Uub and Buu fusion, not that strong in a sense

JAKEMAN · Post by **JAKEMAN** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 1:14 pm

This thought came to me when I was watching the last couple of episodes of Dragonball Z. Seeing that Uub was the reincarnation of "Kid" Buu that in GT (Have I just gone into the GT fanboy theories) when Fat Buu fuses with Uub he is infact being powered down to "super" Buu level and in fact losing strength instead of gaining strength.

Of course the answer to this is:

"GT, goodbye logic" to quote Mike from the podcast.

But does anyone else think of this sort of "fusion" between Uub and Buu? Please give your thoughts

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 1:35 pm

JAKEMAN wrote:Seeing that Uub was the reincarnation of "Kid" Buu that in GT (Have I just gone into the GT fanboy theories) when Fat Buu fuses with Uub he is infact being powered down to "super" Buu level

How would that be a "power down"?

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 1:38 pm

Olivier Hague wrote:
JAKEMAN wrote:Seeing that Uub was the reincarnation of "Kid" Buu that in GT (Have I just gone into the GT fanboy theories) when Fat Buu fuses with Uub he is infact being powered down to "super" Buu level
How would that be a "power down"?

A lot of people, for some unbeknownst reason, think that Chibi Boo is the mightiest Majin. I'm gonna guess that's where his thought on that came from.

And, because of it, I'm sure another great-big debate will erupt, to which I will most likely take no part in.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 1:40 pm

Duo wrote:A lot of people, for some unbeknownst reason, think that Chibi Boo is the mightiest Majin.

I guess they got used to villains who become stronger when they transform...

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:07 pm

Kid Buu is weaker than Super Buu. Knowing that, there's no problem with the fusion of Uub and Mr. Buu.

JAKEMAN · Post by **JAKEMAN** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:47 pm

Ok, well I remember Supreme Kai saying that when he absorbed the Dai Kaio he was reduced in power. I guess I was wrong

BrollysKin · Post by **BrollysKin** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 5:02 pm

So then what Buu is the strongest? Kid Buu right?

Post by **desirecampbell** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 5:11 pm

BrollysKin wrote:So then what Buu is the strongest? Kid Buu right?

The quote is 'most evil' or 'most dangerous', not 'most powerful'.

That's where all the confusion comes from.

Saiyan · Post by **Saiyan** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:11 pm

But to answer the question...Gohan absorbed Boo is the strongest.

t0ffe3m4n · Post by **t0ffe3m4n** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:20 pm

How can essentially 2 Buu's fusing end in a power reduction? It was at that point when Uub truly became "complete" and became a super warrior.

The S · Post by **The S** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 11:23 pm

Ma-jin Boo, Junsui is not the most powerful Boo; instead, he is the most violent and savage, being unhindered by anything resembling a coinscience. This is why the Chou Genkidama was able to defeat him; I believe the Gohan-absorbed Junsui Aku version would not be defeated by such a move.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 11:39 pm

The S wrote:Ma-jin Boo, Junsui is not the most powerful Boo; instead, he is the most violent and savage, being unhindered by anything resembling a coinscience. This is why the Chou Genkidama was able to defeat him; I believe the Gohan-absorbed Junsui Aku version would not be defeated by such a move.

"Junsui"?

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:14 am

That means "pure" in Japanese.
That's how the original Boo is generally called in Japan: "Majin-Boo (Junsui)" ("Majin-Boo (Pure)").

the1payday · Post by **the1payday** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:41 am

so (and i'm seriously curious), could say...Gohan have beaten kid buu by himself if he were to fight....or perhaps gotenks? Gohan was able to pummell normal super boo, and gotenks was wearing him down before the fusion wore off. It's just hard to believe that kid buu is weaker then super boo. I mean...I will admit that super boo with gohan, gotenks, and piccolo absorbed was definitely stronger then kid buu....but just regular super boo was stronger then kid buu?! It seems like kid buu would be at least at the same level. Can I get some evidence behind this please?

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:06 am

Here's how you should look at it. The type of merging between Majin Boo and Oob is completely different from the way Majin Boo normally did it. I'd say it's more among the lines of being similar to how Namekians merge, rather than how it was done before.

Another thing that should be noticed is that Toei completely wrecked Oob over. They finally give him a time to shine. They give him a new outfit. And what happens? They make him get an ass whooping not only by Baby, but by Super #17 and Yi Xing Long. So much for Toriyama's plans on making him the Earth's next savior.

The Chibi Kiriyama · Post by **The Chibi Kiriyama** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:50 am

Tsukento wrote:Here's how you should look at it. The type of merging between Majin Boo and Oob is completely different from the way Majin Boo normally did it. I'd say it's more among the lines of being similar to how Namekians merge, rather than how it was done before.

Another thing that should be noticed is that Toei completely wrecked Oob over. They finally give him a time to shine. They give him a new outfit. And what happens? They make him get an ass whooping not only by Baby, but by Super #17 and Yi Xing Long. So much for Toriyama's plans on making him the Earth's next savior.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. If you look at this from a canon perspective for a moment the basis makes no sense. Chibi Goku at SS Level 3 is outstripped by a considerable about against Baby Vegeta, but admittedly is nothing in comparison to his adult powers. Oob is shown to have become much stronger in GT. If you think of where he would be in terms of power, the unnatural merge he made with Boo puts him at minimum equal to the original Boo and at maximum a bit above "Super" Boo. So- logically- Oob should have chewed Baby up and spat him out with a side order of cilantro.

My answer to this is that Toei took canon intentions and statements and threw them out the window for the duration of the fight. In fact, that's my answer to most of the fights in GT.

Domon · Post by **Domon** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 9:58 am

But Oob threw the fight on purpose. In the last Baby episode(or the one before), it turns out that he allowed himself to be turned into candy and eaten by Baby so that he could attack him from within(shades of Vegetrot...er, Vegetto!). That helped everyone by buying them some valuable time.

Certainly, Oob should've done more in the GT era, but don't go around saying he was inept in the Baby fight, because that isn't what happened.

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:08 pm

Domon wrote:But Oob threw the fight on purpose. In the last Baby episode(or the one before), it turns out that he allowed himself to be turned into candy and eaten by Baby so that he could attack him from within(shades of Vegetrot...er, Vegetto!). That helped everyone by buying them some valuable time.

Certainly, Oob should've done more in the GT era, but don't go around saying he was inept in the Baby fight, because that isn't what happened.

Yet he was still overpowered while inside of Baby. o_o The point was that while the trick was clever, all it did was buy time rather than actually have much of an impact on Baby by his own power. Trust me, I liked where they were going with Oob. But they did end up making him into a total weakling compared to the major villains and had Goku, once again, take the thrown of being the strongest. :\

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:55 pm

I believe in GT's wacky logic, after Oob "fused" with the fat Majin Boo, he became even more powerful than any of Boo's previous incarnations.

Having said that, Oob's aparent weakness against Baby is Toei just setting the stage for Goku's next big entrance and ascension to Super Saiyan 4. To that end, they didn't care that they were creating a "new" super powerful hero just to throw him away a few episodes later, so that Goku would seem even better by comparison.

Domon · Post by **Domon** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 10:25 am

Yet he was still overpowered while inside of Baby. o_o The point was that while the trick was clever, all it did was buy time rather than actually have much of an impact on Baby by his own power.

I don't deny that Oob could've done more, but the point I was getting at is that Oob held up against Baby better than he's (apparently) getting credit for.

As an aside, who exactly are we talking about when referring to "what Toei did" with the series? So many people worked on the series, and as far as I know, there is little in the way of production/development information on GT. For all we know, the writers might've wanted to do more with Oob and the other characters, but got shot down by the producers or something. Just something to consider.

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