How did Goku catch the heart virus?

Synthe · Post by **Synthe** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:16 am

It wouldn't come out of nowhere...

Mike D · Post by **Mike D** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:53 am

Planet Yadrat maybe?

Domon · Post by **Domon** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:59 am

Erm... the same way someone can catch a cold. Really, there's nothing to suggest that there was something "special" going on with that virus. Goku just got unlucky in this case.

Ricochet0082 · Post by **Ricochet0082** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 11:32 am

I've always thought that Goku contracted the virus during his stay on the planet Yadrat. It stayed in his system for three years, slowly growing until it became too much for him to handle and killed him. The way Trunks talks about it, it seems that Goku was the first one to have it before it spread around the world. Or did it not actually spread around? I can't remember. Anyways, Yadrat is where I'm putting my money on as to the source of the virus.

Tanooki Kuribo · Post by **Tanooki Kuribo** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 11:34 am

It wouldn't come out of nowhere...

Actually, yea it could just come out of nowhere. People get sick in the real world out of nowhere.

Domon · Post by **Domon** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 11:51 am

I've always thought that Goku contracted the virus during his stay on the planet Yadrat.

It's an interesting idea, I'll give it that. But the problem is that there nothing to imply or suggest that the viris came from Yadrat or any other planets Goku may have traveled to. I firmly believe the viris to be an Earthbound one.

The way Trunks talks about it, it seems that Goku was the first one to have it before it spread around the world. Or did it not actually spread around? I can't remember.

To the best of recollection, Trunks just talked about how there wasn't a cure for it at the time of Goku's death and that they were able to make one by theevents of his timelines. I'll check, though.

EDIT: checked the manga for this; DBZ vol. 12. Trunks talks about how "Not even a Super Saiyan can defeat a disease", Goku comments how apparently, not even a senzu will work on a viris, gets upset that he won't get a chance to fight the Androids, Trunks gives him the cure, saying "It was an incureable disease in this time, but 20 years from now there'll be a drug for it."

There's nothing said about the viris being new or kooky or anything.

Synthe · Post by **Synthe** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 11:55 am

How would they have a cure for a disease from another planet?

Tanooki Kuribo · Post by **Tanooki Kuribo** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 11:59 am

How would they have a cure for a disease from another planet?

Wha? They...didnt? I don't understand what your asking. Trunks gave Goku the cure. It wasn't from another planet.

DaemonCorps · Post by **DaemonCorps** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 1:07 pm

Domon wrote:
Ricochet0082 wrote:I've always thought that Goku contracted the virus during his stay on the planet Yadrat.
It's an interesting idea, I'll give it that. But the problem is that there nothing to imply or suggest that the viris came from Yadrat or any other planets Goku may have traveled to. I firmly believe the viris to be an Earthbound one.

Well, there's nothing saying that it wasn't from Yardrat. For all we know, Goku could have been the first one to have it and had it spread to everyone else. Of course, he never really goes anywhere aside from his house, Kame House, and the temple, but I guess viruses don't really need an excuse.

Also, Trunks never says that the medicine was made public. I always kinda assumed that Bulma made the medicine, since she was the one who gave it to Trunks.

Though I've gotta say this: It would have been hilarious if Toriyama made the disease incredibly obvious that it was from another planet. For example, Goku would start having pink Yardrat arms sprouting from his face like crazy. I wouldn't mind if Toriyama did another DB in space type of thing with explaining how the cure for the virus was found, as long as it's not like the space travel in GT

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But like all things, this is something that would've been interesting to see further developed by Toriyama. Ah, this has fan-manga written all over it

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Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 2:06 pm

Synthe wrote:How would they have a cure for a disease from another planet?

I really don't see the problem, here.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 3:25 pm

It's just a Virus...heck does it even say it's a virus that attacks the heart in the Manga?

Yeah. There's nothing special about it. Having a Super-high Power Level has absolutely no effect on your immune system.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 3:27 pm

Duo wrote:It's just a Virus...heck does it even say it's a virus that attacks the heart in the Manga?

Yeah. There's nothing special about it. Having a Super-high Power Level has absolutely no effect on your immune system.

Was the comment about 'becomming a Super Saiyan would only make it worse' just a dib-line?

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 4:01 pm

desirecampbell wrote:
Duo wrote:It's just a Virus...heck does it even say it's a virus that attacks the heart in the Manga?

Yeah. There's nothing special about it. Having a Super-high Power Level has absolutely no effect on your immune system.
Was the comment about 'becomming a Super Saiyan would only make it worse' just a dib-line?

Kind of, but kind of not.

The line confirms the Virus was attacking his heart.

"You noticed the anomaly in your body- but you turned into a Super Saiyan anyway! You fool! You knew it would only put more strain on your heart!"

So, the Virus was attacking Goku's heart, and excerting his body to that level worked his hard more, speeding up the virus' attacks.

Domon · Post by **Domon** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 4:10 pm

Well, there's nothing saying that it wasn't from Yardrat. For all we know, Goku could have been the first one to have it and had it spread to everyone else. Of course, he never really goes anywhere aside from his house, Kame House, and the temple, but I guess viruses don't really need an excuse.

But there's nothing at all to imply or say that the virus came from Yardrat. Why try to make a connection where none is said to exist or implied to exist?

Also, Trunks never says that the medicine was made public. I always kinda assumed that Bulma made the medicine, since she was the one who gave it to Trunks.

Again, why make a connection where none exist? Just because she gave him medicine doesn't mean that she made it herself. There's nothing said or suggested that would support that line of reasoning.

So again; why try to make a connection where none is said to exist or implied to exist? Why not just accept the idea that the virus came from Earth, and that scientists developed a cure for it? Doesn't seem like a far out idea to me...

Ricochet0082 · Post by **Ricochet0082** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 6:01 pm

I went back to the original source, Dragon Ball Z #12 manga (Dragon Ball #28 ). On page 143, Trunks is talking about the virus to Goku and says,

"This is your medicine. It was an incurable disease in this time. But 20 years from now there'll be a drug for it."

From this statement, I'm going to have to change my original opinion and say that the disease has been around Earth for some time and that Goku did not get it while he was away. Like Domon said earlier, Goku just drew the short straw and contracted the virus.

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 6:31 pm

If I had to guess, I'd say Goku contracted the heart virus from his elderly driving instructor. I mean the guy was always yelling, coughing, and spitting in Goku's face. Makes sense to me.

And what's the deal with the medicine? It seems to randomnly change form from being pills to liquid. And no matter how much they used it never seemed to get any emptier.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 6:41 pm

Deus ex Machina wrote:If I had to guess, I'd say Goku contracted the heart virus from his elderly driving instructor. I mean the guy was always yelling, coughing, and spitting in Goku's face. Makes sense to me.

Filler to the rescue, eh?

Deus ex Machina wrote:And what's the deal with the medicine? It seems to randomnly change form from being pills to liquid. And no matter how much they used it never seemed to get any emptier.

Well, it was sitting around for 3 years, and maybe someone left the lid slightly open.

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Iyouboushi · Post by **Iyouboushi** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 11:17 pm

There's nothing to suggest that the "whole world" contracted it, or that even more than one person got it. I know first hand how virii can randomly pop up out of nowhere and only attack one person before going away. My father had a virus that came out of nowhere and took away about 90% of his hearing. No one else got infected. No one knows why or how he got it, as it literally came out of the blue.

As someone said, Gokuu just drew the short end of the straw.

Ricochet0082 · Post by **Ricochet0082** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 11:23 pm

How can someone make a cure if only one person has had the disease or virus and has already died? The makers of the cure would have had to test the cure on patients that have the virus in order to make sure it works. It's possible that they did make the cure just for the purpose of helping Goku when Trunks travels to the past but how would they know that it would work on him?

If no one else contracted the virus, there would be no way of finding a cure to help Goku.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 11:37 pm

Ricochet0082 wrote:How can someone make a cure if only one person has had the disease or virus and has already died? The makers of the cure would have had to test the cure on patients that have the virus in order to make sure it works. It's possible that they did make the cure just for the purpose of helping Goku when Trunks travels to the past but how would they know that it would work on him?

If no one else contracted the virus, there would be no way of finding a cure to help Goku.

That's precisely why I assumed Bulma created the antidote. We know that pretty much the whole world was in chaos because of the androids - there doesn't seem to be any time for medical research for such a virus. We don't know if anyone else contracted the virus, but it would probably be impossible for any kind of antidote to be created by the scattered human refugees.

That's why I assumed Bulma created it, slowly over such a long time. Bulma conceivably could create such an antidote specifically for this purpose.

But then again, this is all conjecture - we really have no information to go on.

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