Who is REALLY Dr. Gero's ultimate creation?

Majin Cell · Post by **Majin Cell** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 1:04 am

I have been wondering who is Dr.Geros ultimate creation recently and i am curious about everybody elses opinions. I have talked to some who say it's Super 17 but i disagree because he wasn't in the manga. I think it's Cell because he was a character created by Mr.Toriyama himself unlike Super 17 who is a GT character. So my question is who is really Dr.Geros ultimate creation ?

BrollysKin · Post by **BrollysKin** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 1:08 am

Majin Cell wrote:I have been wondering who is Dr.Geros ultimate creation recently and i am curious about everybody elses opinions. I have talked to some who say it's Super 17 but i disagree because he wasn't in the manga. I think it's Cell because he was a character created by Mr.Toriyama himself unlike Super 17 who is a GT character. So my question is who is really Dr.Geros ultimate creation ?

super android 13

Magica · Post by **Magica** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 1:12 am

Babaganoosh, Gero's unknown Typo Grammar android.

Hell I don't know. I haven't really thought about it. Cell, probably.

Bura · Post by **Bura** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:59 am

Wasn't it #17? Even though he didn't really listen to dr Gero. Because according to my manga, dr. Gero quit working on Cell since it took him too much time. The computer did the rest. So, I don't think Cell was the most important project of dr Gero.

And I don't think Super 17 is either considering it's GT. XP

So, I'm saying #17... the normal version. Even though he rebelled.

Majin Cell · Post by **Majin Cell** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:34 am

I don't think Dr.Gero gave up on Cell , instead he just let his computer finish working on him because it was taking far too long. After all Cell was designed with the ability to absorb #17 and #18. Why would Cell be given this ability if Dr.Gero didn't intend for him to be his masterpiece ?

Steven Perry · Post by **Steven Perry** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:41 am

If you think about it, it was androids 17 and 18 which ultimately fulfilled their purpose: eradicating the Z-fighters. Did Cell do this? I DON'T THINK SO. Look at the world in which they lived... They destroyed everything. Even Gohan (the one who defeated Cell as a kid). 18 and 17 truly are "maniacal monsters". 16 was a failure, 'cause he ended up leaving for the forest in search for some bunny rabbits (in future Trunks' time).

I got that idea from Xyex.

Domon · Post by **Domon** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 9:42 am

Well, really, it kinda depends on what timeline you're talking about.

If we're talking about accomplising something, the answer would be 17 and 18 in Trunks' timeline, but in the "regular" timeline, it would be Cell.

In term of sheer strenght; it would be Cell in the manga, but Super 17 for the anime.

BrollysKin · Post by **BrollysKin** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:39 am

Even though super android 13 is from a movie, he seems to be the ultimate creation considering it is a combination of three androids.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:38 pm

BrollysKin wrote:Even though super android 13 is from a movie, he seems to be the ultimate creation considering it is a combination of three androids.

That movie is incredibly non-canon, but even so, Artificial Human #13 w/ #14 and #15 absorbed, by no means, could top Complete Cell or Ultimate Hell Fighter #17 in battle.

I would also like to note that Hell Fighter #17 was created by both Dr. Gero and Dr. Myuu, so it really isn't just Dr. Gero's creation.

Complete Cell was by far the greatest of all Artificial Humans created by Dr. Gero, so if one must be stamped with the label "Ultimate Creation" then it would be him.

MajinVegeta25 · Post by **MajinVegeta25** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 3:04 pm

It's Cell. He said it himself didn't he? or Cell said it? It has to be Cell. It can't be #13 because he isn't canon and even if he was, he didn't cause as much trouble and wasn't as strong as Cell. Enough said.

(Cell's cooler too

)

Eat Snow · Post by **Eat Snow** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 5:32 pm

Steven Perry wrote:16 was a failure, 'cause he ended up leaving for the forest in search for some bunny rabbits (in future Trunks' time). I got that idea from Xyex.

Um, actually, I don't think 16 existed in Future Trunks's timeline. I don't think he was ever activated. But to answer the topic question, I think Cell is. Super 17 was worked on by both Gero and Myuu (who was either a Gero rip-off or an obsessed Gero fanboy), so technically Super 17 isn't only Gero's creation, as someone else stated. But in Future Trunks's timeline, it would be Mirai 17 and 18 because they actually filled out their objective; kill all the good guys. Well, they missed Trunks, which eventually led to their deaths, so...

Majin Cell · Post by **Majin Cell** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 5:45 pm

What i don't understand is where Dr.Gero and Dr.Myuu got the parts for that second #17. Did they have a laboratory in hell ?

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 5:48 pm

Oh didn't you know? They mugged Mecha Freeza.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 7:13 pm

Jerseymilk wrote:Oh didn't you know? They mugged Mecha Freeza.

XD

So that's why he doesn't have his cyborg parts after he dies, eh? Gero stole them soon as he got there. XD

Um, actually, I don't think 16 existed in Future Trunks's timeline. I don't think he was ever activated.

We don't know that, we just know that Trunks had never seen him. But 16 could have been activated, learned Goku was already dead, and then gone off into the mountains not carring about having 'fun' like 17 and 18. This would have been when Trunks was still a little baby so, of course, he'd have no clue about 16.

Majin Cell · Post by **Majin Cell** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 7:30 pm

Well after reading what everyone has posted so far I'm going to say that Cell is indeed Dr.Geros true ultimate creation. The reason i have come to this conclusion is because Cell was in the manga and Super#17 is a Toei creation. I mean the Super#17 saga has plotholes big enough to drive a truck through.

Domon · Post by **Domon** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 7:58 pm

Majin Cell wrote:The reason i have come to this conclusion is because Cell was in the manga and Super#17 is a Toei creation. I mean the Super#17 saga has plotholes big enough to drive a truck through.

I find this comment about "plotholes" to be somewhat silly, considering the many topics and confusion over the timelines in the Cell saga. Seems like that saga had a few holes in it as well.

Majin Cell · Post by **Majin Cell** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 8:40 pm

Well almost any plotholes in the Cell saga are created by filler. And the ones that are in the manga are few in number and are not huge like the ones in the Super#17 saga.

veshira · Post by **veshira** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 8:52 pm

Majin Cell wrote:Well almost any plotholes in the Cell saga are created by filler. And the ones that are in the manga are few in number and are not huge like the ones in the Super#17 saga.

Trunks saying the Androids were #19 and #20, then taking it back and saying they're #17 and #18 isn't a big plot hole? How about Cell saying there was a Future Trunks in his timeline that killed Freeza and King Cold?

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 8:55 pm

veshira wrote:
Majin Cell wrote:Well almost any plotholes in the Cell saga are created by filler. And the ones that are in the manga are few in number and are not huge like the ones in the Super#17 saga.
Trunks saying the Androids were #19 and #20, then taking it back and saying they're #17 and #18 isn't a big plot hole? How about Cell saying there was a Future Trunks in his timeline that killed Freeza and King Cold?

The Trunks from his timeline did kill Freeza and King Kold.

veshira · Post by **veshira** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 9:05 pm

desirecampbell wrote: The Trunks from his timeline did kill Freeza and King Kold.

I agree, but in order for that to make sense, fans have to figure out how timelines work, which just leads to a big mess of fanmade guesses.

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