How come they didn't bring Gohan to fight Kid Buu?

[Rocketman]

So since Goku says "we", is Vegeta stronger than Gohan?

[DBZAOTA482]

Ehhh... It's made pointless in the end because Goku is the one who picks up all the slack and he has Shenlong erase everyone's memory of Majin Boo.

But what would you expect from the Majin Boo Saga?

Yeah, but they didn't know that they were going to make that wish at the time. I'm not saying that this is what was going through Goku's head, just throwing out an idea.
Maybe he didn't want to risk embarassing Vegeta by having Gotenks and Gohan show him up?

Fate of all creations > Vegeta's pride

Besides, I think Vegeta would be fine with it given that redemption of his.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Maybe Vegeta is smarter than we think. If we really think about it, both Gotenks and Gohan are far stronger than Pure Buu. If they fought, Buu would feel pressured and find a way to absorb Gohan. If that had happened everyone would have been screwed. The Genki Dama was the perfect plan because it was an attack just powerful enough to finish the job. Plus it's not formed from Goku's power so Buu wouldn't gain the Genki Dama's power by absorbing Goku. While it doesn't seem like a preferred plan, it is

[Ookalf]

May I ask you some questions ?
- Why didn't Goku mention any power drop whereas it's always the case in the entire manga ? Especially when it's supposed to be the source of his relief.
- Why is Goku judging Boo's ball on its size, right after ?

In this case, Goku's assertion that he and Vegeta could defeat Buu would be taken as in indirect indication of a drop in power. I will admit, though, that it's not entirely explicit.

As for the ki ball, well, perhaps the size of a ki attack is a better indication of its destructive power than the size of a person is of their ki? If that makes any sense to anyone.

[Draken]

May I ask you some questions ?
- Why didn't Goku mention any power drop whereas it's always the case in the entire manga ? Especially when it's supposed to be the source of his relief.
- Why is Goku judging Boo's ball on its size, right after ?

In this case, Goku's assertion that he and Vegeta could defeat Buu would be taken as in indirect indication of a drop in power. I will admit, though, that it's not entirely explicit.

As for the ki ball, well, perhaps the size of a ki attack is a better indication of its destructive power than the size of a person is of their ki? If that makes any sense to anyone.

Right, the size thing is a pretty big argument I've seen in the "can dbz solar system bust" debates. While many agree they might have the STRENGTH to do it, they might not be able to generate a ki attack BIG enough to engulf the entire solar system.

[Kamiccolo9]

Ehhh... It's made pointless in the end because Goku is the one who picks up all the slack and he has Shenlong erase everyone's memory of Majin Boo.

But what would you expect from the Majin Boo Saga?

Yeah, but they didn't know that they were going to make that wish at the time. I'm not saying that this is what was going through Goku's head, just throwing out an idea.
Maybe he didn't want to risk embarassing Vegeta by having Gotenks and Gohan show him up?

Fate of all creations > Vegeta's pride

Besides, I think Vegeta would be fine with it given that redemption of his.

Yeah, but did Goku know at the time that Vegeta had had his epiphany and accepted that Goku was better than him. Regardless, I'm not saying I believe this, just throwing out possible reasons for Goku not to bring Gohan and Gotenks.

[Saiga]

Maybe Vegeta is smarter than we think. If we really think about it, both Gotenks and Gohan are far stronger than Pure Buu. If they fought, Buu would feel pressured and find a way to absorb Gohan. If that had happened everyone would have been screwed. The Genki Dama was the perfect plan because it was an attack just powerful enough to finish the job. Plus it's not formed from Goku's power so Buu wouldn't gain the Genki Dama's power by absorbing Goku. While it doesn't seem like a preferred plan, it is

I like this as an in-universe answer, it wouldn't surprise me if Vegeta wouldn't trust Gohan and Gotenks to fight one-on-one without being absorbed. And that's fair, there's not much one can do to avoid it that we've seen.

[RandomGuy96]

...Buu's really, really cheap isn't he?

[Saiga]

...Buu's really, really cheap isn't he?

Yeah, he really is.

[Bussani]

There is no conversation - it's basically bickering and people asserting that they are more correct than I am

You keep accusing people of things like this, but from where I'm sitting, you're the absolute biggest offender.

He only talked about a difference in reaction, in behavior. He stated at the beginning of the sentence that both have the same amount of power, and then he didn't contradict himself, so the conclusion is that courage doesn't change the amount of power.

I can see how you can come to that conclusion, but that reasoning isn't airtight enough for me to dismiss the other interpretation.

[rereboy]

Maybe Vegeta is smarter than we think. If we really think about it, both Gotenks and Gohan are far stronger than Pure Buu. If they fought, Buu would feel pressured and find a way to absorb Gohan. If that had happened everyone would have been screwed. The Genki Dama was the perfect plan because it was an attack just powerful enough to finish the job. Plus it's not formed from Goku's power so Buu wouldn't gain the Genki Dama's power by absorbing Goku. While it doesn't seem like a preferred plan, it is

That's been my opinion for a while, but it would only really have worked in the manga if Vegeta had answered something along those lines to Goku when he suggested bringing Gohan and the kids to the fight, besides all the "its time for the earthlings to contribute".

Still, my personal opinion is that Vegeta thought something along those lines even though he didn't mention it.

[DBZAOTA482]

...Buu's really, really cheap isn't he?

Yes, but the true villain of the arc is Kaioshin. I mean, if you knew Boo can absorb people then why didn't he warn the Saiyans about him before it was too late? Gohan and Gotenks could have made short works with Boo.

[Saiga]

...Buu's really, really cheap isn't he?

Yes, but the true villain of the arc is Kaioshin. I mean, if you knew Boo can absorb people then why didn't he warn the Saiyans about him before it was too late? Gohan and Gotenks could have made short works with Boo.

I never even thought of this. I always brushed off Kaioshin not giving intel on Boo's abilities because he didn't know the specifics. But he DID know about absorption, arguably Boo's most dangerous ability... geez.

[DBZAOTA482]

...Buu's really, really cheap isn't he?

Yes, but the true villain of the arc is Kaioshin. I mean, if you knew Boo can absorb people then why didn't he warn the Saiyans about him before it was too late? Gohan and Gotenks could have made short works with Boo.

I never even thought of this. I always brushed off Kaioshin not giving intel on Boo's abilities because he didn't know the specifics. But he DID know about absorption, arguably Boo's most dangerous ability... geez.

It's hard to believe that he's actually above Kaio-sama yet he's so naive and stupid. When I saw what his plan was, I blew a gasket. All he was good for was bringing Gohan to the Kaio realms, otherwise he might as well have an M on his head for the help he was.

[Pan-Pan]

How is the "we can deal with him now" only from his point of view? [...] The second one was directly stated to reduce his size while implying his ki dropped as well, stated by the quote Kaboom so nicely provided over and over and over again, and Goku says he is now fightable by Goku. Fact.

This is called a personal deduction. You think his power dropped because you think Goku judged him on his ki. That's your interpretation. But I think Goku judged him on his size. And you can't prove Goku judged him on his ki.

Goku, still scared to take on Super Buu after drastically lowering his power, because he was still too strong.

I showed that Goku may have lied.

Also, find us ONE instance in which Buu absorbed someone for the hell of it and it didn't give him any sort of tactical advantage.

Did you really read the post above yours ? Dai Kaioshin is an instance.

For Buu to absorb Kaioshin for the lulz and not for strength and advantage would be completely out of character, so we can assume that South Kaioshin was strong and he needed to absorb him for a clear victory.

You can't compare with Evil Boo, he doesn't have the same mind. Pure Boo is irrational and can't even speak. And no, you can't assume a thing when there is not even one hint of that.

So since Goku says "we", is Vegeta stronger than Gohan?

He says right after they have to train.

In this case, Goku's assertion that he and Vegeta could defeat Buu would be taken as in indirect indication of a drop in power. I will admit, though, that it's not entirely explicit.

You didn't answer the question.

As for the ki ball, well, perhaps the size of a ki attack is a better indication of its destructive power than the size of a person is of their ki? If that makes any sense to anyone.

Whether it's a big ki ball or a burly guy, you can't say how much powerful they are just by their appearance. We saw many attacks bigger than Boo's ball and yet less powerful.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

What difference would his size make if his power stayed the same? Is it because his body is smaller and his reach (despite the fact that he could stretch like crazy) would put him at a disadvantage? Really? I just don't see how a smaller Boo makes the battle easier for Goku and Vegeta.......unless he's weaker than before.

As for the lying while inside Super Boo--I seriously doubt it. It makes no sense for him to actually take note of how significantly weaker Super Boo is, only to lie about the fact that Boo is still too powerful for either of them to fight. The entire plan was to return Boo to his initial form and go from there, so we know Goku originally thought they might've had a chance against Super Boo. His power just didn't decrease enough for them to fight without fusion. It'd be totally out of place for Goku to lie there.

There's also the fact that he was perfectly willing to merge (permanently) again once they went outside had Vegeta not destroyed the Potara, so that's enough to imply his own Super Saiyan 3 level isn't anywhere near enough to fight Super Boo. And I know he's the villain an all, but Super Boo pretty much states Goku and Vegeta can't do anything to him now that they can't combine...and Super Boo is humble enough to admit when his opponent is pretty good or not. To Boo, Vegito was a threat; Goku, on the otherhand, is not.

[TheMightyOzaru]

It should be noted that Super Buu was completely confident he could beat Goku and Vegeta after Goku blurted out that they couldn't fuse. Also note that Super Buu saw Ssj3 Goku's power when Goku was about to fight Buutenks. Super Buu knows how powerful Goku is and he laughed him off.

[Pan-Pan]

What difference would his size make if his power stayed the same?

I guess they didn't feel his power.

I just don't see how a smaller Boo makes the battle easier for Goku and Vegeta.......unless he's weaker than before.

Then why is Vegeta laughing about his size ?

As for the lying while inside Super Boo--I seriously doubt it. It makes no sense for him to actually take note of how significantly weaker Super Boo is, only to lie about the fact that Boo is still too powerful for either of them to fight. The entire plan was to return Boo to his initial form and go from there, so we know Goku originally thought they might've had a chance against Super Boo. His power just didn't decrease enough for them to fight without fusion. It'd be totally out of place for Goku to lie there.

Goku said he wanted to use Fusion to defeat fat Boo if Gohan and Vegeta weren't dead.
In each case, he preferred to use Fusion rather than his SS3.

It should be noted that Super Buu was completely confident he could beat Goku and Vegeta after Goku blurted out that they couldn't fuse. Also note that Super Buu saw Ssj3 Goku's power when Goku was about to fight Buutenks. Super Buu knows how powerful Goku is and he laughed him off.

When Goku turned into SS3 in front of Buutenks who was rushing on him, I don't think he had time to go up to full power.

[rereboy]

Then why is Vegeta laughing about his size ?

Because even his size became less intimidating. Of course, Vegeta wouldn't laugh if he had actually become stronger despite his small size, but since he actually became weaker (to the point that he could be managed by them) and even his size looked less intimidating, he commented on that, making fun of him.

And no, Vegeta wasn't miscalculating Buu's power at that point because him and Goku said that they could manage him at that point and that opinion didn't change, not even when they were actually fighting him.

[Kaboom]

Goku and Vegeta are not so dumb and inexperienced that they'd judge someone only on their size or appearance. If suddenly they believe they can take on this new form of Boo, then that sure as hell means his ki has dropped.