Goku and women

[DBZGTKOSDH]

This begs the question, "what do you think canon means?"

Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I know, canon is the word to describe whatever is officially accepted that it happened in the story-line. In Dragon Ball's case, no official source has ever said "this & that happened, but not this & that", except for the what-ifs in the video games. So, there is not an official canon for Dragon Ball, everything is what it is.

[shreddinghead]

As for Goku being not all that intelligent, he isn't but it's by upbringing and choice. He grew up away from civilization, and was likely only taught how to survive, fight and communicate verbally by Son Gohan. Maybe a few other things about the outside world, but not much. I think he had the capacity to learn, but his interests weren't in anything academic. He liked to push himself physically and that's where he put his mental and physical efforts. As is shown throughout the series, Goku is a VERY intelligent fighter. I'd say he's a fighting genius. The only times he was bested in battle were when his opponent was stronger, not because they were better tacticians.

He was taught in theoretical disciplines by master roshi when being his student as a kid, and he makes academic references in z, he's not a scholar but i'm positive that his life doesn't revolve intirely around fighting, i'm sure he reads a book every now and then. Other than sucking in math and lacking social graces, goku is of average intelligence, he's not a rocket scientist he's not dim-witted neither.

[ABED]

This begs the question, "what do you think canon means?"

Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I know, canon is the word to describe whatever is officially accepted that it happened in the story-line. In Dragon Ball's case, no official source has ever said "this & that happened, but not this & that", except for the what-ifs in the video games. So, there is not an official canon for Dragon Ball, everything is what it is.

I take it as implicit that whatever the author writes is canon, unless said otherwise. Everything else is filler, fan fiction, etc.

[Nex Carnifex]

The movies aren't canon, but Toriyama watched them and said that he thinks of them as being alternate universe, so I guess that makes them canon in a way?

[GS7X7]

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Given that he looks like Frankenstein's monster, I'd say it's pretty disgusting. Also, I remember the chart I think you are referring to, and I don't remember it saying he was anything other than synthetic."


Okay he's ugly but aside from that (and the possibility he can never have kids) he's a terrific guy. If he looked like Future Trunks everyone would be talking about how perfect he was as hubby material, so he does have everything else minus looks at least. (plus he's insanely strong, not comparing him to the god-like Z Fighters)

[Bussani]

Given that he looks like Frankenstein's monster, I'd say it's pretty disgusting. Also, I remember the chart I think you are referring to, and I don't remember it saying he was anything other than synthetic.

Sorry, I was wrong. It's actually from his Daizenshuu 7 entry.

Being a human-base, he's a formal human. At Goku's suggestion, he changes his name to Hacchan. He had a self-destruction mechanism equipped inside his body, but it has now been removed, and he lives with the mayor of Jingle Village.

This begs the question, "what do you think canon means?"

It's whatever an individual or group defines it as, so it's possible to have multiple canons. Mike wrote a good blog post on the matter.

Rather than "there is no canon", I think it's more accurate to say that there's no official, agreed upon canon that's been laid out for us. And even if there was, that wouldn't stop fans from making a separate, non-official canon...not that I can think of many good reasons for doing so.

[GS7X7]

So... what exactly is 8er anyway? Is he pure robot or was he an engineered human?

His Frankenstein looks suggest a revived corpse.

[ABED]

So... what exactly is 8er anyway? Is he pure robot or was he an engineered human?

His Frankenstein looks suggest a revived corpse.

That's what I was getting at. Ha-chan is a great guy, but there's an icky-ness factor with the idea that Suno would hook up with a reanimated corpse.

[Teh]

How did Goku or Vegeta have sex which resulted in 2 kids each? I just can't imagine it...

[Chuquita]

Well, Vegeta and Bulma I can understand. I feel like they've got one of those relationships where their arguments with one another escalate into sex (not all the time, but a good chunk of the time). I feel like they probably do it pretty often.

Goku and Chi-Chi however...it's so difficult to picture that without it being funny, because Goku's just the most non-sexual character who's in a relationship in this series. I feel sad for Chi-Chi, but at the same time...it's so weirdly humorous to picture Goku even trying to be that way.

Maybe if Goku had ever shown being attracted to anyone in the series I'd be able to buy it, but it just feels ooc to me otherwise.

[DBZAOTA482]

How did Goku or Vegeta have sex which resulted in 2 kids each? I just can't imagine it...

Bulma and Chi-Chi probably came at them first, and instinct took over. Eventually, they saw pleasure in this activity and the rest is history.

[GS7X7]

Well, Vegeta and Bulma I can understand. I feel like they've got one of those relationships where their arguments with one another escalate into sex (not all the time, but a good chunk of the time). I feel like they probably do it pretty often.

Goku and Chi-Chi however...it's so difficult to picture that without it being funny, because Goku's just the most non-sexual character who's in a relationship in this series. I feel sad for Chi-Chi, but at the same time...it's so weirdly humorous to picture Goku even trying to be that way.

Maybe if Goku had ever shown being attracted to anyone in the series I'd be able to buy it, but it just feels ooc to me otherwise.

Still not as awkward as the idea of Luffy having sex with anyone, lol.

[Insertclevername]

I used to think Gohan having sex was weird but after that pelvic thrusting in the new trailer, it all makes sense now.

As for Gokuu, I like to think he just doesn't show his "romantic" side either on the page or on screen. So...yeah...

[soulnova]

As an interesting bit of information: May 8th, Age 756 was Goku's and Chi's wedding.

Gohan was born in May, Age 757.

Which means Gohan had to be conceived after August 8th. AUGUST. Three months. In my head canon, Goku did nothing with Chichi during all that time after the wedding. He would simply go to sleep and ignore all of Chi-chi's advances like some strange quirk of hers.

I picture Chi-chi going through many stages... anything from "Teehee-hee, yes! Lets go to 'sleep'... wah? he's sleep...ok ", "This is not funny anymore", "is there something wrong with me?","IMUSTBEHIDEOUS!*bawls*", "ohmygod, what if he's gay", ... and Goku just wondering why the hell she's so upset.

[Bussani]

So... what exactly is 8er anyway? Is he pure robot or was he an engineered human?

If you look at my post above, Daizenshuu 7 says he was built from a human, just like #17 and #18.

That's what I was getting at. Ha-chan is a great guy, but there's an icky-ness factor with the idea that Suno would hook up with a reanimated corpse.

"Chicks dig scars", apparently.

[MCDaveG]

I really don't wanna imagine sex scene with two animated characters and on top of that, one of them is Goku..... really, please don't write anything like that!!!
You will mess the kid inside my head then.

[ABED]

They did nothing for three months, OR it's possible that she just didn't get pregnant in those three months regardless of them trying.

[Cold Skin]

It's not that surprising that he now knows about everything about interactions with women, Goku just didn't know about it first, but Chichi made him discover how to.
I don't think it was akward at all and that she had to work hard for it, Goku is playful and loves what feels good!

Remember that scene when he sleeps on Bulma because he sees an occasion of doing something he knows feels good? That kiddish smile on his face and his "hey, it's been a little while, why not try it again a little, it feels pretty good!" attitude?
Well, that's just how it must go from time to time with Chichi, once he'd tried it once.

I even think Goku is actually the one to ask for it sometimes, and when Chichi does, he must just smile and say "oh yeah, why not?" just as casually as if someone proposed him one of his tasty anime-exclusive "sports drink"!
Goku's general lifestyle, including fighting, eating, sleeping and having sex: "feels good, why not?" with a kiddish smile like that smily:

If you hadn't seen him casually driving before the Cell Game, you would naturally think Goku is still akward around cars. And yet no, he's evolved much.
So just because you don't see that it now feels natural to him to have romantic interactions with his wife doesn't mean it's akward for him, and Goten is a living proof that Goku pretty much enjoys doing it just for the hell of it! He's just a dad like any other, who happens to not overthink things, is obsessed with his passion (namely fighting, granted, not all dads share that passion)... and saves the world sometimes (granted, not all dads do that either).

The only thing he wouldn't know how to do, because he never had an occasion to, is how to hit on a woman if he didn't have Chichi.
He fell in love with Chichi as they were already together, likely because they both accept each other's identity and priorities in the end, completing each other well, one dealing with good education and social duties, the other dealing with fun times and saving the world.
But then, that's kind of how it works a lot nowadays: you're with someone first because it's convenient since you gotta have someone and you're both free, and then as you see each other often you get the right to develop feelings and say you love the other after a few months only. First you're together as a couple, THEN you possibly fall in love. It was such a case with Goku, he fell in love as they got to know each other by already being together.
Anyway, seducing would be what he can't to, but being attracted, loving a woman and handling his relationship like any boyfriend/husband - including having frequent sexual encounters - should be not problem!

[Eire]

As an interesting bit of information: May 8th, Age 756 was Goku's and Chi's wedding.

Gohan was born in May, Age 757.

Which means Gohan had to be conceived after August 8th. AUGUST. Three months. In my head canon, Goku did nothing with Chichi during all that time after the wedding. He would simply go to sleep and ignore all of Chi-chi's advances like some strange quirk of hers.

I know that in fiction you need just to sit on guy pants to get pregnant, but c'mon according to WHO infertility can be diagnosed after two years of natural sexual life without conception.

[soulnova]

Just my head canon. Sure, they could have gone at it for three full months without luck until Gohan happened.