How violent will the new movie be?

[Ginkasa]

Don't discredit my sentiment if you can't give an argument as to why its so silly. And good opinions are usually based upon facts and reasoning you silly head.

I didn't discredit nor was I intending to discredit your sentiment. I was expressing my own personal opinion about the sentiment you previously expressed. And opinions are based off of personal experiences and prefernces; the "facts and reasoning" involved will differ person to person.

But, whatever, I'm not really interested in getting into a measuring contest. I don't think DBZ was good because of blood and gore. I don't think blood and gore made DBZ better than it would have been without it. I think people who hold the blood and gore to such a high level in DB/Z are missing the point. You disagree.

[Insertclevername]

I expect some blood being seen coming out of someones mouth when they're punched but nothing more than that. I don't feel this film is going to be all too dark (not that you need to be dark to have blood but it would clash with the mood). So yeah, a few spits here and there, and maybe a few cuts and bruises after Birusu.

[Nex Carnifex]

Don't discredit my sentiment if you can't give an argument as to why its so silly. And good opinions are usually based upon facts and reasoning you silly head.

I didn't discredit nor was I intending to discredit your sentiment. I was expressing my own personal opinion about the sentiment you previously expressed. And opinions are based off of personal experiences and prefernces; the "facts and reasoning" involved will differ person to person.

But, whatever, I'm not really interested in getting into a measuring contest. I don't think DBZ was good because of blood and gore. I don't think blood and gore made DBZ better than it would have been without it. I think people who hold the blood and gore to such a high level in DB/Z are missing the point. You disagree.

Missing the point of what? Dragon Ball was never trying to make a point all it was trying to do was be cool and fun, that's exactly why it was violent. Yeah it did well in america while censored, but what made people even more interested was discovering that it was indeed censored, and then you could go see how it originally was, and it was much grittier and more brutal. It's one of the many things that makes an action-centric series like DBZ exciting. I guess you can have your opinion that violence doesn't matter in an action series, but honestly I find that very silly, and unlike you I can back up my opinion with reasoning and examples which I have done. And I guess that its your opinion that calling me silly isn't attempting to discredit the point I was trying to make, well that is also silly, so go on and be silly, silly man.

I expect some blood being seen coming out of someones mouth when they're punched but nothing more than that. I don't feel this film is going to be all too dark (not that you need to be dark to have blood but it would clash with the mood). So yeah, a few spits here and there, and maybe a few cuts and bruises after Birusu.

Yeah probably, its not as if Birusu is equipped with crazy monster powers to make for some weird ass executions like Cell or Buu, but I'd like if BIrusu died in maybe a more fantastical way than just being disintegrated by an energy ball/blast, since that's pretty predictable after Cell and Buu.

[Gaffer Tape]

I don't disagree that Dragon Ball has lots of fantasy violence, blood, etc. What I do disagree with is that this movie's presence of or lack of those elements will make or break it and the assertion that it's the blood and gore that creates drama. I'm sorry, but I just couldn't disagree more. Story and characters create drama. You can pour in buckets and buckets of blood and never have it resonate, and you can have a completely bloodless fight and wring emotion out of it if you do it properly. Look at Avatar: The Last Airbender or Batman: The Animated Series, both of which had gripping drama and action with hardly any blood whatsoever.

[Nex Carnifex]

I don't disagree that Dragon Ball has lots of fantasy violence, blood, etc. What I do disagree with is that this movie's presence of or lack of those elements will make or break it and the assertion that it's the blood and gore that creates drama. I'm sorry, but I just couldn't disagree more. Story and characters create drama. You can pour in buckets and buckets of blood and never have it resonate, and you can have a completely bloodless fight and wring emotion out of it if you do it properly. Look at Avatar: The Last Airbender or Batman: The Animated Series, both of which had gripping drama and action with hardly any blood whatsoever.

For a series like Dragon Ball, a lot of the times the disturbing moments did in fact greatly enhance the feelings of despair and drama. When I was watching Dragon Ball Kai with my mom, I clearly remember her reaction when Frieza was suddenly cut to pieces by his own energy discs. She let out of shocked gasp, and the severity of Freeza's injuries definitely made the epic feeling that things have finally come to a sudden end all the more satisfying, this is one of the many examples I can give where violence and gore were important in driving the dramatic elements in the Dragon Ball story forward. But really, all of these events I believe really helped make Dragon Ball what it is today. That isn't an opinion that's an observation. Story and characters are definitely important, Dragon Ball has a few very memorable, colorful characters, and the story is definitely fun and entertaining in its own right, but if the violence and fighting were dumbed down I know for a fact I wouldn't be as interested as would all the people I've watching it with, and I'm sure that isn't just me and them. So maybe you don't really care about visuals as much as I do, but that isn't to say I'm silly for thinking that such things are indeed important. Some people probably even like censored porn, but honestly this movie should stay consistent with the anime in terms of blood content if it wants to make the majority of mature fans happy. And Batman didn't have blood but I recall some pretty disturbing scenes like when this man was suffocated with liquid clay by some criminals, it wasn't bloody but it DID enhance the drama for sure.

[Ginkasa]

Missing the point of what? Dragon Ball was never trying to make a point all it was trying to do was be cool and fun, that's exactly why it was violent. Yeah it did well in america while censored, but what made people even more interested was discovering that it was indeed censored, and then you could go see how it originally was, and it was much grittier and more brutal. It's one of the many things that makes an action-centric series like DBZ exciting. I guess you can have your opinion that violence doesn't matter in an action series, but honestly I find that very silly, and unlike you I can back up my opinion with reasoning and examples which I have done. And I guess that its your opinion that calling me silly isn't attempting to discredit the point I was trying to make, well that is also silly, so go on and be silly, silly man.

As I said, its all opinion. The "reasoning" involved will change person by person. Example: Yes, DB's point was to be cool and fun. I don't thk blood and gore is wha made it cool and fun. I thought it was plenty cool and fun while watching it censored. When I watched it in Japanese for the first time, the additional blood did not enhance the "cool and fun" factor for me. Additionally, while I suppose more blood qualifies as making the show more "brutal," I don't feel it made te show "grittier." In fact, I find the Japanese version to come off as sillier, in a good way, than the FUNi dub. The property in general is a far cry from what I believe most people would call "gritty."

Anyway, at no point have I stated that DBZ is not violent or that violence is not a part of an action series. DBZ is a violent show and, yes, violence is an inherent part of the actin genre. However, I do not feel that blood and gore is an inherent part of violence or the action genre. I do not believe blood and gore inherently improve the quality of an acton title. I do not generally recognize DBZ as being well known or popular due to blood and gore. I think if your primary interest is seeing blood and gore there are better animes out there for you.

[MCDaveG]

I like my Dragon Ball red, baby

[Nex Carnifex]

Missing the point of what? Dragon Ball was never trying to make a point all it was trying to do was be cool and fun, that's exactly why it was violent. Yeah it did well in america while censored, but what made people even more interested was discovering that it was indeed censored, and then you could go see how it originally was, and it was much grittier and more brutal. It's one of the many things that makes an action-centric series like DBZ exciting. I guess you can have your opinion that violence doesn't matter in an action series, but honestly I find that very silly, and unlike you I can back up my opinion with reasoning and examples which I have done. And I guess that its your opinion that calling me silly isn't attempting to discredit the point I was trying to make, well that is also silly, so go on and be silly, silly man.

As I said, its all opinion. The "reasoning" involved will change person by person. Example: Yes, DB's point was to be cool and fun. I don't thk blood and gore is wha made it cool and fun. I thought it was plenty cool and fun while watching it censored. When I watched it in Japanese for the first time, the additional blood did not enhance the "cool and fun" factor for me. Additionally, while I suppose more blood qualifies as making the show more "brutal," I don't feel it made te show "grittier." In fact, I find the Japanese version to come off as sillier, in a good way, than the FUNi dub. The property in general is a far cry from what I believe most people would call "gritty."

Anyway, at no point have I stated that DBZ is not violent or that violence is not a part of an action series. DBZ is a violent show and, yes, violence is an inherent part of the actin genre. However, I do not feel that blood and gore is an inherent part of violence or the action genre. I do not believe blood and gore inherently improve the quality of an acton title. I do not generally recognize DBZ as being well known or popular due to blood and gore. I think if your primary interest is seeing blood and gore there are better animes out there for you.

Oh my god you're hopeless, I'm not saying my primary interest is seeing blood and gore, I'm saying the level of graphic violence, a broad term including the level of blood shown, does enhance feelings of danger and excitement for normal human beings and DBZ being extremely action-centric does have a genuine and omnipresent positive influence from having violent scenes and graphic content to better immerse the viewers in the world and also enhance feelings of danger, hopelessness, or even victory.

[DannyDBZfanforever]

The Dragon Ball brand is a brand forged in youth groups, this new film should be the same age of the previous films. Not that the Producers will allow the film to has the level of violence of Berserker (e.g.).

[Hellspawn28]

Dragon Ball always has and will be target to kids. You take away DB's appeal to little kids and you hurt the franchise. If you want a series with tons of blood, gore and sex then go watch a different show.

[Ringworm128]

While I agree to an extent that blood and gore can help to enhance something I never found anything in DBZ that impacting to begin with except for Freeza impaling Krillin, and even then it's mainly the corny yet creepy dialogue from the Funi dub and Ryusei Nakao's sadistic laugh that keeps that scene burned into my mind.

[sonikku956]

There will be blood, but not to the point of the 90's.

Look at Fairy Tail for example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... s80#t=704s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WZudsJGUyk

The manga was somewhat violent, but the anime (except for the OVA, which is the second video i posted) were censored. Why is that?

[penguintruth]

I hear that in one scene, Goku tears out Birusu's spine and jams it into Uisu's skull, then tears off Usui's arms and beats Vegeta into a coma with them for eating the last Chanshu Pork in the Jump Special. Everybody laughs in unison.

The movie ends with Hironobu Kageyama singing Lesley Gore's "Sunshine, Lollipops and Rainbows" over the credits.

[sonikku956]

I hear that in one scene, Goku tears out Birusu's spine and jams it into Uisu's skull, then tears off Usui's arms and beats Vegeta into a coma with them for eating the last Chanshu Pork in the Jump Special. Everybody laughs in unison.

The movie ends with Hironobu Kageyama singing Lesley Gore's "Sunshine, Lollipops and Rainbows" over the credits.

You forgot Yamcha brutally killing Vegeta in revenge for stealing Bulma away.

[Saiga]

You forgot Yamcha brutally killing Vegeta in revenge for stealing Bulma away.

Now that's just unrealistic.

But I guess BoG was based off fanfic ideas after all.

[Nex Carnifex]

Dragon Ball always has and will be target to kids. You take away DB's appeal to little kids and you hurt the franchise. If you want a series with tons of blood, gore and sex then go watch a different show.

Are you fucking kidding me this is not what I'm saying you people need to learn to comprehend. I just want to see Goku and Biseru all bloody at one point, maybe a character coughs up some blood after getting him in the stomach really hard. That's all I mean, I'm talking about the level of violence we're familiar with from every Dragon Ball fight in the manga ever.

[sonikku956]

Dragon Ball always has and will be target to kids. You take away DB's appeal to little kids and you hurt the franchise. If you want a series with tons of blood, gore and sex then go watch a different show.

Are you fucking kidding me this is not what I'm saying you people need to learn to comprehend. I just want to see Goku and Biseru all bloody at one point, maybe a character coughs up some blood after getting him in the stomach really hard. That's all I mean, I'm talking about the level of violence we're familiar with from every Dragon Ball fight in the manga ever.

The movies haven't been that brutal since Second Coming I think.

[sonikku956]

You forgot Yamcha brutally killing Vegeta in revenge for stealing Bulma away.

Now that's just unrealistic.

But I guess BoG was based off fanfic ideas after all.

Well, he was going the "dark and edgy" route with heavy sarcasm...

Yamcha is too nice to kill a injured Vegeta anyway. Ten on the other hand...

[xXInfinite026Xx]

I can't really add anymore that has already been touched upon on the fact that Dragonball is a the product of a 80's-90's shonen kids show from Japan. It certainly has it's dark, even shockingly-violent moments, but overall has the standard amount of action violence of the time, nothing grotesque. No doubt though that I can't expect this movie to be as "violent" as some of the more shocking moments in the manga/anime, epecially since Toriyama states that he himself doesn't like things to get too dark (even if an argument can be made how twisted his dark humor appeared to be at times in the manga).

However, this ISN'T the manga or TV anime, it's just a movie. The first movie in 17 years to be exact! I doubt the general Japanese audience wants the first Dragon Ball movie in 17 years to be an awfully dark and depressing one filled with Evangelion-esque themes like bloodshed and despair. They generally want the more lighthearted One Piece type of fun/amusement with epic action and colorful characters; which is what I gathered from the trailers. That's more-or-less the route taken with most shonen series nowadays and I feel this movie will be a prime example of that. After all, Toriyama did mention it would be Dragon Ball with a modern flare, right? I just can't imagine more anymore "violence" in this movie aside from the usual blood trails from the mouth or face, given the intensity of the characters getting beaten up.

[DBZAOTA482]

I hear that in one scene, Goku tears out Birusu's spine and jams it into Uisu's skull, then tears off Usui's arms and beats Vegeta into a coma with them for eating the last Chanshu Pork in the Jump Special. Everybody laughs in unison.

The movie ends with Hironobu Kageyama singing Lesley Gore's "Sunshine, Lollipops and Rainbows" over the credits.

Let's not forget the following:

- Goku starts acting like a monkey and pisses in Videl's hair.
- Gohan dies from embarrassment. Literally.
- Mr. Satan finally gets killed when he tries to him.
- Bulma is found crying by the porch as her party was sabotaged because it was something Vegeta put his heart into to plan. Chi-Chi comforts her, and they start french kissing. They strip down. Muten Roshi is so turned up that he nosebleeds to death.