What makes Vegeta such an appealing father?
What makes Vegeta such an appealing father?
I've noticed a lot of Vegeta fanboys tend to harp on his fatherhood a lot, why is that? I don't see other Shonen rivals getting that type of praise, its not like people say "Kaiba may have lost to Yugi in Battle City, but he cares for Mokuba and is an awesome brother so take that."
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Re: What makes Vegeta such an appealing father?
They probably mean in comparison to Goku.
That, or they just say it for the hell of it because it's Dragon Ball Z.
That, or they just say it for the hell of it because it's Dragon Ball Z.
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Re: What makes Vegeta such an appealing father?
True. But then again, I could make a point for King Piccolo being a better dad than Goku. Should we put King Piccolo on a pedestal now?Gonstead wrote:They probably mean in comparison to Goku.
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Re: What makes Vegeta such an appealing father?
Vegeta took Trunks to a park (or whatever the place was). He must be the #1 father.
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Re: What makes Vegeta such an appealing father?
Gohan, Vegeta, Piccolo (both Senior and Junior), King Cold, and Cell are all better fathers than Goku.Gonstead wrote:They probably mean in comparison to Goku.
fadeddreams5 wrote:Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
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Re: What makes Vegeta such an appealing father?
Vegeta's an appealing father? He's better than Goku in some regards, but he's still a bad father. This is coming from the number 1 Vegeta fan. I don't see how some fanboys think of Vegeta as a great father 
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Re: What makes Vegeta such an appealing father?
And Super Buu. After Vegetto blew off his head, Super Buu's absorbptions would actually be clones of the originals that Super Buu made himself (cause, you know, the originals were disintegrated). Buu kept them safe inside and was mad when Goku separated them from him. Much better father than Goku.DBZAOTA482 wrote:Gohan, Vegeta, Piccolo (both Senior and Junior), King Cold, and Cell are all better fathers than Goku.Gonstead wrote:They probably mean in comparison to Goku.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Re: What makes Vegeta such an appealing father?
It's entirely in contrast to the "~goku~ is best at everything" theme.
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Re: What makes Vegeta such an appealing father?
How is he a bad father? We didn't see much of Vegeta's fathering skills anyways.TheMightyOzaru wrote:Vegeta's an appealing father? He's better than Goku in some regards, but he's still a bad father. This is coming from the number 1 Vegeta fan. I don't see how some fanboys think of Vegeta as a great father
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Re: What makes Vegeta such an appealing father?
Personally, I thought the scenes he had with Trunks and Goten just before blowing up were amazing. So much passion 
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Re: What makes Vegeta such an appealing father?
How is Vegeta a better father than Goku? Goku was shown to be more of a caring father to his kids, spending plenty of quality time with them in an entirely positive manner. Vegeta, on the other hand, admitted to not hugging Trunks as a baby, not caring when Trunks was almost killed by Dr. Gero and attacking future Trunks to fight the Androids and Cell. Vegeta became nicer after future Trunks was killed, but he still wasn't shown to be as caring as Goku
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Re: What makes Vegeta such an appealing father?
Yeah I agree with what you've said there..Dr. Machismo wrote:How is Vegeta a better father than Goku? Goku was shown to be more of a caring father to his kids, spending plenty of quality time with them in an entirely positive manner. Vegeta, on the other hand, admitted to not hugging Trunks as a baby, not caring when Trunks was almost killed by Dr. Gero and attacking future Trunks to fight the Androids and Cell. Vegeta became nicer after future Trunks was killed, but he still wasn't shown to be as caring as Goku
Goku did like.. Die for Gohan and all his friends and family at the beginning of Z to stop Raditz. And was usually needed to stop somebody from.. You know, destroying life as we know it and he died again a few times too.. I probably wouldn't have let Gohan go off to a far away planet like Namek though I will say
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Re: What makes Vegeta such an appealing father?
Sending Gohan to Namek wasn't a bad idea at all. It was for a good cause and nobody thought there was going to be trouble there
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Re: What makes Vegeta such an appealing father?
At least Vegeta didn't basically feed his own son to Majin Boo and not give a damn.Dr. Machismo wrote:How is Vegeta a better father than Goku? Goku was shown to be more of a caring father to his kids, spending plenty of quality time with them in an entirely positive manner. Vegeta, on the other hand, admitted to not hugging Trunks as a baby, not caring when Trunks was almost killed by Dr. Gero and attacking future Trunks to fight the Androids and Cell. Vegeta became nicer after future Trunks was killed, but he still wasn't shown to be as caring as Goku
Why would they think the trip would be a walk in the park when Vegeta is still roaming around? You know, for a genius scientist and inventor, Bulma is pretty stupid.Dr. Machismo wrote:Sending Gohan to Namek wasn't a bad idea at all. It was for a good cause and nobody thought there was going to be trouble there
fadeddreams5 wrote:Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
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Re: What makes Vegeta such an appealing father?
He seems distant in some regards. Yeah he's there, but he lacks emotion.TheGmGoken wrote:How is he a bad father? We didn't see much of Vegeta's fathering skills anyways.TheMightyOzaru wrote:Vegeta's an appealing father? He's better than Goku in some regards, but he's still a bad father. This is coming from the number 1 Vegeta fan. I don't see how some fanboys think of Vegeta as a great father
Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours."
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TheMightyOzaru wrote:He seems distant in some regards. Yeah he's there, but he lacks emotion.TheGmGoken wrote:How is he a bad father? We didn't see much of Vegeta's fathering skills anyways.TheMightyOzaru wrote:Vegeta's an appealing father? He's better than Goku in some regards, but he's still a bad father. This is coming from the number 1 Vegeta fan. I don't see how some fanboys think of Vegeta as a great father
That's not a bad father. Just not the best father.
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Re: What makes Vegeta such an appealing father?
He's borderline bad at least. It's clear that Trunks doesn't dislike his dad, heck he looks up to him, but he still lacks necessary parenting skills.
Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours."
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Re: What makes Vegeta such an appealing father?
I think its due to the whole thing where Goku showed no emotional reaction to Gohan being allegedly killed by Fat Buu.Dr. Machismo wrote:How is Vegeta a better father than Goku? Goku was shown to be more of a caring father to his kids, spending plenty of quality time with them in an entirely positive manner. Vegeta, on the other hand, admitted to not hugging Trunks as a baby, not caring when Trunks was almost killed by Dr. Gero and attacking future Trunks to fight the Androids and Cell. Vegeta became nicer after future Trunks was killed, but he still wasn't shown to be as caring as Goku
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Re: What makes Vegeta such an appealing father?
I would have had my worries i think if they wanted to go somewhere completely unknown in the middle of space! lol Piccolo's history didn't exactly begin so brilliantly.. how were they to known that namekians weren't for the most part hostile..?Dr. Machismo wrote:Sending Gohan to Namek wasn't a bad idea at all. It was for a good cause and nobody thought there was going to be trouble there
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Because they were informed that the Namekian race is peaceful by nature.Revolution wrote:how were they to known that namekians weren't for the most part hostile..?
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