Scenes where you've disliked your favourite character

[rereboy]

It's short-sighted because bearing the responsibility on two rookies to defeat an omnicidal maniac is NOT a good way to teach them how to handle future threats (considering it didn't teach them a damned thing) especially when lives are now at stake, and Goku didn't want Trunks and Goten to use the ROSAT. Besides he could have prevented the whole conflict if he had just pull out SSJ3 on Vegeta and hit him so hard that he is knocked out.... or better yet, fight him together with Gohan.

If Goku failed to kill Buu the responsibility of defeating Buu would still fall on the kids, only now they wouldn't have any chance because they wouldn't have learned fusion. Like I said, any choice involved a huge risk. Its easy to say on hindsight that Goku should have fought because the Gotenks didn't manage to defeat Buu, but what guarantee was there that Goku would be able to defeat him quickly..? None. Remember that when Goku decided, he didn't have the means to know if in fact the boys would fail or not, just like he didn't know if in fact he would manage to kill Buu quickly before he ran out of time. All he could do was guess and choose what he believed was the choice with most advantages and seemed right to him. So, both choices had huge risks and I don't see how Goku fighting would be a better choice. Its true that Goku had more experience, but, as Goku predicted, Gotenks turned out to be incredibly powerful, and even stronger than a much stronger form of Buu than the one he was supposed to fight, and he only failed to kill Buu due to a matter of seconds (he was preparing the final blow, when his fusion ran out). If Gotenks had fought the Buu that he was supposed to fight, I don't see how he would lose. So, I really see no fault in Goku's decision.

The same problem regarding SSJ3 existed when he fought Vegeta. Its true that he would have ended the fight more quickly, but he would lose valuable time on the living world, especially now that Earth was under threat. Goku wanted to only use his SSJ3 as a last resort due to that problem which is why he refrained from using it from the get go of his fight. Once again, its very easy to say that he shouldn't have done that in hindsight when we already know the end result. As it was happening? Not so much, especially since Goku had no idea if Buu was close to be released or not or what was about to happen. He had no way to know that his brief fight with Vegeta at SSJ2 would be enough to free Buu which surprised even Babidi (in the manga, it was a very brief fight, Gohan didn't even have time to start his fight with Dabura again). So, even before he had much time to consider using SSJ3 to finish his fight with Vegeta more quickly, Buu was already loose. And then, Vegeta seemed willing to help against Buu, so he had no reason to use it against him at that moment. So, sure, it wasn't the best decision on hindsight, but he had valid reason for not wanting to use SSJ3 right from the get go and he was surprised by Buu being released even before he could change his mind about using SSJ3. Is that really so wrong...?

As for Gohan helping out, that's true. Its one of those prideful decisions. Vegeta challenged him to an one on one fight. He wouldn't have Gohan helping him. It wasn't the best for the planet, sure, but this one is not a question of being short-sighed. Its just a matter of pride. Its a matter of personality, one of the things that makes Goku different from a random super-hero.

On topic, I think it was pretty shitty of Goku to leave his family to train Oob. Well, his sons were adults at that point at least, so I guess it isn't TOTALLY bad. But his poor wife...

Because, with his teleportation and all, he couldn't still be around his family frequently?

Exactly, which also fails to mention that Majin Buu was only ever released in the first place because Goku chose to indulge Vegeta and fight him as a Super Saiyan 2, as opposed to quickly defeating him as a Super Saiyan 3.

As I said, he had valid reason to use SSJ3 only as a last resort and he had no way to know how close Buu was of being released, which perfectly explains why he didn't want to use SSJ3 from the get go. And after that he had no time to change his mind since his fight was so short. In hindsight? Sure, not the right decision. But Goku didn't have the privilege of knowing exactly what was going to happen.

[DBZAOTA482]

It's short-sighted because bearing the responsibility on two rookies to defeat an omnicidal maniac is NOT a good way to teach them how to handle future threats (considering it didn't teach them a damned thing) especially when lives are now at stake, and Goku didn't want Trunks and Goten to use the ROSAT. Besides he could have prevented the whole conflict if he had just pull out SSJ3 on Vegeta and hit him so hard that he is knocked out.... or better yet, fight him together with Gohan.

If Goku failed to kill Buu the responsibility of defeating Buu would still fall on the kids, only now they wouldn't have any chance because they wouldn't have learned fusion. Like I said, any choice involved a huge risk. Its easy to say on hindsight that Goku should have fought because the Gotenks didn't manage to defeat Buu, but what guarantee was there that Goku would be able to defeat him quickly..? None. Remember that when Goku decided, he didn't have the means to know if in fact the boys would fail or not, just like he didn't know if in fact he would manage to kill Buu quickly before he ran out of time. All he could do was guess and choose what he believed was the choice with most advantages and seemed right to him. So, both choices had huge risks and I don't see how Goku fighting would be a better choice. Its true that Goku had more experience, but, as Goku predicted, Gotenks turned out to be incredibly powerful, and even stronger than a much stronger form of Buu than the one he was supposed to fight, and he only failed to kill Buu due to a matter of seconds (he was preparing the final blow, when his fusion ran out). If Gotenks had fought the Buu that he was supposed to fight, I don't see how he would lose. So, I really see no fault in Goku's decision.

The same problem regarding SSJ3 existed when he fought Vegeta. Its true that he would have ended the fight more quickly, but he would lose valuable time on the living world, especially now that Earth was under threat. Goku wanted to only use his SSJ3 as a last resort due to that problem which is why he refrained from using it from the get go of his fight. Once again, its very easy to say that he shouldn't have done that in hindsight when we already know the end result. As it was happening? Not so much, especially since Goku had no idea if Buu was close to be released or not or what was about to happen. He had no way to know that his brief fight with Vegeta at SSJ2 would be enough to free Buu which surprised even Babidi (in the manga, it was a very brief fight, Gohan didn't even have time to start his fight with Dabura again). So, even before he had much time to consider using SSJ3 to finish his fight with Vegeta more quickly, Buu was already loose. And then, Vegeta seemed willing to help against Buu, so he had no reason to use it against him at that moment. So, sure, it wasn't the best decision on hindsight, but he had valid reason for not wanting to use SSJ3 right from the get go and he was surprised by Buu being released even before he could change his mind about using SSJ3. Is that really so wrong...?

As for Gohan helping out, that's true. Its one of those prideful decisions. Vegeta challenged him to an one on one fight. He wouldn't have Gohan helping him. It wasn't the best for the planet, sure, but this one is not a question of being short-sighed. Its just a matter of pride. Its a matter of personality, one of the things that makes Goku different from a random super-hero.

So you're saying Goku chose not to go SSJ3 against Vegeta because he deemed him unworthy of his time? Man, what a dick and selfish on his part. I get Goku isn't a conventional superhero but I think even Goku would realize when it's time to get serious and not to indulge in the moment. Also, Goku outright admitted that he could have beaten Majin Boo when he first fought it.

[rereboy]

So you're saying Goku chose not to go SSJ3 against Vegeta because he deemed him unworthy of his time? Man, what a dick and selfish on his part. I get Goku isn't a conventional superhero but I think even Goku would realize when it's time to get serious and not to indulge in the moment. Also, Goku outright admitted that he could have beaten Majin Boo when he first fought it.

You totally misunderstood what I said. SSJ3 severely decreases Goku's time in the living world. So, especially considering that Earth was under threat, Goku didn't want to use it except as a sort of last resort, because, if he did use it unwisely, he would be burning off time that he might desperately need later on to help everyone out. Perhaps he would have decided that it was necessary to go SSJ3 agaisnt Vegeta as he was fighting him, but Buu was released very quickly after they started their fight which surprised everyone, especially the ones who had no idea how close Buu was of being released. So, the only thing that Goku decided was not to use SSJ3 from the get go of their fight, which, considering the particular drawback of his full power and what Goku knew at the time, doesn't seem unreasonable.

And, as I said, Goku being able to beat Fat Buu isn't the issue. Its how fast he can beat him. Since SSJ3 burns off the time he can remain in the living world, at full power he would be fighting agaisnt the clock. There's absolutely no guarantee that he would be able to beat him within that sort of time limit. Even his brief fight with Buu at SSJ3 consumed much more time than he expected, he was surprised when Baba said how much time he had left. Most fans just forget this and assume that Goku could just have killed him with no problems and no risks.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Hmm...I'm actually having a hard time coming up with a moment where I disliked Kuririn. He's an ass at the start of the series of course, but I find him to be a loveable one. I even don't give him as much flack for crushing the remote instead of using it on #18, partially because of the romantic side of me, and partially because in retrospect, that would have just let Cell absorb her all the more quickly, given the way everything else happens there (that and, let's face it - as soon as the prospect of Cell becoming 'perfect' was first mentioned, it was always a given that he WAS going to reach that form, no matter what anyone else did in the story).

I guess really it's just that scene though, cuz even while I'm more accepting than others, it's still a little much that he's head over heels that badly with just ONE kiss on the cheek...from something that as far as he knows at that point is totally a machine...that will willingly kill him and his friends without a second thought...but hey, she's hot, so who cares, right? ...

[Vijay]

Never was a big fan of Gohan. Found him to be a lousy son to be honest.

How is he a lousy son?

Maybe I should've clarified. I meant a lousy son for an awesome Dad (Goku).

Its just that for some unknown reason, I couldn't relate to Gohan as much as I did with Goku or Vegeta or Goten, practically everyone in the series.

I feel Gohan's character is dictated by some crappy potential/hidden power thingy which makes him pale as a character in comparison to say, Goku.

Sure, Goku isn't the most original character around (the influence frm Monkey King/Wukong is all-over), but still manages to impress me as a character in the long-run.

Gohan did fulfill his destiny be becoming the strongest in the universe AND a scholar (fulfillin both Goku & Chichi).

The character itself never raise beyond "I''ll fight to only protect, not live my life for it" which irks me to to ends.

He made an identity for himself as a loyal son & all is OKAY, but c'mon. You are the Son of a Legendary fighter, yet having various mood swings.

Namek Saga: I'll be responsible for Piccolo-san's death
Cell Saga: I'm not a fighter like my Dad.
Buu Saga: I'm gonna fight with you. No. I'm gonna kill you.

All that & he ended up as mere spectator at EoZ.

[bleed0range]

So you're saying Goku chose not to go SSJ3 against Vegeta because he deemed him unworthy of his time? Man, what a dick and selfish on his part. I get Goku isn't a conventional superhero but I think even Goku would realize when it's time to get serious and not to indulge in the moment. Also, Goku outright admitted that he could have beaten Majin Boo when he first fought it.

You totally misunderstood what I said. SSJ3 severely decreases Goku's time in the living world. So, especially considering that Earth was under threat, Goku didn't want to use it except as a sort of last resort, because, if he did use it unwisely, he would be burning off time that he might desperately need later on to help everyone out. Perhaps he would have decided that it was necessary to go SSJ3 agaisnt Vegeta as he was fighting him, but Buu was released very quickly after they started their fight which surprised everyone, especially the ones who had no idea how close Buu was of being released. So, the only thing that Goku decided was not to use SSJ3 from the get go of their fight, which, considering the particular drawback of his full power and what Goku knew at the time, doesn't seem unreasonable.

And, as I said, Goku being able to beat Fat Buu isn't the issue. Its how fast he can beat him. Since SSJ3 burns off the time he can remain in the living world, at full power he would be fighting agaisnt the clock. There's absolutely no guarantee that he would be able to beat him within that sort of time limit. Even his brief fight with Buu at SSJ3 consumed much more time than he expected, he was surprised when Baba said how much time he had left. Most fans just forget this and assume that Goku could just have killed him with no problems and no risks.

Not only that, but I like to think Goku didn't just not go ssj3 because of his time on earth (certainly a factor)... but also because he was afraid it would ruin Vegeta for life to have been surpassed again by a form Goku knew he probably couldn't even achieve in the living world. It would be unfair and would hurt his pride which Goku knew was important to him. That whole fight was him humoring Vegeta. Let us also consider that had he gone SSJ3 he may have instantly released buu considering the amount of power ssj3 puts out.

[Metalwario64]

There's no need to take that sort of attitude with me..

Attitude? I thought I was being as friendly as possible about it. I'm not one to get an attitude around these parts (though maybe in my first year or two here I was ). I apologize for apparently offending you.

I will thank you for mentioning it was from BoG first though, which prevented me from reading any further.


If I was being unreasonable, I apologize. I was simply going off of etiquette of other forums I've been to where people usually mark spoilers for new episodes or movies based on anime or games and stuff, and thought it wouldn't hurt to ask people to mark spoilers here too. I seem to have been in the wrong.

[Kid Buu]

I don't know if I can say Gohan is my favourite character, but the Cell Games is the only time I really don't like him.

[DarkPrince_92]

Vegeta's overconfidence bringing his own downfall.... especially in the Cell Arc... Jesus Christ.

[KentalSSJ6]

Vegeta's overconfidence bringing his own downfall.... especially in the Cell Arc... Jesus Christ.

Pretty much. Super Saiyan was a immeasurable boost to his already immeasurable ego.

[Unicorn_Bazooka]

Vegeta's overconfidence bringing his own downfall.... especially in the Cell Arc... Jesus Christ.

Pretty much. Super Saiyan was a immeasurable boost to his already immeasurable ego.

Compare that to Seto Kaiba's ego. At least five blimps are needed to contain Vegeta's.

Might be a pretty hard joke to understand, sorry.

[KentalSSJ6]

Vegeta's overconfidence bringing his own downfall.... especially in the Cell Arc... Jesus Christ.

Pretty much. Super Saiyan was a immeasurable boost to his already immeasurable ego.

Compare that to Seto Kaiba's ego. At least five blimps are needed to contain Vegeta's.

Might be a pretty hard joke to understand, sorry.

Oh I get it. Kaiba and Vegeta are generally cold, uncaring, egotistical a-holes.

[Unicorn_Bazooka]

Oh I get it. Kaiba and Vegeta are generally cold, uncaring, egotistical a-holes.

I thought it would be hard because it was blindly quoted from Yugioh Abridged, but good that you at least know who the character is.

[TheWhiz]

Goku giving Cell a senzu bean really rubs me the wrong way. I know Goku is one for fair play but come on, by doing that he pretty much signed his death warrant and nearly doomed the planet.

Vegeta letting Cell absorb 18. Another one of many dumb moves in the Cell saga made by the characters.

Havent seen the Buu saga in years so ill leave it at that for now.

Those two scenes are my choices as well. Especially Vegeta.

[dbzfan7]

I think a big moment I hate is Gohan dropping the Potara earring. I mean..really? He has the reflexes to dodge rocks thrown by a Super Saiyan and can catch bullets with his hands, yet cant catch a earring?

I consider that pure P.I.S.

For me I'd say when Gohan kept trying to avoid fighting when he said at the beginning that he didn't train for three years to stand around, now in the Cell Saga he trains one year with Goku and suddenly he wants to wuss out.

Ultimate Gohan not killing Super Boo. Seriously you'd think he would have learned that not killing Cell quickly caused problems for him and applied that to Boo. And yet he doesn't just wipe him out instantly.

For Goku it's his super dickish idea to not kill Boo when he had the chance on a stupid idea that the living should solve the problem he caused.

[KentalSSJ6]

I think a big moment I hate is Gohan dropping the Potara earring. I mean..really? He has the reflexes to dodge rocks thrown by a Super Saiyan and can catch bullets with his hands, yet cant catch a earring?

I consider that pure P.I.S.

For me I'd say when Gohan kept trying to avoid fighting when he said at the beginning that he didn't train for three years to stand around, now in the Cell Saga he trains one year with Goku and suddenly he wants to wuss out.

Ultimate Gohan not killing Super Boo. Seriously you'd think he would have learned that not killing Cell quickly caused problems for him and applied that to Boo. And yet he doesn't just wipe him out instantly.

For Goku it's his super dickish idea to not kill Boo when he had the chance on a stupid idea that the living should solve the problem he caused.

Here would have been a easy way to fix the whole earring moment with Gohan.

*Goku throws earring, Gohan catches it.*

*Buu manages to grab Gohan from behind with a piece of him.*

*Before Gohan is absorbed, he throws the earring back to Goku so its not taken with him*

Would that have really been so hard to do?

[dbzfan7]

Here would have been a easy way to fix the whole earring moment with Gohan.

*Goku throws earring, Gohan catches it.*

*Buu manages to grab Gohan from behind with a piece of him.*

*Gohan then drops the earring*

*Goku races to save Gohan but he only makes it in time to grab the earring*

Would that have really been so hard to do?

fixed.

Also I'll add everyone who complained about storming the Red Ribbon Base. What exactly was the threat. They move faster than the eye can see, One Kamehameha from Roshi would destroy the entire base, Bullets can't kill them, and everyone is one shot material.

[CODii]

As a huge Vegeta fan I don't actually mind his stupid decisions, because they at least fall in line with his (admittedly flawed) established character traits. That overwhelming and often irrational confidence are part of what makes him who he is. The only time I have truly disliked Vegeta is in DBZ movie 8. He spends half the movie as a whining, inconsolable pussy which seems totally out place for his character. At least in Battle of Gods he tried to do something to stop the threat of Beerus even though Vegeta knows he could never really stand up to Beerus in combat. Plus it's played up for laughs which is always a good thing in my book!

[DBZAOTA482]

As a huge Vegeta fan I don't actually mind his stupid decisions, because they at least fall in line with his (admittedly flawed) established character traits. That overwhelming and often irrational confidence are part of what makes him who he is. The only time I have truly disliked Vegeta is in DBZ movie 8. He spends half the movie as a whining, inconsolable pussy which seems totally out place for his character. At least in Battle of Gods he tried to do something to stop the threat of Beerus even though Vegeta knows he could never really stand up to Beerus in combat. Plus it's played up for laughs which is always a good thing in my book!

Finally somebody mentioned this. It was especially dishearting to see Piccolo calling his pathetic and dangle him by his hand for not helping, the same Piccolo he belittles constantly for being a "weak Namekian". Sometimes, it gives you the impression TOEI has something against him.

[rereboy]

Also I'll add everyone who complained about storming the Red Ribbon Base. What exactly was the threat. They move faster than the eye can see, One Kamehameha from Roshi would destroy the entire base, Bullets can't kill them, and everyone is one shot material.

They had missiles and fighting robots and all sorts of war machines. Even Goku couldn't avoid getting hit by one rocket, but fortunately he is really tough, especially after training with Karin.

But even then, Goku was lucky... If Blue or other soldier with abilities as troublesome as him was still there, and another android like #8 (but one willing to fight) was there, and all of them aided Black and his robot suit agaisnt Goku... things probably wouldn't end up well for Goku.

Krilin and Roshi were weaker than Goku by this point and they were never as reckless as Goku, so its seems to me that their reaction was reasonable.