Battle of Gods canon?

[TheMightyOzaru]

If none of the author's work has been officially accepted, people can choose what they want to accept.

In what capacity is the manga "not officially accepted"?

There's no defined canon therefore nothing is officially part of the continuity. You pick and choose whatever you want, which in a sense, is the beauty of Dragon Ball I guess.

[Mewzard]

Canon varies depending upon the origin and companies involved:

For Marvel and DC, canon is a shifting current: Whatever's currently being written is canon, and it can be re-written later.

For creator-owned comics (Shueisha, TMNT *well, it was creator owned for decades*, Osamu Tezuka's extensive library, etc), it's whatever the creator ends up doing (unless otherwise stated), with the adaptations and such being different interpretations.

Star Wars? Whew...there's an angry argument waiting to happen.

It varies, like I said, but for Dragon Ball and all the Jump series, I always go for the creator's original manga as being the canon source (not only is it their original idea in the first place, but I almost always go with the source material *not because I saw it first, or because that's some written rule, I just happen to end up liking the works they put out with nigh unrestricted creative freedoms, vs the more censored adaptations that tend to have filler that hurt the flow in my eyes, and are very rarely good *especially for Toei*).

When it comes to creator-owned material (be it comics, books, movies, etc), going with the source material as canon works, because it's their property.

[TheGmGoken]

You pick and choose whatever you want, which in a sense, is the beauty of Dragon Ball I guess.

Guess since I don't like Raditz. I don't have to have him canon. So explain to me how Goku died.

[TheMightyOzaru]

You pick and choose whatever you want, which in a sense, is the beauty of Dragon Ball I guess.

Guess since I don't like Raditz. I don't have to have him canon. So explain to me how Goku died.

You'd have to disregard an arc, not a character. The definition of canon is the accepted works of the author. Works would refer to stories not characters:

b. works The output of a writer, artist, or musician considered or collected as a whole: the works of Shakespeare.

[TheGmGoken]

You'd have to disregard an arc, not a character. The definition of canon is the accepted works of the author. Works would refer to stories not characters:

So I'm going to disregard Saiyan Arc . So after Dragonball Goku is randomly injured, has a Son who's hurt, and is going to Namek. For some odd reason he calls himself a Saiyan. How about Ignore everything post Dragonball till Boo Arc. Goku randomly got 3 SSJ forms. What's a SSJ? Gohan? Who's that? Piccolo is good? Who the fuck is Vegeta and why he hates Goku?

b. works The output of a writer, artist, or musician considered or collected as a whole: the works of Shakespeare.

Oh care to elaborate on canon's multiple definitions?

I love how you said you need help to understand that there is more than 1 definitions of canon yet you use a definition with a letter "B".

[TheMightyOzaru]

That was the definition of works.... The other definitions of canon are scripture and music related. Also, disregarding stuff after a certain point would make more sense. Heck, I've been saying that this whole time.

[TheGmGoken]

That was the definition of works.... The other definitions of canon are scripture and music related.

Umm no they're not. There is like 8 definitions that deals with timelines and shit.

[goku the krump dancer]

Honestly this conversation is getting ridiculous...

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This "Nothing is officially canon" so called rule should be applied to every series that ever existed not just Dragon Ball.

What makes Dragon Ball so special that major things from the manga itself can be disregarded?

People who dismiss major things from the original source (the Manga) shouldn't be considered a true fan or a fan at all.

I say that because most people who do dismiss things say stuff like for example "That majin Boo shit is stupid, or that Android stuff was retarded" usually aren't fans of the series anymore anyway because they simply didn't like where everything was going post a certain part of the story they enjoyed so in other words they don't like dragon ball anymore.

Another example is when A friend of mine (who isn't a Dragon Ball fan anymore) said "I was watching DBZ up until the Cell saga, I stopped watching it when all that Majin Boo shit was happening and I didnt know wtf was going on" ... thats a prime example right there.

So anybody who dismisses something as big as an entire arc usually isn't a fan o the series itself anymore.

[TheMightyOzaru]

That was the definition of works.... The other definitions of canon are scripture and music related.

Umm no they're not. There is like 8 definitions that deals with timelines and shit.

Well explain how they relate to this subject of what is and isn't canon in this franchise.

[TheGmGoken]

That was the definition of works.... The other definitions of canon are scripture and music related.

Umm no they're not. There is like 8 definitions that deals with timelines and shit.

Well explain how they relate to this subject of what is and isn't canon in this franchise.

They're related cause you're using a definition of canon just to fit your views. Plus it's a Definition of CANON isn't that what the topic is about.

[TheMightyOzaru]

certain definitions of canon pertain to certain things. the accepted works of an author pertain to a story or collection of stories. explain how the other definitions of canon pertain to this stuff.

[KentalSSJ6]

I do wanna consider this canon, and then theres part of me that doesent. Many of you know I despise Super Saiyan God and it seems thats gonna be a key feature in any possible future series/movies and I hate the concept of Godly Ki. If thats so then why dont the Supreme Kaioshin or King Yemma have Godly Ki (correct me if I'm wrong)? It makes no sense. I do love the 12 universes concept thought and the inclusion of Hakaishin is a great concept.

So, I'm on the fence on this movie. Enjoyed a lot, hated some other parts, but overall I guess id consider it canon.

[TheGmGoken]

certain definitions of canon pertain to certain things. the accepted works of an author pertain to a story or collection of stories. explain how the other definitions of canon pertain to this stuff.

Another word for official.

Official timelines. Didn't you yourself say you have a multiverse idea. Or a multi timeline thingy. There you go. Battle of Gods is official yes? The manga and anime are correct?

It refers to the original body of work

The manga

A piece of work -usually in reference to literature- that was written by the original author. Spin-offs, fan fiction, and any work not written by the original author of that fictional universe is considered non-canon.

See that. Could easily fit for DB.

Here a funny one:

A newer whiny phrase often used by pissy fanboys to indirectly infer that a certain storyline in a set continuity arrogantly does not exist, regardless if at all. Mostly because they don't like it

the authentic works of a writer

[TheMightyOzaru]

certain definitions of canon pertain to certain things. the accepted works of an author pertain to a story or collection of stories. explain how the other definitions of canon pertain to this stuff.

A piece of work -usually in reference to literature- that was written by the original author. Spin-offs, fan fiction, and any work not written by the original author of that fictional universe is considered non-canon.

See that. Could easily fit for DB.

Here a funny one:

A newer whiny phrase often used by pissy fanboys to indirectly infer that a certain storyline in a set continuity arrogantly does not exist, regardless if at all. Mostly because they don't like it

, love the second one. Where'd you find the other one though, that wasn't in the definitions I saw, or I couldn't see it at least.

[TheGmGoken]

certain definitions of canon pertain to certain things. the accepted works of an author pertain to a story or collection of stories. explain how the other definitions of canon pertain to this stuff.

A piece of work -usually in reference to literature- that was written by the original author. Spin-offs, fan fiction, and any work not written by the original author of that fictional universe is considered non-canon.

See that. Could easily fit for DB.

Here a funny one:

A newer whiny phrase often used by pissy fanboys to indirectly infer that a certain storyline in a set continuity arrogantly does not exist, regardless if at all. Mostly because they don't like it

, love the second one. Where'd you find the other one though, that wasn't in the definitions I saw, or I couldn't see it at least.

I just google definition of canon it came up. Literally. I do like the 2nd one though. As it fits so well

[Zephyr]

In what capacity is the manga "not officially accepted"?

There's no defined canon therefore nothing is officially part of the continuity. You pick and choose whatever you want, which in a sense, is the beauty of Dragon Ball I guess.

I'll continue to maintain that this is a needlessly silly train of thought, but I won't tell you you're wrong or dumb or anything.

Carry on.

[hleV]

↑ I think he meant that since there's no official canon, we don't know the canon rules. That is, we don't know whether the source material is canon, or canon is whatever is newer (the anime). Basically you can tell whatever way is the most logical, but you'll never know for sure, thus neither way is better than another. We know that one media contradicts the other, but we don't know which one overrides the other.

[Mewzard]

Toei will adapt DB manga that Toriyama does. Toriyama's not going to be adapting Toei filler (especially since he's getting older now). The owner of the series really has the final say.

Look at what happened with Kurumada and Saint Seiya: Tenkai-Hen Overture. He was just going to write the plots so Toei could do the work for him, but they altered his scripts so much that he told them they couldn't do another one. Then he went so far as to create his own new Manga that contradicted how that went, superseding the movie in canonicity (with some ideas/characters being new, and other ones using ideas/characters the way he had intended them to be used).

Of course, Toriyama's less hardcore/gung-ho/determined to do the series for life than Kurumada is, but the point stands that when the creator of the source material also owns the rights, his word is pretty much law in terms of what is canon and what isn't.

I would say Toriyama's work on Battle of Gods (specifically to the point of almost re-writing the script) leans towards it being canon.

[DBZAOTA482]

It's canon if you want it to be.

[Hellspawn28]

I don't like it when use whatever they want just because there's no official canon. You can't be like "Well my Dragon Ball XZ is canon now because I said so and there's no official canon". Not everything DB related can be canon to the show or manga.