"Gotenks surpassing Vegeta and the others".

[Kakashi]

Doesn't anyone else see the Daizenshuu entry as "purposefully vague?"

No, the tidbit about Gotenks doesn't explicitly say who he surpassed in which form with which form of his own, and I can think of two big primary possible reasons for that.

1) The manga itself doesn't make it clear.
2) The Daizenshuu guidebooks relate to both the anime and the manga, so the book has to carefully dance around the idea of any other hero being stronger than Goku.

So like many things in and relating to the Majin Boo arc, the strength of Gotenks relative to anyone else is largely up to personal interpretation.

Is there a copy of the guidebook for anyone to see the pictures? I found one - translated:
http://magikarp46.com/dragonball/guideb ... php#part01

ゴテンクス
Gotenks
Character in which Goten and Trunks use Fusion and combine.
[His.] He was born through Fusion, taught to Goten and Trunks by Gokuu as a last resort, for the purpose of defeating Majin Boo, who boasted absolute strength. After going through numerous failures, the combining was eventually successful. The two of them confined themselves in the Room of Spirit and Time and rushed to carry out their training as Gotenks. As a result, they leveled up to a strength that eclipses even Vegeta. However, they were taken in by the Boo who had absorbed his good self and powered up.

It says Vegeta and the others. Please stop being biased

[Zantetsuken]

Goku isn't interchangeable with Vegeta - no one will contest he's stronger. And once more, it doesn't imply that SSJ2 Vegeta, he's not even mentioned. The special "Yo Son Goku" Shows Goku's SSJ level punch to be more powerful than Gotenks SSJ level punch. This obviously wouldn't even be possible if your theory was correct.

Goku has SSjin 3

Base Gotenks is stronger than Base Goku in the OVA. Also, it is no canon

The Daizenshuu has SSjin Gotenks > SSjin 2 Vegeta at least and it's the same book which says Goten equals Gohan

SSjin Gotenks was stronger than Fat Boo is in the Manga

Instead of just stating the same thing over, give me something to go on. I just don't see how you are coming to these conclusions.
I just watched it again this morning, it's on youtube for anyone who wants to watch it. Gotenks in base fights his and goes SSJ for a final punch, then the villian goes crazy and Goku goes SSJ and punches him.

Your theory can't work because it implies that someone of that level who shrugs off Gotenks hits (he wasn't even scratched) couldn't be one shot material for even an SSJ2 Goku, which actually the exact opposite of what happened. In fact both Goku and Vegeta were going to fight a enemy who just tanked Gotenks hits without a scratch in base form...huh?

As for the comment on Gotenks being stronger than FatBuu - they never fought, but Gotenks did admit he couldn't beat SuperBuu without SSJ3. We don't know how much stronger SuperBuu is than regular Buu, but it obviously wasn't as huge as a gap as Gotenks was going to fight him head on, and Krillin didn't even notice a difference in his power.

[Zantetsuken]

Doesn't anyone else see the Daizenshuu entry as "purposefully vague?"

No, the tidbit about Gotenks doesn't explicitly say who he surpassed in which form with which form of his own, and I can think of two big primary possible reasons for that.

1) The manga itself doesn't make it clear.
2) The Daizenshuu guidebooks relate to both the anime and the manga, so the book has to carefully dance around the idea of any other hero being stronger than Goku.

So like many things in and relating to the Majin Boo arc, the strength of Gotenks relative to anyone else is largely up to personal interpretation.

Is there a copy of the guidebook for anyone to see the pictures? I found one - translated:
http://magikarp46.com/dragonball/guideb ... php#part01

ゴテンクス
Gotenks
Character in which Goten and Trunks use Fusion and combine.
[His.] He was born through Fusion, taught to Goten and Trunks by Gokuu as a last resort, for the purpose of defeating Majin Boo, who boasted absolute strength. After going through numerous failures, the combining was eventually successful. The two of them confined themselves in the Room of Spirit and Time and rushed to carry out their training as Gotenks. As a result, they leveled up to a strength that eclipses even Vegeta. However, they were taken in by the Boo who had absorbed his good self and powered up.

It says Vegeta and the others. Please stop being biased

I copied and pasted it exactly how it appeared on the website, feel free to check for yourself.

[Herms]

It's definitely "Vegeta and the others"/"Vegeta and co." in Japanese (Bejiita-tachi). TripleRach must have made a minor mistake.

Doesn't anyone else see the Daizenshuu entry as "purposefully vague?"

Possibly, but when talking about character strength 99% of the time the guidebooks just stick to really obvious, undeniable stuff. I think this is merely an extension of that trend. Before Gotenks trains in the RoSaT, there's lots of talk about how he's super-powerful, and definitely/possibly/maybe can defeat Boo, but he ultimately never accomplishes anything and there's nothing solid to say about how he compares to other characters.

After training though, he gets just a hair away from beating a form of Boo that's even stronger than the one Vegeta failed to defeat. So they say he surpassed "Vegeta and co".

Why don't they say "Goku"? Well, Goku says he's no match for Evil Boo, but the two never actually fight, and it turns out Goku wasn't going all out against Innocent Boo. Whereas Vegeta gives his all trying to defeat Innocent Boo and fails. Even without taking the anime in consideration, I'd say "Gotenks surpassed Vegeta" is a much more undeniable statement than "Gotenks surpassed Goku", and I think the daizenshuu are just trying to be as obvious as possible.

[Kaboom]

So it could be more of a "that's the most we can say is fact" situation, then. That'd work for me.

[RandomGuy96]

and that Gotenks is dozens of times stronger than that

Does Daizenshuu 10 really say that? I don't remember that. You might be thinking of DBZ Son Goku Densetsu, which says Gotenks is "many times" (not "dozens of times") stronger than Goten/Trunks on their own.

GT Perfect Files Vol.2 says Gogeta (not Gotenks) is "many tens of times" stronger than a regular Super Saiyan 4. That's probably where the idea of Gotenks being described as "tens of times/dozens of times" comes from. Even I've messed that up before.

Hmmm, so no "dozens of times stronger" statement exists at all for Gotenks? Interesting. DBZGTKOSDH liked to toss that one around a lot. I don't remember specifically where I heard that it was from Daizenshuu 10, though.

Question: isn't there a statement somewhere in the Daizenshuu or SEG that says fusion is closer to multiplication than addition, or something similar? I'd think that, when you pair that with the statement in the Daizenshuu that Goten has the same battle power as Cell Games Gohan, it'd count as an indirect statement that SS Gotenks was already stronger than SS2 Majin Vegeta prior to the ROSAT.

[Kamiccolo9]

and that Gotenks is dozens of times stronger than that

Does Daizenshuu 10 really say that? I don't remember that. You might be thinking of DBZ Son Goku Densetsu, which says Gotenks is "many times" (not "dozens of times") stronger than Goten/Trunks on their own.

GT Perfect Files Vol.2 says Gogeta (not Gotenks) is "many tens of times" stronger than a regular Super Saiyan 4. That's probably where the idea of Gotenks being described as "tens of times/dozens of times" comes from. Even I've messed that up before.

Hmmm, so no "dozens of times stronger" statement exists at all for Gotenks? Interesting. DBZGTKOSDH liked to toss that one around a lot. I don't remember specifically where I heard that it was from Daizenshuu 10, though.

I seem to remember that line being used about GT Gogeta, although I can't remember where it was from.

[Saiga]

Anything that isn't straight A+B is more like multiplication than addition. Even if the fusion was weaker than that, and just increased A's battle power by 1.1x is more like multiplication than addition.

[Draken]

Plot twist: They mentioned Vegeta because Vegeta is actually > Goku at that point in the story

Leveling up never implies it HAS to be a new transformation. Take Pokemon for example. When a Raichu evolves from level 25 to 26, does that mean it leveled up? Yes. Does that mean it evolved? Hellz no.

[Hugo Boss]

Does Daizenshuu 10 really say that? I don't remember that. You might be thinking of DBZ Son Goku Densetsu, which says Gotenks is "many times" (not "dozens of times") stronger than Goten/Trunks on their own.

GT Perfect Files Vol.2 says Gogeta (not Gotenks) is "many tens of times" stronger than a regular Super Saiyan 4. That's probably where the idea of Gotenks being described as "tens of times/dozens of times" comes from. Even I've messed that up before.

This is really interesting. Then, Gotenks must be from 2 up 9 times stronger than Goten/Trunks and Gogeta from 20 up 90 times stronger than Goku/Vegeta according to those books? And Gogeta power-up is 10 times bigger than Gotenks'?

[KentalSSJ6]

Pre - Battle of Gods, isnt Gotenks the strongest hero right under Vegito and Mystic Gohan?

[Zantetsuken]

Kental - obviously not.

[TheGmGoken]

Kental - obviously not.

Are you going to back up your claim? Where your proof? Any evidence?

Gotenks is only below Vegetto and Mystic Gohan because Gotenks fought with Super Boo who Goku admitted that he could't beat even WITH Vegeta. Gohan said Gohan > Gotenks. Lastly Vegetto > Gohan obviously/

So
1.Vegetto
2. Gohan
3. Gotenks.

There your proof that Gotenks Number 3 pre BoG. Not where your counter claim?

[Zantetsuken]

Kental - obviously not.

Are you going to back up your claim? Where your proof? Any evidence?

Gotenks is only below Vegetto and Mystic Gohan because Gotenks fought with Super Boo who Goku admitted that he could't beat even WITH Vegeta. Gohan said Gohan > Gotenks. Lastly Vegetto > Gohan obviously/

So
1.Vegetto
2. Gohan
3. Gotenks.

There your proof that Gotenks Number 3 pre BoG. Not where your counter claim?

Did you even read the thread? According to Herms post above, the Diazen states things that are very obvious and this includes Gotenks being stronger than Vegeta AFTER training. Goku specifically isn't mentioned (I also believe than Gohan's Bio says he's stronger than Gotenks, but Goku again isn't mentioned)
Also, I believe the daizenshuu #2 list Goku as seeking out the pure strongest (buu) for a rematch and or something about his feeling can only be shared by him (I know I'm phrasing that incorrectly) Basically no media mentions that Goku is somehow weaker, it's actually fan theory that doesn't fit the manga's ending, the anime or any of the games.

Without turning this into a Goku wankfest, Goku did happen to fight a stronger form of Buu - Metrite posted an excellent writeup on this.

Every time we get something new, it either hints at Goku being stronger or does nothing. These days, the old Buu debates almost feel like debates between whether things are how Toriyama and folks decided to make it in the end, or whether things are how many people wish they had chosen to make it in the end.

The old arguments about the manga and such are always the same and always go in the same circles. I think the following list somebody made a couple years ago pretty much sums up almost everything from both sides. With things like Battle of Gods now here, this is a little outdated. For fun I'll just add and mark one of the newer arguments that have come along since then.

List of the main arguments that Evil Majin Buu is stronger than Pure Majin Buu:
1. When inside Buu, Goku says that Buu is too strong and they would lose if they went out like they were. So he has to be weaker than Evil Majin Buu.
Argument against: Since Goku knew they were inside Buu, he knew they were smaller than normal (though not aware of the extent to which they had truly shrank, since he thought they were still big enough to inflict damage) and he knew that it would be unwise to go out with several unconscious people that rescuing was the whole point of them being in there. So he insisted on fusion because he didn't want to risk facing Buu under as big a handicapped.

2. Goku said he wasn't sure if he could beat Buu when they first fought but figured Goten and Trunks fusing would do and so must be weaker than Buu and Gotenks.
Argument against: Goku could have beaten that Buu but held back and bluffed about it because he wanted to entrust the world to the new generation. And he didn't know exactly how strong whatever Goten and Trunks become would be and so knew it was a gamble but acted confident to inspire them to do their best.

3. When Pure Majin buu first appears, Goku and Vegeta looked puzzled for a second and then Vegeta notes that he shrank quite a bit to which Goku says this looks like something they can handle. This must mean this Buu was weaker than any other because even Vegeta was confident in his ability to take this one on.
Argument against: They couldn't really tell how strong this Buu was from him just standing there and so were underestimating him and so were surprised when he yelled and launched an attack neither of them could stop.

List of the arguments that Pure Majin Buu is stronger than Evil Majin Buu:
1. After Buu changed back to his original form, Kaioushin said, "It was through absorption that his heart changed, which even went so far as to reduce his power... but now it has returned to its original state..." He said that Buu's heart, which had reduced his power, changed back. Whose heart changed back to its original state? Evil Majin Buu. So who had reduced power? Evil Majin Buu. That explains why Evil Majin Buu panicked and said he wouldn't be himself any longer if the other Buu was removed. His many characteristics from his love of food to his ability to interact with others all resulted from his heart changing via absorption, a side effect of that being that he lost power.
Argument against: Since that does not agree with Evil Majin Buu being stronger than Pure Majin Buu, it is better to dismiss Kaioushin's line and make up one's own assumptions about why Buu became stronger or weaker.

2. After Gohan started losing to Majin Buu with Gotenks absorbed, Rou Kaioushin offered his life to Goku to send him back to help. Goku accepted the offer with the impression that he was to go fight Buu himself without fusing. This is shown by the fact that we next see Goku with his fingers to his head saying that he's off. Rou Kaioushin then stops him and states his doubts to which Goku ponders for a moment and then says that if him and Gohan do fusion they could definitely win, which leads to Rou Kaioushin offering the potaras as a better way to fuse. This means that when Goku had his fingers up to his head, he was about to teleport to the battlefield and fight Buu himself without fusion. This shows that Goku was not afraid to fight Evil Majin Buu under normal circumstances. And he had to have thought he was capable of at least achieving something against Majin Buu with Gotenks absorbed, otherwise he should have rejected the offer for revival with the excuse that he could accomplish nothing.
Argument against: Goku was just acting hastily without thought.

3. After the wish to revive everybody, Goku was wondering what plan Vegeta could be thinking of and guesses that he must have revived Gohan and Gotenks to come fight with them. The fact that Goku mentioned both Gohan and Gotenks suggests that the only thing he could think of doing was have everybody gang up on Buu, which would not make sense if Gohan could effortlessly win alone.
Argument against: Goku thought bringing them both would be better because they had both lost before and deserved a chance for payback.

4. Goku was initially against the idea of using the Genki Dama and said that taking a little energy from everybody wouldn't be enough. Vegeta then says that instead of taking a little they'll be taking it down to the threshold. After that Goku and everybody else from Gohan to Piccolo all act like it was the best idea. This must mean that the Genki Dama was a better choice over bringing Gohan. Gohan was also the first person to donate to the Genki Dama and Goku said that it still wouldn't be enough to destroy Buu. This shows that Gohan was not far too much, if any, stronger than Buu, otherwise his energy alone should have been more than enough.
Argument against: Everybody acted like it was a good idea so that Vegeta wouldn't look stupid. And Gohan held back most of his energy because him providing too much would make the people of Earth seem useless.

5.After Buu was beaten, Vegeta insisted in destroying Good Majin Buu because it would be the end of everything if that devastating Buu were to ever appear again. Goku says that he'll keep training so that if this ever does happen again he'll be ready to fight and not lose. Since Goku said it would be himself improving to make sure they don't lose next time, it suggests that none of them were truly capable of beating him individually.
Arguments against: Goku is a glory hog.

6. The big form that Buu turned into which when he absorbed the south Kaioushin was mentioned as being stronger than Evil Majin Buu. Since Kaioushin was so amazed by Gohan's strength that he thought he could do what no Kaioushin could, it shows the saiya-jins were already far stronger than the Kaiouishins were. The big form that Buu took on after absorbing one therefore couldn't be too noticibly stronger than Buu's original form.
Argument against: The south Kaioushin was an exceptional one that was even stronger than Buu, but he never bothered to try pulling the Z sword because he figured that if nobody else could then he may not either. And it had been so long that Kaioushin had forgotten how strong his friend really was.

7. Pure Majin Buu must have been significantly stronger than Gohan, or else Goku should not have cared about Buu being reborn. And he especially should not have had any reason to train the reborn Buu. The nature of the saiya-jin has always been, "The stronger the opponent the better". If Gohan was far stronger than Pure Majin Buu, then Goku could just seek occasional fights from Gohan who was already trained and far stronger. The fact that he chose to leave his family yet again in order to train Uub shows that Goku expects Uub to be the strongest challenger available.
Argument against: Goku doesn't like fighting people stronger than himself and so wanted Uub as an opponent that he knew he could beat.

8. In the final chapter of the Neko Majin manga where Goku appears, Goku claims there is somebody that him, Gohan, Uub, Pan, and Goten can't handle. With a shocked look his feline student says, "Even master, even Uub...?!" That fact that he singles them out suggests they the strongest amongst the people Goku mentioned, which included Gohan. So apparently that suggests Goku and Uub were both stronger than Gohan.
Argument against: Other manga shouldn't be used for clues as to how things were or how things were meant to be because it's not a direct part of DB.

*9. In Battle of Gods, when when Vegeta is being told about Birusu he doesn't seem too concerned until he's told that Goku was beaten. Instead of scoffing and saying, "It took him two blows to beat Kakarot? Pathetic. Gohan could beat him just by breathng on him," he freaks out and becomes so desperate to avoid conflict with Birusu that he goes as far as to dance his pride away. This suggests Goku was the strongest amongst them meaning that if he couldn't win then none of them could.
Argument against: Vegeta had forgotten how amazingly powerful Gohan and Gotenks are.

Personally, I always thought of point 1 on the latter side to be the main thing that convinced me that Pure Buu was at least meant to be stronger than Evil Buu. I see no reason whatsoever to have included that detail about his reduced power coming from a changed heart to be included unless it was to simply tell the children, "That's right, kids! This Buu is even stronger! What can they do now? Find out in the next chapter of Dragon Ball!" Either it's purpose was simply that, or else it was put there to deceive the readers into thinking something that was never meant to be.

[TheGmGoken]

Did you even read the thread? According to Herms post above, the Diazen states things that are very obvious and this includes Gotenks being stronger than Vegeta AFTER training. Goku specifically isn't mentioned (I also believe than Gohan's Bio says he's stronger than Gotenks, but Goku again isn't mentioned)

So we agree with everything in the Daizenshuu now even when the manga has it differently? Gotenks surpassed Goku as well. I know this is a Daizenshuu topic. I'm posting that I disagree with it. Goku knew he could't beat Super Boo(Event with Vegeta). Gohan beat Super Boo ass. So did Gotenks. Vegetto is kinda evident to where you place him.
1. Vegetto
2. Gohan
3. Gotenks

Facts prove it.

Also Goku fighting the strongest form of Boo(Pure Boo aka Kid Boo).... . That post didn't prove that Pure Boo is the strongest at all.

[Zantetsuken]

Did you even read the thread? According to Herms post above, the Diazen states things that are very obvious and this includes Gotenks being stronger than Vegeta AFTER training. Goku specifically isn't mentioned (I also believe than Gohan's Bio says he's stronger than Gotenks, but Goku again isn't mentioned)

So we agree with everything in the Daizenshuu now even when the manga has it differently? Gotenks surpassed Goku as well. I know this is a Daizenshuu topic. I'm posting that I disagree with it. Goku knew he could't beat Super Boo(Event with Vegeta). Gohan beat Super Boo ass. So did Gotenks. Vegetto is kinda evident to where you place him.
1. Vegetto
2. Gohan
3. Gotenks

Facts prove it.

Also Goku fighting the strongest form of Boo(Pure Boo aka Kid Boo).... . That post didn't prove that Pure Boo is the strongest at all.

No we don't agree. I just proved it twice and you continue to point out that I haven't shown you anything. You don't have to "Agree" with the Daizn at all, but it is more "fact" than your fan theory.

[TheGmGoken]

Did you even read the thread? According to Herms post above, the Diazen states things that are very obvious and this includes Gotenks being stronger than Vegeta AFTER training. Goku specifically isn't mentioned (I also believe than Gohan's Bio says he's stronger than Gotenks, but Goku again isn't mentioned)

So we agree with everything in the Daizenshuu now even when the manga has it differently? Gotenks surpassed Goku as well. I know this is a Daizenshuu topic. I'm posting that I disagree with it. Goku knew he could't beat Super Boo(Event with Vegeta). Gohan beat Super Boo ass. So did Gotenks. Vegetto is kinda evident to where you place him.
1. Vegetto
2. Gohan
3. Gotenks

Facts prove it.

Also Goku fighting the strongest form of Boo(Pure Boo aka Kid Boo).... . That post didn't prove that Pure Boo is the strongest at all.

No we don't agree. I just proved it twice and you continue to point out that I haven't shown you anything. You don't have to "Agree" with the Daizn at all, but it is more "fact" than your fan theory.

My fan theory? It's not a theory. It's fact. It's not even my opinion cause I would want Goku and Vegeta to be the strongest cause it makes sense from a plot point of view.

Goku CLEARLY states that he can't beat Super Boo.
Gohan BEATS Super Boo
Gotenks was kicking Boo's ass.
Vegetto is clearly stronger than all 3 of them

What more do you want?

[Zantetsuken]

My fan theory? It's not a theory. It's fact. It's not even my opinion cause I would want Goku and Vegeta to be the strongest cause it makes sense from a plot point of view.

Goku CLEARLY states that he can't beat Super Boo.
Gohan BEATS Super Boo
Gotenks was kicking Boo's ass.
Vegetto is clearly stronger than all 3 of them

What more do you want?

Goku beats a Buu stronger than Evil Buu - that's a fact as well. The Diaz just sates the obvious, everything else is just speculation on our part. I Know I read (and watched) Kaioshinn state that Pure Buu was stronger than Evil Buu, and I know I read (and watched) Goku suggest bringing Gohan AND Gotenks to fight him. Both of them.

This is my opinion on the matter, you can have yours. But don't assume your opinion is somehow fact.

[TheGmGoken]

My fan theory? It's not a theory. It's fact. It's not even my opinion cause I would want Goku and Vegeta to be the strongest cause it makes sense from a plot point of view.

Goku CLEARLY states that he can't beat Super Boo.
Gohan BEATS Super Boo
Gotenks was kicking Boo's ass.
Vegetto is clearly stronger than all 3 of them

What more do you want?

Goku beats a Buu stronger than Evil Buu - that's a fact as well. The Diaz just states the obvious, everything else is just speculation on our part. I Know I read (and watched) Kaioshinn state that Pure Buu was stronger than Evil Buu, and I know I read (and watched) Goku suggest bringing Gohan AND Gotenks to fight him. Both of them.

This is my opinion on the matter, you can have yours. But don't assume your opinion is somehow fact.

Since when is Pure Boo > Super Boo a fact. Kaioshin NEVER in the manga said Pure Boo > Super Boo. My opinion is Vegeta and Goku should be the strongest. Which isn't fact. So I don't know where I stated that my opinion is fact cause I never said Vegeta was the strongest. Fact remains that Goku could't beat Super Boo alone yet he could pull a decent fight out of Pure Boo. Fact remains while Goku could't beat Super Boo, Gohan and GOTENKS beat the shit out of him. Fact remains that Gohan stated Gohan > Gotenks. Fact remains Vegetto > Everyone besides Birsu and Whis.

1. Vegetto
2. Gohan
3. Gotenks

The manga proves this. Now I don't see why it's a debate.

Chapter: 498 (DBZ 304), P2.3-4
Boo: “Far, far, waa~~aay far away, I felt a strong power…I won’t allow anyone to have a power stronger than mine…”

Chapter: 498 (DBZ 304), P7.4-5
Context: after Boo disappears
Trunks: “Even if he really is still alive, it doesn’t matter! That jerk was helpless against Gohan! [Gohan] was about as strong as our Super Gotenks!”
Goten: “He was even stronger.”
Trunks: “Really? …Yeah…Just a little bit.”

Context: after Gotenks-absorbed Boo explains his plan
Gohan: “…Keh…So that’s how it was, huh?...However, despite prattling on so fluently, it seems your stupidity hasn’t changed. If you wanted to take 1st prize, it would have been simple enough to absorb me…!”

There you go. Super Boo < Gotenks < Gohan.

Chapter: 501 (DBZ 307), P5.5
Context: Elder Kaioshin warning Goku about recklessly going to rescue Gohan from Gotenks-absorbed Boo
Elder Kaioshin: “I hate to say it, but I don’t think you could win against this current Majin Boo even if the two of you went at him together…”

Goku < Gotenks Boo

Chapter: 502 (DBZ 308), P10.4-5
Context: after Gotenks-absorbed Boo's time limit runs out and Gotenks inside him turns back into Goten and Trunks
Goku: “Your power’s fallen a whole lot. Cheh…I’m a little disappointed. This way, Gohan will be able to beat you even on his own…”

Goku states that Gohan could beat him by himself. Earlier Gotenks Boo > Goku. So Piccolo Goten Trunks Boo > Goku

Chapter: 506 (DBZ 312), P12.4-5
Context: after Goku and Vegeta revert Boo back to regular evil Boo
Goku: “Hehhe~~eh! With this, Boo’s power should have fallen significantly! We’re almost there! See, see: the size of his ki is completely different than before!”
Vegeta: “Alright! Let’s blast out of here and escape!”
Goku: “Wait! Even though Boo has returned to normal a whole lot, we’re still simply no match for his strength! If we go outside like this, we’ll definitely be done in…!”

Super Boo > Goku is proven right here. So is Gohan > Goku

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P3.4-6
Context: after Boo reverts to his pure form
Vegeta: “……Heh…Heheheh…Look! He’s shrunk down quite a bit!”
Goku: “We did it! This way, we might be able to manage something.”
Note: "He’s shrunk" is chidzimu, which typically refers to physical shrinking (like with Bulma's Micro Band) and throughout DB is never used to refer to ki diminishing. So Vegeta's probably talking about how Boo’s body has shrunk. That doesn't mean Boo's ki didn't go down too, but it's not what Vegeta's talking about here.

Goku talking about how Boo power dropped so they can manage something.

As I said. THE MANGA PROVES THIS FACT. The Manga FTW

[Zantetsuken]

I've addressed all of this about 2 post above. Did you read it? (I have to say I'm doubtful considering you posting things already covered)