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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Fri May 03, 2013 9:47 pm

Saiga wrote:The gap between Yamcha and Chaozu was already quite large, so it's entirely possible that he was still ahead by the time the Boo arc rolled around.
Sure it's possible. But it's not definite.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Saiga » Fri May 03, 2013 9:59 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Saiga wrote:The gap between Yamcha and Chaozu was already quite large, so it's entirely possible that he was still ahead by the time the Boo arc rolled around.
Sure it's possible. But it's not definite.
I know that. But it's the opposite that's being said - that Yamcha is definitely weaker despite being complete speculation.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by penguintruth » Fri May 03, 2013 10:41 pm

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Storm wrote:I'm the same way. Nozawa's as talented as they come, but I still can't get used to her battle sounds, screaming, grunts, groans, any of that. It fit better when she was kid Goku (which is probably her best work, in my opinion), not to mention it hasn't gotten any better with her age.
I agree. I consider Nozawa the best Goku, but sometimes I can't stand her battle sounds, screaming, grunts, and groans. Its worse when I hear Bardock and Gohan sound similar which really puts me off.
But those little things are part of what makes her Goku so good!

Plus, EVERYONE in the Japanese cast does that TCHHHKKKCHHH thing where they breath between gritted teeth.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Storm » Fri May 03, 2013 10:45 pm

Yeah, but none of the other actors make that URWAHH sound when they get batted away. Her range is great for speaking and emoting, but her battle cries get old fast. None of the other seiyuus' bother me as much.

Though GKKKKT wears on you after a while regardless of who it is.

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun May 05, 2013 7:13 am

I hate Vegetto.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sun May 05, 2013 10:56 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:I hate Vegetto.
Why? He's the only person who did anything worthwhile in the entire arc.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by TheGmGoken » Sun May 05, 2013 12:50 pm

I think Future Gohan is over rated.

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Post by Insertclevername » Sun May 05, 2013 3:26 pm

I like the Artificial Human to Boo arc (and GT) art style a lot.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun May 05, 2013 4:01 pm

Why? He's the only person who did anything worthwhile in the entire arc.
A. He's pointless. He didn't defeat Buu and he got introduced just to defuse. You can cut out his whole fight and contrive another way for Goku and Vegeta to get absorbed and nothing would change.

B. He's boring. His entire appearance is just devoid of any tension because he's so invincible. He just turns the whole thing into a gag.

C. He's a combination of two of my least favorite characters, who were shoehorned into this arc (and in Goku's case, retconned to be more important) because lolGoku.

D. He's overpowered for thinly explained reasons and repeatedly pulls new abilities out of his ass (oh yeah, I can totally survive transmutation, and I can totally not get thrown into a pod when absorbed).

E. He induced idiocy in Buu by existing. Buu never ever needed to turn him back into Vegetto after he hit with the candy beam; as a jawbreaker Vegetto would be totally incapable of actually killing Buu.

F. Like 95% of the Buu Saga, he's basically filler. In a larger sense you can cut out the whole Super Buu/Gohan/Gotenks/Vegetto segment of the saga and nothing would change. But at least Super Buu is actually an enjoyable character.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by TheGmGoken » Sun May 05, 2013 6:59 pm

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Why? He's the only person who did anything worthwhile in the entire arc.
A. He's pointless. He didn't defeat Buu and he got introduced just to defuse. You can cut out his whole fight and contrive another way for Goku and Vegeta to get absorbed and nothing would change.

B. He's boring. His entire appearance is just devoid of any tension because he's so invincible. He just turns the whole thing into a gag.

C. He's a combination of two of my least favorite characters, who were shoehorned into this arc (and in Goku's case, retconned to be more important) because lolGoku.

D. He's overpowered for thinly explained reasons and repeatedly pulls new abilities out of his ass (oh yeah, I can totally survive transmutation, and I can totally not get thrown into a pod when absorbed).

E. He induced idiocy in Buu by existing. Buu never ever needed to turn him back into Vegetto after he hit with the candy beam; as a jawbreaker Vegetto would be totally incapable of actually killing Buu.

F. Like 95% of the Buu Saga, he's basically filler. In a larger sense you can cut out the whole Super Buu/Gohan/Gotenks/Vegetto segment of the saga and nothing would change. But at least Super Buu is actually an enjoyable character.
A. You can imply the same thing to Gotenks and Gohan. That's Boo saga for ya.
B. Gotenks did the same thing. Hell every Villain has turn a fight into a gag and toy with their prey. Vegito had a reason to not be serious unlike all the other Villains and Gotenks. Vegito could have been serious.
C.I doubt Goku and Vegeta can create a barrier that is strong enough to counter Boo's absorption.
D. You're really complaining about him being overpowered. Goten and Trunks are oped not Vegito. Goten and Trunks are powerful with little to no training. Vegito is Goku and Vegeta who busted their ass off to get power. Especially Vegeta.
E. Vegito is a smart guy. He had a plan and he stick to it. He needed it to save his family and friends. Boo is not that smart to begin with. Maybe Gotenks and Piccolo Boo but after he ate Gohan was a cocky fighter who's an idiot when it comes to fighting. Similar to Gohan after the 7 year time skip.
F. How can you blame that on Vegito? You acting like he WROTE the story. Boo arc needed filler to be honest. Super Buu was enjoyable till his ate Gotenks and Gohan. Here's a lesson. The AUTHOR writes the story not the characters. The characters are "fake".

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by sonikku956 » Mon May 06, 2013 8:48 pm

I don't like the whole concept of a Saiyan. A monkey-like human that grows into a giant monkey during the full moon and is naturally evil? To me, that sounds kinda lame.

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Post by Saiga » Tue May 07, 2013 1:03 am

I also hate Vegetto.
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Post by Zephyr » Tue May 07, 2013 3:12 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:B. He's boring. His entire appearance is just devoid of any tension because he's so invincible. He just turns the whole thing into a gag.

D. He's overpowered for thinly explained reasons and repeatedly pulls new abilities out of his ass (oh yeah, I can totally survive transmutation, and I can totally not get thrown into a pod when absorbed).
Dragon Ball is built on gags. Every serious moment in the series shares continuity with a good number of gags. There are events resulting directly from the gags that lead to the rest of the series being able to happen. What I'm trying to say is that gags are a core element to the story. Hell, I'd even argue that the insane degree to which characters grow in power could be interpreted as a meta-gag in and of itself.

I think Vegetto does a great job of being a late-story gag.

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Post by BejitaSama » Tue May 07, 2013 3:54 am

I think Super Buu is overestimated.
I don't like Broly.
I like East Kaioshin :lol:

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue May 07, 2013 11:38 am

BejitaSama wrote: I like East Kaioshin :lol:
I like him too. Plus, I think all the kaioshins, anime included, have really cool designs.
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Post by Kid Buu » Tue May 07, 2013 7:29 pm

So I rewatching GT, and I actually don't mind Pan. She was pretty decent for a kid protagonist, the storyline just give her much to work with. Then again, you could say that for pretty much any non-Goku character.
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Post by Ringworm128 » Tue May 07, 2013 7:34 pm

penguintruth wrote:
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Storm wrote:I'm the same way. Nozawa's as talented as they come, but I still can't get used to her battle sounds, screaming, grunts, groans, any of that. It fit better when she was kid Goku (which is probably her best work, in my opinion), not to mention it hasn't gotten any better with her age.
I agree. I consider Nozawa the best Goku, but sometimes I can't stand her battle sounds, screaming, grunts, and groans. Its worse when I hear Bardock and Gohan sound similar which really puts me off.
But those little things are part of what makes her Goku so good!

Plus, EVERYONE in the Japanese cast does that TCHHHKKKCHHH thing where they breath between gritted teeth.
Except that's not the sound you get when you breath through gritted teath, you get a wispy ssssss sound not "THKCH". To even get something like that you have to push air to the top of the inside of your mouth and create a strain (for lack of a better word) on the top of the inside of your mouth, which is very different from breathing through gritted teath.

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Post by TheGmGoken » Tue May 07, 2013 8:01 pm

Kid Buu wrote:So I rewatching GT, and I actually don't mind Pan. She was pretty decent for a kid protagonist, the storyline just give her much to work with. Then again, you could say that for pretty much any non-Goku character.
I hate her lol. But for differ reasons then most. Most people most likely hate her because she's a main character and Uuub,Goten,Trunks(Post Black star DB arc), Vegeta, and the person who quit fighting yet people still pissed about him not being a main character in Gt. The 90's boy! Son Gohan!

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Post by DBZ Mick » Tue May 07, 2013 8:04 pm

Kid Buu wrote:So I rewatching GT, and I actually don't mind Pan. She was pretty decent for a kid protagonist, the storyline just give her much to work with. Then again, you could say that for pretty much any non-Goku character.
I liked her, just wished they toned her anger and annoyingness down a notch. But by the end of the Evil Dragon arc she does seem to have mellowed a little.
It is in his character to be rude and a bit crass. He's a hick, with no formal education. That is Son Goku. That is who he is.

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Post by Insertclevername » Tue May 07, 2013 9:55 pm

Kid Buu wrote:So I rewatching GT, and I actually don't mind Pan. She was pretty decent for a kid protagonist, the storyline just give her much to work with. Then again, you could say that for pretty much any non-Goku character.
Same. I've never had a problem with her. Sure, she has an attitude and what not, but it's honestly not as bad as people make her out to be.
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