How fast are the characters...

Sypheran · Post by **Sypheran** » Mon May 22, 2006 4:34 am

How fast are the characters in DBZ? Like... in DBZ? Can at least some characters go lightspeed? What's the fastest a character ever goes? Or what's the fastest a character can be assumed of going?

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Mon May 22, 2006 11:01 am

The only thing that can go the speed of light is the Shoken Ido technique.

AKA Instantaneous Movement.

AKA Instant Transmission.

And I heard it called Instant Translocation in the dub with Kirby Morrow as Goku.

Don't let dub Piccolo lead you to believe Raditz is faster than the speed of light. He most certainly isn't.

Last Son of Krypton · Post by **Last Son of Krypton** » Mon May 22, 2006 12:10 pm

The thing about Instant Transmission is that it is just that. Instant. And there isn't any speed involved either. It's a teleport. The only thing about it that takes time is the Goku has to find a source to lock on to.

MisterFlashdude · Post by **MisterFlashdude** » Mon May 22, 2006 12:25 pm

In the Viz manga, it's just called 'teleportation'.

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Mon May 22, 2006 3:48 pm

Wasn't it once stated that it works by travelling as a beam of light?

Metrite · Post by **Metrite** » Mon May 22, 2006 4:16 pm

The Lecherous Muten Roshi wrote:Wasn't it once stated that it works by travelling as a beam of light?

That was another misleading thing in the dub(I don't know why they try to mislead people on how things obviously were meant to be, did they just think it being light-speed would sound cooler?

). If it were light-speed it would've taken years for Goku to make the galaxy-crossing trips he does with it. It is the "instantaneous movement" because it gets Goku there in an instant.

Kaze no Mune · Post by **Kaze no Mune** » Mon May 22, 2006 4:53 pm

MisterFlashdude wrote:In the Viz manga, it's just called 'teleportation'.

I think I remember it being called that in one of the movies, with Dai Mao's translation. I could be wrong.

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Mon May 22, 2006 5:09 pm

Metrite wrote:
The Lecherous Muten Roshi wrote:Wasn't it once stated that it works by travelling as a beam of light?
That was another misleading thing in the dub(I don't know why they try to mislead people on how things obviously were meant to be, did they just think it being light-speed would sound cooler? ). If it were light-speed it would've taken years for Goku to make the galaxy-crossing trips he does with it. It is the "instantaneous movement" because it gets Goku there in an instant.

I need to get more DVDs and dispell my remaining faulty knowledge caused by years of dub watching.

Sypheran · Post by **Sypheran** » Mon May 22, 2006 10:07 pm

The Lecherous Muten Roshi wrote:The only thing that can go the speed of light is the Shoken Ido technique.

AKA Instantaneous Movement.

AKA Instant Transmission.

And I heard it called Instant Translocation in the dub with Kirby Morrow as Goku.

Don't let dub Piccolo lead you to believe Raditz is faster than the speed of light. He most certainly isn't.

Well... Goku, Tien, Yamcha, and Krillin ran at the speed of sound or whatever in Dragonball... Also... In Dragonball Z, Goku tries to follow Frieza's image (but can't) and then Frieza appears in front of him and says "You are trying to follow the light, it won't work." (or something like that)... That sure sounds like Frieza's saying that he's moving faster then the light and thus Goku isn't going to be able to see Frieza (once one goes the speed of light, it can no longer be seen)

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Tue May 23, 2006 2:17 am

Sypheran wrote:
The Lecherous Muten Roshi wrote:The only thing that can go the speed of light is the Shoken Ido technique.

AKA Instantaneous Movement.

AKA Instant Transmission.

And I heard it called Instant Translocation in the dub with Kirby Morrow as Goku.

Don't let dub Piccolo lead you to believe Raditz is faster than the speed of light. He most certainly isn't.
Well... Goku, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, and Krillin ran at the speed of sound or whatever in Dragonball... Also... In Dragonball Z, Goku tries to follow Freeza's image (but can't) and then Freeza appears in front of him and says "You are trying to follow the light, it won't work." (or something like that)... That sure sounds like Freeza's saying that he's moving faster then the light and thus Goku isn't going to be able to see Freeza (once one goes the speed of light, it can no longer be seen)

That's still not light speed. Cause the Z Fighters have been doing that since the 21st Budokai. Moving faster than the eye can keep up. It's not faster than light, just faster than the eye (a trick magiains use, at that).

Sypheran · Post by **Sypheran** » Tue May 23, 2006 2:30 am

Xyex wrote:
Sypheran wrote:
The Lecherous Muten Roshi wrote:The only thing that can go the speed of light is the Shoken Ido technique.

AKA Instantaneous Movement.

AKA Instant Transmission.

And I heard it called Instant Translocation in the dub with Kirby Morrow as Goku.

Don't let dub Piccolo lead you to believe Raditz is faster than the speed of light. He most certainly isn't.
Well... Goku, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, and Krillin ran at the speed of sound or whatever in Dragonball... Also... In Dragonball Z, Goku tries to follow Freeza's image (but can't) and then Freeza appears in front of him and says "You are trying to follow the light, it won't work." (or something like that)... That sure sounds like Freeza's saying that he's moving faster then the light and thus Goku isn't going to be able to see Freeza (once one goes the speed of light, it can no longer be seen)
That's still not light speed. Cause the Z Fighters have been doing that since the 21st Budokai. Moving faster than the eye can keep up. It's not faster than light, just faster than the eye (a trick magiains use, at that).

Actually, they've moved so fast that they no longer have an image, that's going beyond the speed of light. If they were going the speed of light at least a blurr would be created, but once byond the speed of light no image is created... (Light refects off of an object and then goes to ones eyes, which gives us images, if an object moves faster then light an image will not be created as the object is moving to fast for the light to catch it and refect off)

Also, on Namek, Goku is trying to watch Frieza but can't cause Frieza is moving to fast, then Frieza appears in front of him and says "You are trying to follow the light, that won't work", which means that Frieza was moving faster then light.

Sebastian (SB) · Post by **Sebastian (SB)** » Tue May 23, 2006 11:55 am

After skimming through "Dragon Ball" Tonkobons Volumes 26-28 (DBZ Vol. 10-12) there is no apparant mention of Freeza ever saying to Son Goku of following the "speed of light". I'm not denying that they were that "quick" or going the "speed of light", but I'd like to think they were going pretty fast but there's mention of "speed of light" whatsoever. I may be wrong though.

veshira · Post by **veshira** » Tue May 23, 2006 1:18 pm

The Lecherous Muten Roshi wrote:Don't let dub Piccolo lead you to believe Raditz is faster than the speed of light. He most certainly isn't.

Though he's faster than a speeding bullet, and able to fly over tall buildings and hit farmers hard enough that they back into their cars.

I'm pretty sure that no character can move at light speed, unless you count characters that can Teleport, or:

The Lecherous Muten Roshi wrote:the Shoken Ido technique.

AKA Instantaneous Movement.

AKA Instant Transmission.

On wikipedia, it's said that the Shunkan Ido technique (which I just call Teleport, like it is in the Viz manga) moves at the speed of "thought." Watching the 6th movie, I have to wonder if the Shunkan Ido actually transports you to a seperate, parallel plane.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Tue May 23, 2006 3:54 pm

veshira wrote:On wikipedia, it's said that the Shoken Ido technique (which I just call Teleport, like it is in the Viz manga) moves at the speed of "thought." Watching the 6th movie, I have to wonder if the Shoken Ido actually transports you to a seperate, parallel plane.

That'd actually make sense. Other than that it works by homing in on a ki signature, not much was ever really explained about Shunkan-Ido. Dimension-hopping would explain it, especially as to how Goku can teleport himself to the afterlife with it.

EDIT: Fixed Typo on weird japanese words. Stupid cheap library computer keyboards! Darn you all to heck!

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Tue May 23, 2006 4:59 pm

The move is called "Shunkan Idô," literally Instantaneous Movement.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Wed May 24, 2006 1:55 am

Sypheran wrote:
Xyex wrote:
Sypheran wrote: Well... Goku, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, and Krillin ran at the speed of sound or whatever in Dragonball... Also... In Dragonball Z, Goku tries to follow Freeza's image (but can't) and then Freeza appears in front of him and says "You are trying to follow the light, it won't work." (or something like that)... That sure sounds like Freeza's saying that he's moving faster then the light and thus Goku isn't going to be able to see Freeza (once one goes the speed of light, it can no longer be seen)
That's still not light speed. Cause the Z Fighters have been doing that since the 21st Budokai. Moving faster than the eye can keep up. It's not faster than light, just faster than the eye (a trick magiains use, at that).
Actually, they've moved so fast that they no longer have an image, that's going beyond the speed of light. If they were going the speed of light at least a blurr would be created, but once byond the speed of light no image is created... (Light refects off of an object and then goes to ones eyes, which gives us images, if an object moves faster then light an image will not be created as the object is moving to fast for the light to catch it and refect off)

Also, on Namek, Goku is trying to watch Freeza but can't cause Freeza is moving to fast, then Freeza appears in front of him and says "You are trying to follow the light, that won't work", which means that Freeza was moving faster then light.

I repeat. They have been doing that since Dragonball. Roshi and Krillin did it in their very first match and I think we can agree they were not moving at the speed of light. So, as I said, that is proof of nothing.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Wed May 24, 2006 3:06 am

Sypheran wrote:Actually, they've moved so fast that they no longer have an image, that's going beyond the speed of light. If they were going the speed of light at least a blurr would be created, but once byond the speed of light no image is created... (Light refects off of an object and then goes to ones eyes, which gives us images, if an object moves faster then light an image will not be created as the object is moving to fast for the light to catch it and refect off)

Also, on Namek, Goku is trying to watch Freeza but can't cause Freeza is moving to fast, then Freeza appears in front of him and says "You are trying to follow the light, that won't work", which means that Freeza was moving faster then light.

Bull. If Freeza was moving at light speed, he'd travel completely around the planet several times in a second. He could kill Goku with a single punch is he had that kinda of speed.

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Wed May 24, 2006 11:46 am

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:The move is called "Shunkan Idô," literally Instantaneous Movement.

I knew that it translated as that, but thanks for fixing my horrible spelling of it. I realized after that there must be an "n" in there somewhere.

Sypheran · Post by **Sypheran** » Wed May 24, 2006 4:36 pm

Rocketman wrote:
Sypheran wrote:Actually, they've moved so fast that they no longer have an image, that's going beyond the speed of light. If they were going the speed of light at least a blurr would be created, but once byond the speed of light no image is created... (Light refects off of an object and then goes to ones eyes, which gives us images, if an object moves faster then light an image will not be created as the object is moving to fast for the light to catch it and refect off)

Also, on Namek, Goku is trying to watch Freeza but can't cause Freeza is moving to fast, then Freeza appears in front of him and says "You are trying to follow the light, that won't work", which means that Freeza was moving faster then light.
Bull. If Freeza was moving at light speed, he'd travel completely around the planet several times in a second. He could kill Goku with a single punch is he had that kinda of speed.

1.) Not if Goku was moving just as fast he would't, just because a person could move at the speed of light doesn't mean that they'd go around the entire planet, what if they went that fast only for a mili second? If you remember, Goku and Frieza's entire fight only lasted less then 5 mintues, and as we all know, scenes are sometimes slown to see what's actually going on (which is how 5 mintues took over 2 hours). Also, if you didn't know light would go around the planet, Earth, 8 times in a second...

2.) Frieza says "You are trying to follow the light, that won't work" or something like that. The reason that he tells goku that it wont work is because he's going so fast that the light cannot keep up with him and thus he doesn't have any image for Goku to see (and so Goku has to fight him through sencing his energy)

3.) Master Roshi's Kamehameha got to the Moon, and destroyed it, in only a few seconds. That means that the Kamehameha was at least going the speed of light (which makes sence because it's made of Ki which is energy and energy travels at the speed of light). Now if the Kamehameha travels at the speed of light it makes complete sence that the characters move beyond the speed of light because they can dodge the Kamehameha.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Wed May 24, 2006 6:06 pm

Sypheran wrote:1.) Not if Goku was moving just as fast he would't, just because a person could move at the speed of light doesn't mean that they'd go around the entire planet, what if they went that fast only for a mili second? If you remember, Goku and Freeza's entire fight only lasted less then 5 mintues, and as we all know, scenes are sometimes slown to see what's actually going on (which is how 5 mintues took over 2 hours). Also, if you didn't know light would go around the planet, Earth, 8 times in a second...

The anime's dipiction of the Freeza-Goku fight was unbelieveibly drawn out. It doesn't take long in th Manga. Having "five minutes" spread out over twenty episodes doesn't mean they were going really fast.

Sypheran wrote:2.) Freeza says "You are trying to follow the light, that won't work" or something like that. The reason that he tells goku that it wont work is because he's going so fast that the light cannot keep up with him and thus he doesn't have any image for Goku to see (and so Goku has to fight him through sencing his energy)

No, you don't need to go faster than light to be 'invisible', characters have been doing that since DragonBall - this has been stated before, several times, in this thread. Please don't ignore the points we make. You're starting to act like Ninja Poe Bear - and I swear to god, if you say you've written for Beckett I will NOT be so civil.

Sypheran wrote:3.) Master Roshi's Kamehameha got to the Moon, and destroyed it, in only a few seconds. That means that the Kamehameha was at least going the speed of light (which makes sence because it's made of Ki which is energy and energy travels at the speed of light). Now if the Kamehameha travels at the speed of light it makes complete sence that the characters move beyond the speed of light because they can dodge the Kamehameha.

What? That didn't make any sense. If Roshi's Kamehameha hit the moon in 4 seconds seconds it would be going 100,000 km/s or 1/3 the speed of light. That's slower than the speed of light. Also, The reason we see it only travel for a few seconds is because it would be boring if it traveled at the same speed we always see it go. We usually see energy beams travel no faster than the characters would throw a baseball (which, though fast, isn't faster than light).
Furthermore, you don't have to be faster than light to "dodge" light. Lean to the right, you just dodged some light. You're not faster than light.