"Cuffing" of Kamehameha

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"Cuffing" of Kamehameha

Post by kvon » Wed Apr 19, 2006 8:38 pm

Hey, all.

Check these two images:

http://img135.imagevenue.com/img.php?lo ... 8_Cuff.jpg
http://img107.imagevenue.com/img.php?lo ... _Cuff2.jpg

These two images are both showing Goku charging up for the Kamehameha, but, as shown, the positionings are different.

I remember in DragonBall, both Goku and Muten Roshi used the first type of "cuffing", but then got inconsistent later on. For example, Goku cuffed his hands similar to the second image when he fought against Raditz, but then cuffed it similar to the first image in Fusion Reborn. At first I thought Goku began to cuffed it a different way for stronger effect, but I gave up this theory when his style of cuffing went back to the first image.

Now, in Budokai 3, Adult Gohan was cuffing the second way while executing Super Kamehameha. And in Final Bout, he was cuffing the first way. Hmm...Video game inconsistencies...

Question of the day: Are there reasons for these styles to change from time to time? (I haven't read much of the manga so I don't know if the styles in the manga were inconsistent as well.)

If you ask me which one is more comfortable, I tried both ways and felt that the first style is easier than the second because I kind of have to force both of my hands to align in the second style and not in the first.
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Post by Cyberman » Wed Apr 19, 2006 8:49 pm

I don't think it really matters, just a drawing thing. I would think bending the fingers(like in the 1st image) would be a bit more uncomfortable.

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Post by _Jrinu_ » Wed Apr 19, 2006 9:01 pm

Well when the Kamehameha was first introduced in Dragonball it was shown as going through a series of hand gestures as shown here: http://www.geocities.com/gohanextreme30 ... ameha.html

Muten Roshi is seen doing this in "Budokai Tenkaichi" when he performs his attack called "The original Kamehameha"

Later on for whatever reason, the Kamehameha was shortened down to just cupping the hands behind your back.

So basically, in your pictures you can see how one is more closely realted to the original style than the other.
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Re: "Cuffing" of Kamehameha

Post by HP » Wed Apr 19, 2006 9:23 pm

kvon wrote:Hey, all.

Check these two images:

http://img135.imagevenue.com/img.php?lo ... 8_Cuff.jpg
http://img107.imagevenue.com/img.php?lo ... _Cuff2.jpg

These two images are both showing Goku charging up for the Kamehameha, but, as shown, the positionings are different.
Very good point. That's something I have noticed for a long time and has allways puzzled me!
Why the hell are there 2 ways to do the Kamehameha :?: :!: :?
This must be an inconsisntence :!:
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Post by Saiyan » Wed Apr 19, 2006 10:04 pm

Well, it could be the circumstances. I mean, in close ups, they probably use cuff one, but for far away shots, like the second screen shot you showed us, they made it like cuff two, to lessen the difficulty between frames and such.

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Post by Slickmasterfunk » Wed Apr 19, 2006 10:53 pm

I've noticed the two different ways numerous times throughout all of DB/Z/GT and the movies. Since I don't own any of the manga, I was wondering if it was drwan incosistently in the manga too? If that's the case the animators were probably just imitating what they saw in that particular scene in the manga.

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Post by Duo » Thu Apr 20, 2006 3:47 am

I'm not exactly eager to check through every usage of the technique, but as far as I can remember from the Manga I've read countless times, there were three consistencies to the Kamehameha.

- The fingers were curled
- The bottoms of the palms / beginnings of wrists touched
- It was charged tucked behind and on the waist.

The second image doesn't look like anything I've ever seen from the Manga when it comes to performing the Kamehameha.

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Post by Daizensushi-x » Thu Apr 20, 2006 8:08 am

Duo wrote:I'm not exactly eager to check through every usage of the technique, but as far as I can remember from the Manga I've read countless times, there were three consistencies to the Kamehameha.

- The fingers were curled
- The bottoms of the palms / beginnings of wrists touched
- It was charged tucked behind and on the waist.

The second image doesn't look like anything I've ever seen from the Manga when it comes to performing the Kamehameha.
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Post by DaemonCorps » Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:38 am

I would go with the first pic as the actual way to do a Kamehameha (if you don't include all of those pre hand movements)-- being bored and actually doing a Kamehameha pose, I noticed that the second pic is much more uncomfortable to do :oops:.

I'm going with "it's just an inconsistency" thing. That and I think that one doesn't even need to charge it up like that. I mean, if they can perform one without doing all the pre-poses that Roshi did, then I think that one can do it just by holding their hand out.

You see Gohan do it with one arm vs Cell, so you know it's possible perhaps when forced to do so). Goku also performs it, making a blast with both hands when underwater vs. Frieza.

My conclusion: the first hands cuffed pic is the preferred way of pulling off the Kamehameha, but one can do it without "cuffing" if your enemy is up in your face and broke your arm or something.

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Post by desirecampbell » Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:56 am

DaemonCorps wrote:I would go with the first pic as the actual way to do a Kamehameha (if you don't include all of those pre hand movements)-- being bored and actually doing a Kamehameha pose, I noticed that the second pic is much more uncomfortable to do :oops:.

I'm going with "it's just an inconsistency" thing. That and I think that one doesn't even need to charge it up like that. I mean, if they can perform one without doing all the pre-poses that Roshi did, then I think that one can do it just by holding their hand out.

You see Gohan do it with one arm vs Cell, so you know it's possible perhaps when forced to do so). Goku also performs it, making a blast with both hands when underwater vs. Freeza.

My conclusion: the first hands cuffed pic is the preferred way of pulling off the Kamehameha, but one can do it without "cuffing" if your enemy is up in your face and broke your arm or something.
I'm just going with 'a kamehameha is a kamehameha is a kamehameha'. Whether it's 'cupped like 1' or 'cupped like 2' or 'one handed' or 'from the feet'.

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Post by tarsonis » Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:09 pm

I think most techniques and attacks come from the way someone manipulates their ki, rather than from the hand movement. So the cupped thing may be useful, but not necessarily required.

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Post by Duo » Thu Apr 20, 2006 3:03 pm

That is because it was only shown in "The Plan to Destroy the Saiyans"--that Playdia OVA.
I'm aware that the image is non-canon. What I was saying is that the posture doesn't resemble any instance of the Kamehameha being used in the Manga.

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Post by Pedro The Hutt » Thu Apr 20, 2006 3:15 pm

Eh, as said above, it's not too important how you hold your hands, seeing how a Kamehameha can even be fired from the feet.

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Post by Nekoni » Thu Apr 20, 2006 5:39 pm

The kamehame ha does apear to have changed quite a lot over time... but it is the ki manipulation that's important *nod* the motions are just like Ginyu's dances... you wouldn't -need- to do odd things to perform the tecnique. (Heck, Goku can shoot them from his feet. That's hardly... normal...)

This is kinda' similar to shuken idou. First Goku has to stand there and concentrate, fingers to his forehead; and next thing you know he can disapear in an instant..
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Post by GL6401: Son Goku » Sun Apr 23, 2006 9:08 pm

I hate when the Kamehameha wave is done quickly. The best looking one is the one from Dead Zone. He actually does the hand movements and stances. Later on, he just pulls back and shoots it.
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Post by Panda » Sun Apr 23, 2006 9:28 pm

Having experience in martial arts in general, it could easily be that Goku has simply developed his own way of handling the Kamehameha. Perhaps during the early episodes and movies it was more of a mandatory thing to take certain stances and hand gestures in order to fire a Kamehameha properly. Over time, as Goku grew stronger and more independant in his training, he developed a quicker and more effective way to fire the blast.

Think of it as any regular martial arts move. When you first learn something (and for a long time) you do it correctly very slowly until you've managed to find the fastest way to hit your opponent while still being effective. Dragonball is, after all, a martial arts anime :roll:
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