We all know about how a Saiyan grows in power greatly after a heavy wound right? I've noticed we don't really see anymore of this after the Freeza arc. For example, After Goku recovered from the heart virus he should be very strong, maybe equal to Piccolo w/Kami. And when Vegeta got beat up by 18 and Perfect Cell, he should have gotten a lot stronger.
Another is in the Buu saga. Gohan gets the snot beat out of him by Fat Buu as SSJ2. After returning to the Kaioshin's planet, he should be much stronger after being healed.
Just a few thoughts.
Question regarding Saiyans healing...
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Re: Question regarding Saiyans healing...
Very true, I've been hopeing to re-watch the series and find out exactly where and when the Saiyans should have experienced a 'zenkai', but I'm poor and can't afford the DVDs and YTV isn't showing DBZ anymoreCyberman wrote:We all know about how a Saiyan grows in power greatly after a heavy wound right? I've noticed we don't really see anymore of this after the Freeza arc. For example, After Goku recovered from the heart virus he should be very strong, maybe equal to Piccolo w/Kami. And when Vegeta got beat up by 18 and Perfect Cell, he should have gotten a lot stronger.
Another is in the Buu saga. Gohan gets the snot beat out of him by Fat Buu as SSJ2. After returning to the Kaioshin's planet, he should be much stronger after being healed.
Just a few thoughts.
oh, and Goku talks about it while training Gohan for the Cells games inside the ROSAT. He tells Gohan that they need to rest after training to gain greater strength so he could be using smaller 'zenkais' in his training. Of course he might not be, as resting after training is how normal strength training works.
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What is Toriyama-sensei forgot? 
Well, why would someone talk about something that everybody already knows about?
All of the characters with Saiya-jin blood (with the possible exception of Goten, Trunks, Pan, etc.) know of this already and probably keep it in mind when they are training. Just because something isn't talked about doesn't mean anything.
I'll follow the theory already presented for the Goku-Heart Virus case. I'm almost certain this applies to fighting wounds and probably has something to do with how much power is excerted during a round.
I don't quite recall all of the events regarding Vegeta-#18-Cell fights so I won't comment on this.
I believe Gohan did become much stronger afterward and as said we hadn't, at that point, seen his full potential exposed. I blame this on the Saiya-jin-blooded ego. After becoming the first SSJ2 Gohan probably figured he could take just about anyone and the same goes for Goku and Vegeta. Once the first few fights with Buu were fought it was really made apparent that training was nessacary.
Also, it's pure speculation that it might be nessacary for the Saiya-Jin to be at full strength when they lose a near-death battle before gaining any afterward. If this is true than characters not gaining much power after a battle could easily be left up to this.
All of the characters with Saiya-jin blood (with the possible exception of Goten, Trunks, Pan, etc.) know of this already and probably keep it in mind when they are training. Just because something isn't talked about doesn't mean anything.
I'll follow the theory already presented for the Goku-Heart Virus case. I'm almost certain this applies to fighting wounds and probably has something to do with how much power is excerted during a round.
I don't quite recall all of the events regarding Vegeta-#18-Cell fights so I won't comment on this.
I believe Gohan did become much stronger afterward and as said we hadn't, at that point, seen his full potential exposed. I blame this on the Saiya-jin-blooded ego. After becoming the first SSJ2 Gohan probably figured he could take just about anyone and the same goes for Goku and Vegeta. Once the first few fights with Buu were fought it was really made apparent that training was nessacary.
Also, it's pure speculation that it might be nessacary for the Saiya-Jin to be at full strength when they lose a near-death battle before gaining any afterward. If this is true than characters not gaining much power after a battle could easily be left up to this.
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One needs to closely analyze and compare how "near-death" characters were in order to apply the idea that they experienced the powerup.
However, it may be that the auto-evolving nature of the powerup is intended to bring Saiyans to the point where they can become Super Saiyan, which explains the enormous powerups Vegeta and Goku experienced later on. So, by becoming Super Saiyan, the mechanism may have been "deactivated".
More likely, Toriyama-sensei forgot or stopped including it, much like Kaio-ken, in order to keep the story from having overly repetitive reasons to make characters gain strength. If Goku could have still used and upgraded upon Kaio-ken, he probably could have taken it beyond Super Saiyan. Also, if he used it in sync with Super Saiyan (one case aside) then higher transformations may not have been needed, and he could have toppled Cell.
What I'm saying is that I don't think the near-death powerup was present (or apparent, either way) after the Freeza arc, except for Cell when he self-destructed.
However, it may be that the auto-evolving nature of the powerup is intended to bring Saiyans to the point where they can become Super Saiyan, which explains the enormous powerups Vegeta and Goku experienced later on. So, by becoming Super Saiyan, the mechanism may have been "deactivated".
More likely, Toriyama-sensei forgot or stopped including it, much like Kaio-ken, in order to keep the story from having overly repetitive reasons to make characters gain strength. If Goku could have still used and upgraded upon Kaio-ken, he probably could have taken it beyond Super Saiyan. Also, if he used it in sync with Super Saiyan (one case aside) then higher transformations may not have been needed, and he could have toppled Cell.
What I'm saying is that I don't think the near-death powerup was present (or apparent, either way) after the Freeza arc, except for Cell when he self-destructed.
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