The general American fanbase really annoys me.

[Duo]

I don't think it's much of an issue when you consider dubs such as the Mexican version of DBZ or the FUNImation version of Dragon Ball Kai. I do think that if you're watching a broken dub, as far as factual debates go that involve words or speech, you ought to defer to the original. That's not an obligation to watch or enjoy it - just respect the original content for data.

Ex: The only way I've ever 'read' the Manga (I do own some in Japanese) is through the Viz translation. Do I use it to argue that Herculopolis should be an official term over Satan City? Or that #16 used "Inferno Blast" on Cell? Or that Boo is a Djinn?

[Hellspawn28]

Also, their entire knowledge of the franchise revolves around the Funi dub.

That's why I hate the DB wiki so much. They have stuff like "Chi Chi was going to name him "Albert Einstein" which is so stupid .

[linkdude20002001]

Ex: The only way I've ever 'read' the Manga (I do own some in Japanese) is through the Viz translation. Do I use it to argue that Herculopolis should be an official term over Satan City? Or that #16 used "Inferno Blast" on Cell? Or that Boo is a Djinn?

Well, Boo is a djinn. While not what we're used to, it does make perfect sense.

[Duo]

Ex: The only way I've ever 'read' the Manga (I do own some in Japanese) is through the Viz translation. Do I use it to argue that Herculopolis should be an official term over Satan City? Or that #16 used "Inferno Blast" on Cell? Or that Boo is a Djinn?

Well, Boo is a djinn. While not what we're used to, it does make perfect sense.

I...why would you even want to defend a change like that? Buu isn't a Djinn because Buu isn't from the Arabian culture.

[Cursed Lemon]

I think that the internet has both hurt and helped the Dragonball series, with respect to the collective knowledge of the fanbase.

Let's face it - around the turn of the millennium, there were probably three or four DBZ sites on the entire internet (Planet Namek, Karin Tower, The Ultimate DBZ Info Page, Temple O' Trunks, etc.) that actually had competent, extensive information on the series. The rest of the web was filled with weird rumors, incorrect translations, fan images being taken for official media, it was all just very disconnected in an age where the net was very decentralized. Add to that the many different dubs, plus the fact that DBZ just has a crapload of content beneath the surface, and ultimately the hard truth that DBZ is often a young kid's first anime.

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On a related note, does anyone have the old Geocities link to Karin Tower? I've always wanted to Wayback it, but I could never find the link.

[matt0044]

That's why I hate the DB wiki so much. They have stuff like "Chi Chi was going to name him "Albert Einstein" which is so stupid .

Yeah it's like FUNi dub first Japanese dead last.

[MCDaveG]

That's why I hate the DB wiki so much. They have stuff like "Chi Chi was going to name him "Albert Einstein" which is so stupid .

Yeah it's like FUNi dub first Japanese dead last.

Yeah, and with english pronounciation instead of Einschtain...... Damn, I really don't like the Funimation's actors accent, I'm used to the New York one, like Jimmy Kimmel for example.

[OutlawTorn]

I do think that if you're watching a broken dub, as far as factual debates go that involve words or speech, you ought to defer to the original. That's not an obligation to watch or enjoy it - just respect the original content for data.

I agree with that. The way I see it, I'll watch the version I enjoy watching but, if I want to get into a discussion about it, I can watch it with subtitles. Providing those subtitles are accurate, if people really do not want to watch it in Japanese, they can still educate themselves of what's really being said.

[Ringworm128]

I don't think it's much of an issue when you consider dubs such as the Mexican version of DBZ or the FUNImation version of Dragon Ball Kai. I do think that if you're watching a broken dub, as far as factual debates go that involve words or speech, you ought to defer to the original. That's not an obligation to watch or enjoy it - just respect the original content for data.

Ex: The only way I've ever 'read' the Manga (I do own some in Japanese) is through the Viz translation. Do I use it to argue that Herculopolis should be an official term over Satan City? Or that #16 used "Inferno Blast" on Cell? Or that Boo is a Djinn?

Exactly, I can watch and enjoy the Funimation dub but I don't even for a second treat any of the rewrites etc as canon. I just simply enjoy it for what it is without going "OMG that wasn't in the original HOW DARE THEY!!!!!!!!!"

[DBZAOTA482]

Also, their entire knowledge of the franchise revolves around the Funi dub.

That's why I hate the DB wiki so much. They have stuff like "Chi Chi was going to name him "Albert Einstein" which is so stupid .

But she was going to name Gohan Enstein in the subbed version (along with another name that escapes me). DB wiki isn't bad because it relies on the FUNi dub for information. It's bad because there is no consensus with their information and users just write whatever.

[matt0044]

Goku's father being a brilliant scientists

Or rather Bardock seeing the error of his Saiyan ways.

[ABED]

Goku's father being a brilliant scientist

Or rather Bardock seeing the error of his Saiyan ways.

Could you refresh my memory about what I was talking about?

[Hellspawn28]

But she was going to name Gohan Enstein in the subbed version (along with another name that escapes me).

I don't remember that. Are you sure that was not from the single DVD's since those had dubtitles from what I can remember. Another thing I notice with the DB wiki is that it has a ton of fan art. I notice people have posted fan art on character profiles before.

[VyeRo]

Or rather Bardock seeing the error of his Saiyan ways.

Where did this come from anyway? It's been awhile since I've seen the movie, but I don't remember Bardock ever feeling guilty for being a saiyan, or that he became 'good' in the end.

[Gaffer Tape]

But she was going to name Gohan Enstein in the subbed version (along with another name that escapes me).

I don't remember that. Are you sure that was not from the single DVD's since those had dubtitles from what I can remember. Another thing I notice with the DB wiki is that it has a ton of fan art. I notice people have posted fan art on character profiles before.

Nope, just watched it. She does say "Einstein," in the original version too. Still just as stupid, but it's not the dub's fault.

Also, "Archimedes" is the other names she suggests.

[ABED]

I don't think it's that stupid that she would want to name her child Einstein. Yeah, I know that Dragon Ball Earth is different, but who's to say that Einstein didn't exist in that world?

[Ringworm128]

Well Budiyasa who is a real person technically exists in the DB universe so it is possible to imagine. Also what if they had a Einstein but his name was GERO Einstein!

I don't think it's that stupid that she would want to name her child Einstein. Yeah, I know that Dragon Ball Earth is different, but who's to say that Einstein didn't exist in that world?

I'm suddenly reminded about Taku128's quote on SF64

It's like Falco saying "Hey Einstein, I'm on your side!" in Star Fox 64. Sarcastically calling someone Einstein after they do something stupid is a thing people do in the English language, but within the context of Star Fox 64 it brings up questions about how this universe of talking animals who fly space ships and fight against an evil army of monkeys know who Einstein is, and how Einstein fits into their weird future space-animal universe mythos, and if their version of Einstein is still a human or some other kind of animal, and then before you know it you've flown into a wall and broken your wings off because you were so caught up in decoding this throwaway line and now you're stuck with the shitty single laser again. Referencing Einstein without thinking about how it doesn't fit into the context of a world where humans don't exist is lazy, and so is referencing the internet in a show that was written before anyone knew what the fuck an internet even was.

[ABED]

Star Fox doesn't take place in our solar system. However, they all speak English, but Einstein bothers him?

Also, his point about the internet is ridiculous. This is a world where faster than light space travel is possible and robots feel emotions, but he has a problem with the internet being referenced?

[Ringworm128]

I go with the theory that humans eventually travelled into space and taught other planets certain things like language and "hey Einstein" was something that came along with them. Anyway this is starting to get a bit off topic.

[Saiga]

That does remind me of a lot of references the FUNi dub had to ideas that aliens like Freeza's minions just shouldn't be aware of. I always found that really out of place, can't remember if the manga/anime ever had things like that.