I got Fusion Reborn and love it to death!

[Conan the SSJ]

I just got Movie 12 yesterday, and for those who didn't see me in the chat room yesterday, that's why.

I must say, the video quality is pretty damn fan-friggin-tastic. The dub was "okay", the music wasn't as bad as I thought it'd be, nor was Janemba's English VA (though there were moments where Kent Williams just didn't sound right in the first form). I was disappointed in some of the dialogue written by the DBZ writer everyone loves to hate, Christopher Neel. He went just a bit overboard with some of those "yaoi"-ish phrases (I made a loud gulp at the extending finger comment, among others). The voices though, besides Kyle Hebert's oddly forced Pikkon, were pretty damn awesome in their own right. Sean Schemmel's screaming talents never cease to surprise me, and Chris Sabat's "Dictator"; my God, I didn't even know it was him (laughed my ass off at the "blonde hair, blue eyes" bit ).

Though with as interesting as the dub was, the Japanese version blew my socks off. Sure the video probably isn't as jaw dropping as the dragon box's will be, but my goodness it was good enough to wet my whistle. I absolutely loved watching it full screen, now knowing I was getting more of the picture than my cheap fansub's cropped letterbox format was giving. It was positively fangasming, and I'm glad I found out that the movie wasn't done in stereo before buying the DVD, as I would have been confused as to the mono. The video quality was, IMO, fantastic, regardless what the anal dragonbox fanboys will say, as was the audio. Big props to Steve Simmons for giving the sub an awesome-as-always translation, you did a fantastic job, Daimao.

I was a tad disappointed in the lack of DVD extras, I mean with as much hyping as FUNi did around movie 12, it made movie 8's look like zilch. From Budokai Tenkaichi, to the PsP's Shin Budokai, and even its own theatrical showing, I guess all that kind of gave me something "Extra" to look forward to. But hey, I'm not really upset about it, considering they gave some decently written character profiles and relatively okay trailers (though I could have done without the Degrassi one), it was an okay attempt. DVD extras aside, I love the Japanese version in this uncropped, Daimao subbed format. Hell, I bought TWO DVDs of this thing, that's how much I love it.

Just for the hell of it, I'll give a listing of everything this DVD features to those curious on getting it.

Full-Screen English dub.
Full-Screen English "5.1 Dolby Surround Sound" dub.
Full-Screen Uncut Japanese version w/t optional translated subtitles.
Interactive DVD menus.
Scene Selection.
Character Profiles.
FUNimation Trailers.

EDIT: Just to let everyone know, the Waves and Rocks logo is present in the feature, though for an odd reason, it sports the "wide-screen" black bars.

[Chaos Saiyajin]

I totally agree, Conan. Fusion Reborn is clearly one of the better movies and I have also throughly enjoyed it. You get dead people, Pikkon screaming at gel, Janemba, Goku and Vegeta speaking homo-erotically (Dub only), and Gotenks fights Hitler!

Now I just have to watch the whole JP Version! Yay!

(Conan, for some reason, I've been telling all the new members that you eat penguins... )

[Nekoni]

*raises hand* I would just like to state, that the original version has a liiittle more homoeroticism than the dub. *noddle* At least in my opinion, since they kinda' skipped over the 'butt pound' as my friend once called it, and didn't have the romantic music...

I want this DVD.. <_< I mean, I HAVE it, in french, but I wanna' see the dub.

[Li'l Lemmy]

Sean Schemmel's screaming talents never cease to surprise me, and Chris Sabat's "Dictator"; my God, I didn't even know it was him (laughed my ass off at the "blonde hair, blue eyes" bit ).

I was rather impressed with Schemmel with regards to Goku's SSJ3 transformation. While I can't imagine that the one long, drawn-out scream wasn't at least two separate digitally-linked howls, it just sounds very solid and singular that I can't really tell . . . though of course, if that really was just one scream, then my God; kudos to that man's talent. (Though the actual second scream, where Goku makes that final push into SSJ3; that one just might have sounded even better.)

Though with as interesting as the dub was, the Japanese version blew my socks off. Sure the video probably isn't as jaw dropping as the dragon box's will be, but my goodness it was good enough to wet my whistle. I absolutely loved watching it full screen, now knowing I was getting more of the picture than my cheap fansub's cropped letterbox format was giving. It was positively fangasming, and I'm glad I found out that the movie wasn't done in stereo before buying the DVD, as I would have been confused as to the mono. The video quality was, IMO, fantastic, regardless what the anal dragonbox fanboys will say, as was the audio. Big props to Steve Simmons for giving the sub an awesome-as-always translation, you did a fantastic job, Daimao.

When it comes to video quality, I can freely admit to myself that I'll probably never get my hands on a Dragon Box or the individual Toei releases . . . so if the quality really will be better than what I have on this disc, then I'll just have to conveniently forget about that and focus on the fact that this movie is one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen in Dragonball Z. There were moments that took this movie out of its anime confines and brought it into the existence of something divine and intangible, and nothing about the actual video quality hindered my enjoyment of that.

As for subtitles? It might sound crazy to some, but . . . moreso than anything else, those are often what I most look forward to with each DVD purchase. I love the dub (especially as it continues to grow better with experience), but right after I give a new disc like Fusion Reborn a run-through in dub-speak, I'll switch tracks right away and watch the episodes all over again to see how things "really" happened. Accurate subtitles are why I pay for the alternate language track, and I am never disappointed. It's certainly worth mentioning . . . thank you, Mr. Daimao!

I was a tad disappointed in the lack of DVD extras, I mean with as much hyping as FUNi did around movie 12, it made movie 8's look like zilch. From Budokai Tenkaichi, to the PsP's Shin Budokai, and even its own theatrical showing, I guess all that kind of gave me something "Extra" to look forward to. But hey, I'm not really upset about it, considering they gave some decently written character profiles and relatively okay trailers (though I could have done without the Degrassi one), it was an okay attempt. DVD extras aside, I love the Japanese version in this uncropped, Daimao subbed format. Hell, I bought TWO DVDs of this thing, that's how much I love it.

I was really very surprised at the lack of extras, myself. Granted, not every DVD is going to have "actual" extras like the Cooler movie interview or the commentary track included with the Dead Zone re-release, but I thought certainly that if there was a movie for FUNimation to pack in the good stuff, it'd be this one for sure. However, considering that they could have just as easily stopped releasing movies after Tree of Might, I suppose I'm just grateful that they're going as far to release them all.

[Tanooki Kuribo]

It's funny because there is a side who is strongly against FUNimation and a side that is OK with it. Neither side thinks the Japanese version sucks or anything, just that they can tolerate FUNimations dub. When someone gives a little space to say they like the dub, they all come crawling out of the wallspace saying the same thing. When someone says the dub sucks we all crawl back... what was my point?

[Rocketman]

It's funny because there is a side who is strongly against FUNimation and a side that is OK with it. Neither side thinks the Japanese version sucks or anything, just that they can tolerate FUNimations dub. When someone gives a little space to say they like the dub, they all come crawling out of the wallspace saying the same thing. When someone says the dub sucks we all crawl back... what was my point?

That you're all a bunch of lemmings?

[desirecampbell]

That you're all a bunch of lemmings?

We're herded by a children's cartoon publisher into killing ourselves? Well, yeah - that's pretty acurate really.

[Cyberman]

I personally prefer dub because I don't wanna read watching a show. :p

I don't care what anyone else said, Sean Schemmel and Chris Sabat are good actors. Sure, the dub gets a little goofy and the writing can be wierd sometimes, but I grew up on dub, so I'll usually only watch sub when there is no other option. (clings Movie 13 fansub)

[Tanooki Kuribo]

That you're all a bunch of lemmings?

Yea, well some people. Not everyone.

[Blitzen]

The video quality was, IMO, fantastic, regardless what the anal dragonbox fanboys will say, as was the audio. Big props to Steve Simmons for giving the sub an awesome-as-always translation, you did a fantastic job, Dai

I'm sorry I have to say this but well, considering how you thought the video on GT was on par with the Dragonbox, well, I'm just not too confident in your ability to accuratly portray "fantastic" video quality given your bias (moreso against people who buy something that isn't in English, rather than people who simply have a preference).

So Anal dragonbox fanboys. Okay. So despite the fact that we may have a cropped, yet cleaner, digitally remastered version (considering the "crop" was originally a part of superior masters), and that FUNimation is using as far as I can see Beta masters, it's still 'fantastic" despite, by comparison, not being?

And listing things such as "funimation previews" and "scene selection" and oh, "animated menus" is so, well, the best way I can put this is "welcome to 1999!.geocities.com"

*edited for more clarity*

[Tanooki Kuribo]

Edit: I just accidentally erased my whole post in edit topic. I can't belive I just did that.

[Blitzen]

It's awesome how we're considered anal dragonbox fans and yet you say that somehow scene selection and menus are actual "bonuses". Welcome to 1998, y'all!

Conan was just saying what FUNimation put on the disc. He never said they were extras or anything.

Just for the hell of it, I'll give a listing of everything this DVD features to those curious on getting it.

Sure he mentions scene selection. Did he have to? Not really, we just assume every DVD today has this. Some DVD's actually dont (skipping whole episodes). No biggie though, Conan was just excited.

Hell, I bought TWO DVDs of this thing, that's how much I love it.

(Who the Hell does that?)

I dunno, sure a bit of overreaction on my part, but calling Dragonbox fans anal is just about as close minded as calling all people who buy FUNi discs dubbies, and we all know that isn't always the case.

[Xyex]

I could have gotten this today if I'd gone out shopping with my dad. :/ Oh well.

I was rather impressed with Schemmel with regards to Goku's SSJ3 transformation. While I can't imagine that the one long, drawn-out scream wasn't at least two separate digitally-linked howls, it just sounds very solid and singular that I can't really tell . . . though of course, if that really was just one scream, then my God; kudos to that man's talent. (Though the actual second scream, where Goku makes that final push into SSJ3; that one just might have sounded even better.)

Not sure if they used the same audio as the one from the series here or not but... I do believe it was mentioned somewhere that he nearly passed out on that scream, he did it so long. So, ya, we know from the series he can manage one long solid scream.

[Nekoni]

Sean Schemmel... fantastic voice actor, fantastic voice

I hear, (and hear, haha) Chris Sabat messes up at every emotional moment though... for example, when he cries... instead of sounding like crying, he sounds like he's wrestling a python! *nods* and yes, I shall do a joke on that one....

[Conan the SSJ]

(Conan, for some reason, I've been telling all the new members that you eat penguins... )

Ehh, okay... XD

The video quality was, IMO, fantastic, regardless what the anal dragonbox fanboys will say, as was the audio. Big props to Steve Simmons for giving the sub an awesome-as-always translation, you did a fantastic job, Dai

I'm sorry I have to say this but well, considering how you thought the video on GT was on par with the Dragonbox, well, I'm just not too confident in your ability to accuratly portray "fantastic" video quality given your bias (moreso against people who buy something that isn't in English, rather than people who simply have a preference).

So Anal dragonbox fanboys. Okay. So despite the fact that we may have a cropped, yet cleaner, digitally remastered version (considering the "crop" was originally a part of superior masters), and that FUNimation is using as far as I can see Beta masters, it's still 'fantastic" despite, by comparison, not being?

And listing things such as "funimation previews" and "scene selection" and oh, "animated menus" is so, well, the best way I can put this is "welcome to 1999!.geocities.com"

*edited for more clarity*

First off, please point out when I said the FUNi GT discs were on par with the Dragonbox counterparts. I never said that. All I brought up from time to time was the fact "it was just as uncut, had no zoom-in effect, and benefited from Daimao's subs". Sure, I like the video quality of the FUNi GT DVDs while others are gonna cling to dragonboxes over it, but never once did I say its video quality was on par with the dragonbox. Considering I've seen comparison pictures and such, I'm not stupid enough to say something that incompetent.

Believe me when I say FUNi's movie 12 DVD is of great qaulity, there are a couple of those common "ash burns" and maybe one or two questionable frames, but it truly is fantastic. It's not just me being mesmorized by the awesome SSJ3 transformation (which I absolutly loved watching without those "original" crops), it's the fact that the video quality seriously is damn good. I must say however, the textless, alternate angle "WE GOTTA POWER" theme FUNi used for the dub was a bit scratchy and seemed zoomed-in, but it's nothing a DVD viewer can't get passed.

Here's a thought, why not give a $15 DVD (that's worth every penny) a chance, rather than base judgment on the words of one fan.

EDIT: Regarding me posting absolutly everything the DVD features, I'm just doing what Mike and Julian were doing with the dragonbox single releases in an early podcast episode. It's only fair.

[Great Saiyaman]

I loved FR aswell, but acctually I still like both Cooler Movies & the first Broly one better. But FR was definetly a great one, Gogeta got kick ass Theme Music.

[Duo]

I thought the dub was probably the worst job Funi did on any movie. I enjoy their dubs on Movie 5, 6, 9, 10, and 11, but this movie just...blew it, in my opinion.

That aside, I thought JP + Daimao Subs was probably the best of any Dragonball Z movie ever. It has a good premise, well executed parallels to the series, awesome fighting, doesn't take long to get moving, and a ton of humor.

The definitive vision of that which is Dragonball Z on screen.

[Tsukento]

Coulda been worse. Coulda been those UK dubbed movies.

[Nekoni]

UK movies make the french dub look GOOD! And the French dub has no such thing as saiyans or 'kakarotto'!

[Demi]

the French dub has no such thing as saiyans or 'kakarotto'!

Please to be explaining this to me in a PM so as not to lead this thread off topic.