Androids 19 and 20 vs Freeza

kirkywirky · Post by **kirkywirky** » Sun May 07, 2006 9:24 pm

Obviously, Androids 18 and 17 are much more powerful that Freeza. But I was wondering, are Androids 19 and 20 (Dr. Gero) stronger than Freeza?

MisterFlashdude · Post by **MisterFlashdude** » Sun May 07, 2006 9:27 pm

I'd say they're on about the same level, if not slightly more. The guys dealt with them easily enough, but you have to keep in mind that they were warned and trained very hard for that moment.

kirkywirky · Post by **kirkywirky** » Sun May 07, 2006 9:31 pm

So maybe that would mean nobody will win if Android 20 OR 19 fights Freeza. Oh, how I love to see them go at it.

MisterFlashdude · Post by **MisterFlashdude** » Sun May 07, 2006 9:39 pm

If you mean them fighting against eachother, you'd have to take their abilites into question. The androids don't have any data on Freeza like they did with the rest of them (As evident by the fact they didn't know Goku could go super saiya-jin.)

Without that advantage, I'd say Freeza is the smarter fighter. The Androids have an infinite energy supply, however, and the abilites to absorb ki blasts.

If the two of them ganged up on Freeza, I'd definetly say the androids. But one on one, I'd have to bet on Freeza. He isn't a major villian for no reason.

theoriginalbilis · Post by **theoriginalbilis** » Sun May 07, 2006 10:40 pm

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kirkywirky · Post by **kirkywirky** » Sun May 07, 2006 10:46 pm

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veshira · Post by **veshira** » Sun May 07, 2006 10:58 pm

Well, if a slightly sick (gets sicker) SSJ Goku had trouble with 19, then got his energy drained making 19 stronger, and then the newly SSJ Vegeta had some trouble with him, and after all that training, I definately think 19 and 20 could gang up on Freeza and beat him. Heck, 19 alone could take on Freeza by him/itsself, given Freeza doesn't know about 19's energy absorbing technique.

Great Saiyaman · Post by **Great Saiyaman** » Mon May 08, 2006 12:33 am

Goku was getting pretty sick before he even went SSJ & at first he was making a fool of 19....plus not to mention, Piccolo kicked 20's ass.....so 100% Freeza would be extremly powerful and woop 19 & 20.

Swift · Post by **Swift** » Mon May 08, 2006 3:32 am

In order for #19 and #20 to be as "weak" as Freeza, it seems like the Z Fighters would have had to gain next to no strength in those three years of training, which doesn't make sense (especially considering how much they gained in one year in the RoSaTe). I don't remember the fights extremely well, but 19 could at least put up somewhat of a fight, while Freeza stood absolutely no chance against Trunks (and Freeza was stronger, too, with the cyborg enhancements). And I bet they had gotten a lot stronger in three years than Trunks was back then.

I'd say that Freeza would probably lose in a one-on-one battle against 19 or 20, or, at least, have a very, very difficult time winning.

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Mon May 08, 2006 7:09 am

MisterFlashdude wrote:The Androids have an infinite energy supply, however, and the abilites to absorb ki blasts.

#19 and #20 do not have an infinate energy suppy. They have to keep absorbing it as they fight. #20 mentions something along these lines himself.

It was only #17 and #18 that were said to have unlimited energy. Trunks states this. Though he doesn't know anything about #16, so I don't know about him.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Mon May 08, 2006 2:40 pm

In order for #19 and #20 to be as "weak" as Freeza, it seems like the Z Fighters would have had to gain next to no strength in those three years of training, which doesn't make sense (especially considering how much they gained in one year in the RoSaTe).

Actually, it makes sense for them to be around Freeza's power in a way. Goku was weakened by the Heart Virus while fighting 19 who also got a power boost from his Kamehameha. Then, 19 absorbed his energy prior to fighting Vegeta and was still man-handled by him.

Plus, I can't see Piccolo's power jumping up to a level significantly stronger than Freeza in just three years of training.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Mon May 08, 2006 3:02 pm

Xyex wrote:
In order for #19 and #20 to be as "weak" as Freeza, it seems like the Z Fighters would have had to gain next to no strength in those three years of training, which doesn't make sense (especially considering how much they gained in one year in the RoSaTe).
Actually, it makes sense for them to be around Freeza's power in a way. Goku was weakened by the Heart Virus while fighting 19 who also got a power boost from his Kamehameha. Then, 19 absorbed his energy prior to fighting Vegeta and was still man-handled by him.

Plus, I can't see Piccolo's power jumping up to a level significantly stronger than Freeza in just three years of training.

I agree. Remember that when Freeza showed up on Earth no one was any stronger than they were on Namek, no one was training.

When Goku showed up he was already way more powerful than Freeza. So training with Piccolo and Gohan was pretty useless. I mean, he's so much stronger than either of them that it's like Brue Lee working out with children. They would get much stronger in three years, but Goku wouldn't get much more powerful.

Didn't #20/Gero say something about them being stronger than Freeza though?

MisterFlashdude · Post by **MisterFlashdude** » Mon May 08, 2006 3:07 pm

desirecampbell wrote: Didn't #20/Gero say something about them being stronger than Freeza though?

I don't think so, they stopped monitoring Goku when he left for Namek, believing they had all the information they needed already. So, they wouldn't know about Freeza, Goku going SSJ, Kuririn/Gohan unlocking their 'hidden potential', or Piccolo fusing with Nail.

denitonis · Post by **denitonis** » Mon May 08, 2006 4:36 pm

I actually have wondered the same once in the past, though eventually figured the 2 androids were stronger but not by much.
For some reason #19 and #20 don't come off as very strong but seem to be able to fight a Super Saiyan better than Freeza was, even Mecha Freeza wasn't able to touch Trunks while I believe at least #19 did with Vegeta.
Anyway the main thought consisted of the thought that the further the serie progresses the stronger the enemy gets, I know it is lame and sometimes inaccurate considering a character like Pui Pui who wasn't stronger than the androids, but you get the idea.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Mon May 08, 2006 5:03 pm

denitonis wrote:Anyway the main thought consisted of the thought that the further the serie progresses the stronger the enemy gets, I know it is lame and sometimes inaccurate considering a character like Pui Pui who wasn't stronger than the androids, but you get the idea.

Well, it's true that the 'main' villian always gets stronger - but that's only because he 'has' to be stronger to be an enemy in the first place. No one brings up Pui Pui because he was weaker - so he doesn't stick around long.

It's really hard to say if 19/20 were stronger than Freeza. Theyt never fight Freeza, so we can't see a direct comparriaon. And everyone else we see beats them (but they're either obviously stronger than Freeza or we have no idea how strong they are).

_Jrinu_ · Post by **_Jrinu_** » Mon May 08, 2006 5:08 pm

MisterFlashdude wrote:
desirecampbell wrote: Didn't #20/Gero say something about them being stronger than Freeza though?
I don't think so, they stopped monitoring Goku when he left for Namek, believing they had all the information they needed already. So, they wouldn't know about Freeza, Goku going SSJ, Kuririn/Gohan unlocking their 'hidden potential', or Piccolo fusing with Nail.

They may not have ever mentioned being stronger than frieza, but Dr. Gero definatly knew who he was. He said that he was thrilled when Frieza arrived on earth because it gave him the opprotunity to extract his cells.

kirkywirky · Post by **kirkywirky** » Tue May 09, 2006 11:03 am

_Jrinu_ wrote:
MisterFlashdude wrote:
desirecampbell wrote: Didn't #20/Gero say something about them being stronger than Freeza though?
I don't think so, they stopped monitoring Goku when he left for Namek, believing they had all the information they needed already. So, they wouldn't know about Freeza, Goku going SSJ, Kuririn/Gohan unlocking their 'hidden potential', or Piccolo fusing with Nail.
They may not have ever mentioned being stronger than Freeza, but Dr. Gero definatly knew who he was. He said that he was thrilled when Freeza arrived on earth because it gave him the opprotunity to extract his cells.

And perhaps Freeza's arrival inspired Dr. Gero to create stronger androids. Maybe he realized that creating something like Android 8 during that time would be ridiculous. We'll never know what's inside a mind of a genius.

Chaos Saiyajin · Post by **Chaos Saiyajin** » Tue May 09, 2006 5:06 pm

Well, if SSJ Goku could fight Freeza three years after Freeza's death, then Freeza would be gone in a matter of seconds.

That being said, I would assume that #19 and #20 would have to be atleast on the level of Freeza or above, for Goku would've taken #19 out if not for his heart virus.

spirit · Post by **spirit** » Tue May 09, 2006 5:46 pm

Yes but, Son Goku did have a heart virus. I'll give it to you SSJ Son Goku is very tough but, you can't tell me the only time that the heart virus weakened him was when he collapsed at the end.

kirkywirky · Post by **kirkywirky** » Tue May 09, 2006 7:44 pm

I seem to believe that Android 19 and Android 20 is about the same level as Freeza's. When Goku first fought #19, it seemed that Son Goku was winning until his heart disease attacked. I believe that if Goku were fighting Freeza that time, the former would have done the same.

When Vegeta showed up, I believe more or less, some damages have been done to #19.. but of course were not reflected due to the Androids being "devoid of pain". That's why it seemed that defeating #19 was such a piece of cake to Vegeta.

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