why didn't he split into two and use the other one as a shield?
Well, using that technique divides your strength by however many copies you make, right? Thus he'd become two half-strength Piccolos, and throw one of those in front of the blast. But at half-strength, the blast probably would have vaporized the copy outright and gone on to hurt or kill Gohan as well. Not enough stopping power.

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Re: How could Nappa have killed Piccolo?

Post by Duo » Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:24 am

Vaeran wrote:
Steven Perry wrote: Oh yeah, when he was about to sacrifice himself for Gohan, why didn't he split into two and use the other one as a shield?
Well, using that technique divides your strength by however many copies you make, right? Thus he'd become two half-strength Piccolos, and throw one of those in front of the blast. But at half-strength, the blast probably would have vaporized the copy outright and gone on to hurt or kill Gohan as well. Not enough stopping power.
Or you could read the two posts before yours that give the actual answer.

Toriyama-sensei didn't give Piccolo the Shishin technique, and so he isn't capable of using it during any canon event.

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Re: How could Nappa have killed Piccolo?

Post by Vaeran » Sat Apr 08, 2006 4:22 pm

Duo wrote:Or you could read the two posts before yours that give the actual answer.
Actually, in your post you state that Toei had created "a smarter way out" by giving Piccolo the technique, and I'm saying that wouldn't have worked to begin with. Besides, external answers ("Toriyama hadn't thought of that yet", "it was done for dramatic effect", etc.) are never as much fun as trying to figure out reasons within the show's own logic.

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Post by Duo » Sat Apr 08, 2006 4:54 pm

I'm not a big fan of the "Dramatic effect" answers either, but this one is quite obvious. Oh well, I don't really care enough to go anywhere with this. Peace.

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Post by desirecampbell » Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:00 pm

How about this: Picolo could have used shishin to save Gohan, but he either didn't have time, or didn't think about it. Okay?

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