Tiny Details You Didn't Notice

the_abberration · Post by **the_abberration** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 9:10 am

Here are a few of my observations.

1) When Goku defeated Piccolo at the 23rd Tournament, Kirririn jumps into the air. He is shown to be barefooted. When he lands, he has his shoes on again.

2) Princess Snake (DBZ) and Mamba (DBGT:A Hero's Legacy) look very similar and have the same goal of trying to eat Goku and Goku Jr. respectivly. Also IIRC, a mamba is a type of snake.

3) During training with Mr. Popo, Goku fights a doll created by Popo. When the doll has it's mask on, it doesn't have a tail, When the mask gets knocked off and we see it looks like Goku, it now has a tail.

BoxerGloves · Post by **BoxerGloves** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 12:27 pm

Well, when it comes to DB/Z/GT, Toei actively used recycled images that were previously employed for other characters. Have you noticed how Adjudant Black from the Dragonball the 10th anniversary movie looks just like the Tournament announcer from the Cell Games (you know, the guy who gave Cell the finger)? The only difference is that his skin was now much darker.
And also, during the Trunks saga, one of King Cold's orange-skinned henchmen, looks exactly like Jeice from the Ginyu Force.

the_abberration · Post by **the_abberration** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 9:10 pm

BoxerGloves wrote:Well, when it comes to DB/Z/GT, Toei actively used recycled images that were previously employed for other characters. Have you noticed how Adjudant Black from the Dragonball the 10th anniversary movie looks just like the Tournament announcer from the Cell Games (you know, the guy who gave Cell the finger)? The only difference is that his skin was now much darker.
And also, during the Trunks saga, one of King Cold's orange-skinned henchmen, looks exactly like Jeice from the Ginyu Force.

I also recall Commander Red and Adjundant Black from DB appearing in The Great Saiyaman Saga as two different characters (a movie director and his assistant).

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 10:15 pm

BoxerGloves wrote:Well, when it comes to DB/Z/GT, Toei actively used recycled images that were previously employed for other characters. Have you noticed how Adjudant Black from the Dragonball the 10th anniversary movie looks just like the Tournament announcer from the Cell Games (you know, the guy who gave Cell the finger)? The only difference is that his skin was now much darker.
And also, during the Trunks saga, one of King Cold's orange-skinned henchmen, looks exactly like Jeice from the Ginyu Force.

Can't pass off the soldier as a Jecie look-a-like though. He's just a member of the same race, that's all. But ya, Toei does reuse stuff a lot.

I also recall Commander Red and Adjundant Black from DB appearing in The Great Saiyaman Saga as two different characters (a movie director and his assistant).

Yup. Funny as hell. XD

Tyro · Post by **Tyro** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 8:22 am

the_abberration wrote:Here are a few of my observations.

1) When Goku defeated Piccolo at the 23rd Tournament, Kirririn jumps into the air. He is shown to be barefooted. When he lands, he has his shoes on again.

I have looked high and low for this picture of Kuririn and can't seem to find it. Do you have a picture of it?

Iyouboushi · Post by **Iyouboushi** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 9:51 pm

Has anyone else noticed that Bardock can breathe in space? Nappa and Vejita can too (shown in early eps of DBZ when they destroy that one planet they stop off on, sorry I don't remember the name). I always found that a little weird, especially since Freeza tells Gokuu that he can't survive in space.

I always had a theory that the Saiya-jins that actually lived on planet Vegeta could survive in space, but those who didn't actually live/train there couldn't (which is why Gokuu had to find a ship and flee Namek before it exploded).

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 9:58 pm

Iyouboushi wrote:Has anyone else noticed that Bardock can breathe in space? Nappa and Vejita can too (shown in early eps of DBZ when they destroy that one planet they stop off on, sorry I don't remember the name). I always found that a little weird, especially since Freeza tells Gokuu that he can't survive in space.

I always had a theory that the Saiya-jins that actually lived on planet Vegeta could survive in space, but those who didn't actually live/train there couldn't (which is why Gokuu had to find a ship and flee Namek before it exploded).

In-universe explanation: Both scenes are simply 'high atmosphere', not 'space'.

Out-of-universe explanation: Meh, both scenes are 'filler' so can be assumed to not follow "the rules".

Screw-with-my-in-universe-explanation explanation: Movies 2 and 8 show Saiyans actually in space, that is, well away from the planet. Meh, 'movies'.

Domon · Post by **Domon** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 10:15 pm

Out-of-universe explanation: Meh, both scenes are 'filler' so can be assumed to not follow "the rules".

But Bardock is in the manga, so the old "filler" arguement can't really be used in this case.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 10:33 pm

Domon wrote:
Out-of-universe explanation: Meh, both scenes are 'filler' so can be assumed to not follow "the rules".
But Bardock is in the manga, so the old "filler" arguement can't really be used in this case.

Nappa and Vegeta are in the manga too - but that scene isn't

BoxerGloves · Post by **BoxerGloves** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 10:46 pm

Speaking of DBZ movie # 2, here are the animation errors that I noticed there:

When Piccolo gets smashed by Dr.Wheelo into the ceiling of his lab, after attempting to take him out with a continuous stream of Ki blats, you can see the good doctor rapidly flying up to him. And yet when Wheelo's blow connects, Piccolo suddenly "vanishes." I mean, if he were to be crushed against the ceiling, wouldn't he suppose to be on top of Dr.Wheelo's metalic body? If you watch this sequence carefully enough, you'll notice that there's nothing, and I mean nobody, on top of Dr.Wheelo. In the next shot though, after Dr.Wheelo descends, Piccolo "re-appears" as you see him falling down while being completely knocked out. That means that Dr.Wheelo, in order to crush Piccolo into the ceiling, had smashed himself (and all by himself) into the ceiling.
Weird.

Next animation error involves Gohan and Goku's magical staff. After Goku knocks down Dr. Wheelo with his Power Pole staff, Piccolo tries to finish him off (and after which the error that I mentioned above occurs). Then in the next sequence Goku, as he is seen without his magical staff, fires Dr.Wheelo straight into outer space with a massive Kamehameha. Later on, as Goku is attempting to conjure up a Genki Dama, we see Gohan with the Power Pole. We can assume that he picked it up, while running out of the collapsing laboratory. Then, right before he flies up to the sky, he's seen with it strapped on his back. Then, while he's flying (along with Piccolo and towards Dr.Wheelo) up, you can notice that the magical staff has "vanished." And throughout this whole animation sequence, Gohan has no staff on him. However, after he lands a kick on Dr. Wheelo, and Piccolo zaps the good doctor with his (Dragon Ball-era) trademark mouth blast, Gohan's magical staff is "magically" right back on his...... um, back.
That's not one, but TWO 'magical" disappearance acts the viewer can notice. And of course we have the animators at Toei Studios to thank for those "tricks."
Again, weird.

veshira · Post by **veshira** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 2:38 am

the_abberration wrote:I also recall Commander Red and Adjundant Black from DB appearing in The Great Saiyaman Saga as two different characters (a movie director and his assistant).

If I recall his name correctly, which I won't, whatever-he-is White of the Red Ribbon Army (whoever's in Muscle Tower (_ _); ) was one of the baseball players Yamcha punches in the face during Yamcha's baseball brawl scene.

desirecampbell wrote: In-universe explanation: Both scenes are simply 'high atmosphere', not 'space'.

Out-of-universe explanation: Meh, both scenes are 'filler' so can be assumed to not follow "the rules".

Screw-with-my-in-universe-explanation explanation: Movies 2 and 8 show Saiyans actually in space, that is, well away from the planet. Meh, 'movies'.

I'd be interested in hearing your explanation on the Boss Rabbit from Dragon Ball whom Goku brought to the moon to pound mochi, but that scene contradicts several things in Dragon Ball.

Iyouboushi · Post by **Iyouboushi** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 2:43 am

I know this was from page 1, but I just rewatched ep 268 and remembered seeing this here.

Tsukento wrote:As for tiny details..eh, this could be a major one. Goku and Vegeta put their Potara earings on the wrong sides. One should have had it on his left, and the other on his right. In the manga, both Goku and Vegeta had it on their left ear. Toei stupidly does the same thing in the anime.

Uhh... no? I just rewatched episode 268 (decided to get back into Z by watching all the Vejitto eps) and I remembered seeing this post earlier today so I checked. Gokuu had his in the left ear, Vejita in his right. They had it animated right. And it's right in the manga too.

click here for the page (tankoubon v42, pg 18)

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 2:46 am

desirecampbell wrote:
Domon wrote:
Out-of-universe explanation: Meh, both scenes are 'filler' so can be assumed to not follow "the rules".
But Bardock is in the manga, so the old "filler" arguement can't really be used in this case.
Nappa and Vegeta are in the manga too - but that scene isn't

The Bardock scene is.

veshira · Post by **veshira** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 2:47 am

Rocketman wrote:
desirecampbell wrote:
Domon wrote: But Bardock is in the manga, so the old "filler" arguement can't really be used in this case.
Nappa and Vegeta are in the manga too - but that scene isn't
The Bardock scene is.

You can't tell how far away from the planet Bardock is in the manga, though, if I remember the Tidbit correctly.

*checks*

Oh wait, he's definately high up there.

Link.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:08 am

Well!

Um, maybe that image is a collage? Hmm? Please?

veshira · Post by **veshira** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:35 am

I think. . . he's holding his breath!

(It's kinda possible, except he's talking in the special, which is where Toriyama derived his idea to put Bardock in manga from.

)

Sebastian (SB) · Post by **Sebastian (SB)** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 1:53 pm

.....I like the "high atmosphere" explanation.

Iyouboushi · Post by **Iyouboushi** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 2:18 pm

desirecampbell wrote:Well!

Um, maybe that image is a collage? Hmm? Please?

Does anyone remember which tankoubon volume Bardock was in? I want to check to see myself (since it's been awhile).

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 4:11 pm

Iyouboushi wrote:
desirecampbell wrote:Well!

Um, maybe that image is a collage? Hmm? Please?
Does anyone remember which tankoubon volume Bardock was in? I want to check to see myself (since it's been awhile).

Volume 26 (DBZ #10) almost exactly halfway through, when Goku first meets Freeza.

And yes, the image(s) in the Manga are not altered in any way on Daizex. They. Are. The same.

Iyouboushi · Post by **Iyouboushi** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:31 pm

Thanks for the volume #. I found it now. pg 94 in the original tankoubon. But yeah, wow, he is pretty high up.

Even if he could breathe in space, wouldn't it.. uhh.. kill him due to it being a vaccum? Come to think of it, they all should be dead (looking at pg 94). Guess the facts about space don't apply in Dragon World. Not that I'm surprised.