Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

[TheMightyOzaru]

Heart virus.

Piccolo trained with Goku, he knows how powerful he really is and what's the point of Piccolo saying he might be stronger than a weaker Goku? Everyone is in complete awe of Vegeta's power so it is likely he is stronger. Also Vegeta is stronger than Goku during the Ginyu arc up until Goku emerges from the healing pod. Vegeta has been stronger a multitude of times.

Vegeta was nowhere near Captain Ginyu though so how was he stronger than Goku during the Ginyu arc ? Goku was beyond Ginyu's power so if Goku is beyond Ginyu then he is definitely beyond Vegeta. Also not long before Goku and Ginyu's fight, Vegeta got his ass kicked by Recoome, Goku beat him with ease. The only time i can remember Vegeta being stronger than Goku on Namek was when he had Dende heal him.

After he was healed in the fight with Recoome, his power shot up to 250,000. Goku's was 90,000 until he was healed and shot up to 3,000,000.

[penguintruth]

After he was healed in the fight with Recoome, his power shot up to 250,000. Goku's was 90,000 until he was healed and shot up to 3,000,000.

That doesn't make much sense.

[Michsi]

and that the next time they're up against some nasty opponent they should just have their enemy hit Bulma

Wow, Goku....just wow. I mean, even if it was supposed to be a joke, I can't help but feel that this is taking Goku's nonchalance from the Boo Saga to a whole new level.

"Destruction ain't somethin' t' take pleasure in!"- Anyone else love the animation in that scene? Very cool.

That's drawn by Naotoshi Shida.

It's a neat little cut from what the commercials have shown. It's a shame that his work near the end of the film seems to be the only fight scene with a well-known animator behind it.

Did miss a commercial again? I don't remember that quote.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Did miss a commercial again? I don't remember that quote.

It was mentioned in the translation of the one the site posted about on February 27th.

[TheMightyOzaru]

After he was healed in the fight with Recoome, his power shot up to 250,000. Goku's was 90,000 until he was healed and shot up to 3,000,000.

That doesn't make much sense.

How...? These are in the guide books so these are legitimate numbers.

[Saiga]

and that the next time they're up against some nasty opponent they should just have their enemy hit Bulma

Wow, Goku....just wow. I mean, even if it was supposed to be a joke, I can't help but feel that this is taking Goku's nonchalance from the Boo Saga to a whole new level.

I don't know, it doesn't seem that bad... then again I guess my sense of humour is pretty off-colour.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Going back to the topic of Vegeta's power increase. Do you guys think it's possible that Vegeta mastered SSJ2 as opposed to attaining SSJ3?

[Black_Liger]

If anyone is interesed in how would the movie sound with Kikuchi.

Here's the ssj3 goku vs bills video with Kikuchi music (Not by me)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stowuvaxk6k

I must say it fits pretty well, I am still happy they didn't reuse kikuchi though.

[penguintruth]

After he was healed in the fight with Recoome, his power shot up to 250,000. Goku's was 90,000 until he was healed and shot up to 3,000,000.

That doesn't make much sense.

How...? These are in the guide books so these are legitimate numbers.

Goku's power level during his fight with Captain Ginyu was 180,000, using Kaioken. I don't think there's any evidence of what Goku's power level reading (in numbers) is beyond that point in the manga. There's no way Vegeta was more powerful than Goku for any significant time after the battle with the Ginyu Force. Maybe for the few minutes between his revival by Dende and Goku's full recovery in the healing tank.

The guide book power charts are mostly just padding. Mostly a Shuiesha thing, not a Toriyama thing. My rule of thumb is, if it's info that's outside the manga or not expressly from Toriyama himself, I don't give a damn.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

If that were the case, then Vegeta would have fought the entire battle like that, but if I remember correctly, he only surpassed Goku for a moment.

He was like that for the entire battle, since from what I understood, that's what happened: Bulma got slapped, Vegeta got pissed, turned Super Saiyan 2, Kame-sennin noted that he had surpassed Goku, he attacked Bills, got his ass kicked.

You mean when he becomes a Super Saiyan? That's just because Goku has the heart virus.

Nope, Piccolo said that Vegeta had surpassed Goku, and Piccolo knew Goku's full power, since they were training together for 3 years. Vegeta was stronger than Goku, there is no doubt about that.

[*]Contradiction: Birusu specifically asks if Planet Vegeta was destroyed while he was asleep (yes, it was); if his nap was 39 years long (see: Oracle Fish’s prediction, which would have been before this nap), and Planet Vegeta was destroyed in Age 737, that would mean it would have to take place in Age 776, the same time as the JSAT Special... but that also means all the other things that make it work then suddenly make it NOT work; Pan is definitely given the age of 4 during the end of the manga (going on five years old), so she can’t be conceived two years after Buu's death and then still be four years old ten years after Buu's death. On top of that, Birusu had no idea Freeza had been defeated.[/list]

Well, is there any indication that Bills' nap lasted 39 years? He said if the planet was destroyed during his nap, not when he fell asleep.

Going back to the topic of Vegeta's power increase. Do you guys think it's possible that Vegeta mastered SSJ2 as opposed to attaining SSJ3?

I don't think "Super Saiyan 2 Full Power" is possible, but I think Babidi's power-up played a role in this. I believe that Babidi's power-up didn't go away when Vegeta was brought back to life, so maybe because Babidi drew Vegeta's dormant power beyond his limits, it made Vegeta get stronger faster.

[MrKaytos]

Here you can appreciate a better look at the characters surrounding Super Saiya-jin God:

http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-a ... 9865_n.jpg


Enjoy it

[VegettoEX]

I realize the images are small, but I also think there's no need to be sharing what is essentially the entirety of new books that literally just came out, are still widely available, and are even comparatively cheap.

I'm fine with a few select section of even page sharings here and there, but please try not to go overboard. We're certainly in no mood to deal with any takedown notices or hand over personally-identifying information .

[MrKaytos]

I realize the images are small, but I also think there's no need to be sharing what is essentially the entirety of new books that literally just came out, are still widely available, and are even comparatively cheap.

I'm fine with a few select section of even page sharings here and there, but please try not to go overboard. We're certainly in no mood to deal with any takedown notices or hand over personally-identifying information .

Yeah, I'm sorry about that.

I'm new around here and I wasn't sure about forum policies. I've just edited my previous post by leaving one single image, which I think is quite interesting

Thanks for the information, VegettoEX.

[Herms]

Well, is there any indication that BillIt' nap lasted 39 years? He said if the planet was destroyed during his nap, not when he fell asleep.

It's said several times in the movie that Beers has been asleep for 39 years.

[Dizrythmia]

This is probably a useless fact & may have been already mentioned, but a friend of mine is holidaying in Japan at the moment & had her picture taken in a photo booth at the cinema. This photo booth allows you to have have characters from various anime movies put on the image & she selected Battle of Gods. Interestingly the character ended up being Super Saiyan Gohan from the original trailer. She thought it was Goku till I pointed out the mistake...

[TheMightyOzaru]

Goku's power level during his fight with Captain Ginyu was 180,000, using Kaioken. I don't think there's any evidence of what Goku's power level reading (in numbers) is beyond that point in the manga. There's no way Vegeta was more powerful than Goku for any significant time after the battle with the Ginyu Force. Maybe for the few minutes between his revival by Dende and Goku's full recovery in the healing tank.

The guide book power charts are mostly just padding. Mostly a Shuiesha thing, not a Toriyama thing. My rule of thumb is, if it's info that's outside the manga or not expressly from Toriyama himself, I don't give a damn.

I could honestly care less if you couldn't give a damn. What's official is official and Vegeta had a power level of 250,000 after eating that Senzu.

Going back to the topic of Vegeta's power increase. Do you guys think it's possible that Vegeta mastered SSJ2 as opposed to attaining SSJ3?

I don't think "Super Saiyan 2 Full Power" is possible, but I think Babidi's power-up played a role in this. I believe that Babidi's power-up didn't go away when Vegeta was brought back to life, so maybe because Babidi drew Vegeta's dormant power beyond his limits, it made Vegeta get stronger faster.

Well how about this then, Vegeta never did bother mastering SSJ. If he did it now his power level would skyrocket. Perhaps this is why he got so powerful. Vegeta was too impatient back in the day to even attempt something as prolonged as the process of mastering SSJ but now, I can see him doing it.

[Draken]

Goku's power level during his fight with Captain Ginyu was 180,000, using Kaioken. I don't think there's any evidence of what Goku's power level reading (in numbers) is beyond that point in the manga. There's no way Vegeta was more powerful than Goku for any significant time after the battle with the Ginyu Force. Maybe for the few minutes between his revival by Dende and Goku's full recovery in the healing tank.

The guide book power charts are mostly just padding. Mostly a Shuiesha thing, not a Toriyama thing. My rule of thumb is, if it's info that's outside the manga or not expressly from Toriyama himself, I don't give a damn.

I could honestly care less if you couldn't give a damn. What's official is official and Vegeta had a power level of 250,000 after eating that Senzu.

Going back to the topic of Vegeta's power increase. Do you guys think it's possible that Vegeta mastered SSJ2 as opposed to attaining SSJ3?

I don't think "Super Saiyan 2 Full Power" is possible, but I think Babidi's power-up played a role in this. I believe that Babidi's power-up didn't go away when Vegeta was brought back to life, so maybe because Babidi drew Vegeta's dormant power beyond his limits, it made Vegeta get stronger faster.

Well how about this then, Vegeta never did bother mastering SSJ. If he did it now his power level would skyrocket. Perhaps this is why he got so powerful. Vegeta was too impatient back in the day to even attempt something as prolonged as the process of mastering SSJ but now, I can see him doing it.

I feel like simply mastering SSJ doesn't just skyrocket your power, especially in other forms. It makes using SSJ easier and less draining, and a theory is that it therefore boosts your training due to less drain, but it won't skyrocket your power very easily.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I think maintaining the form for so long increases the users base power after charging it to full power. Well over a 4x IMO too.

[Draken]

So what you're saying is that this entire time Goku has actually been completely, utterly, even grossly outclassed by Vegeta, and the only thing keeping him ahead was FPSSJ from years ago?

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

We were given this in the Super Exciting Guide: Story Guide:

Room of Spirit and Time

Menu 1: sparring with another Super Saiyan
Stamina: 4
Ki: 10

Menu 2: meditation
Ki: 3

Menu 3: constantly being a Super Saiyan
Power: 8
Speed: 6
Stamina: 7
Ki: 8

If I've got it right, being a SSJ constantly yields greater benefits than anything listed above by quite a substantial amount.