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Post by desirecampbell » Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:54 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:Perhaps my explanation of lossy vs. lossless was inadequate.
I meant 'visually' loslessly. While there is a loss in total data (and thus the format suffers from generational loss), the first generation visual image is exactly the same.
MajinVejitaXV wrote:And anyone with any measure of experience with photo or video manipulation knows that sharpness isn't always a good thing, especially with videos that have inadequate bitrates >_>;;
Again, your opinion is that sharpness isn't that important. Someone else's opinion might be that sharpness is the most important.

You can say 'Funi's discs have an inaddiquete bitrate' or 'the macro blocking is substantially greater than average'. Suck statements are irrefutable and factual.

Statements like 'the Dragonbox is better that the Funi discs' lends itself to opinion. You can't say 'one is better than another' simply with fact. 'Better' means opinion.

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Post by Tsukento » Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:11 pm

Deus ex Machina wrote:And say Tsukento, how about you sell me those DragonBoxes?
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Post by MajinVejitaXV » Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:20 pm

desirecampbell wrote:I meant 'visually' loslessly. While there is a loss in total data (and thus the format suffers from generational loss), the first generation visual image is exactly the same.
Fair enough, I thought you were trying to argue that the JPEG would be an exact bit-for-bit reproduction of the original image. Yes, they can show a valid facimilie, but the variables involved mean that I almost never trust a JPEG as a valid comparision unless I encoded it myself.
Again, your opinion is that sharpness isn't that important. Someone else's opinion might be that sharpness is the most important.
They may say that. It's important to realize the origin of sharpness controls and what they do exactly. Sharpness (in this context) was originally concieved to combat signal degradation on older TV's, and by it's very nature adds information that is not there to an image. It's obsolete for DVD's. All sources I've read agree that this is a bad thing, and any television calibration material agrees that a proper calibration for reference level is having no information added to the image at all. It only serves to add artificating and highlight macroblocking (something which the FUNi releases have plenty of).
Statements like 'the Dragonbox is better that the Funi discs' lends itself to opinion. You can't say 'one is better than another' simply with fact. 'Better' means opinion.
You're right, they're statements of opinion. So, here's a factual statement that no one can contest:

The DragonBoxes represent the anime series as Toei's animation teams intended them to be presented, with accurate color representation and brightness/contrast. They have been created from new masters and also feature higher bitrates and progressive streams, allowing for no macroblocking even when upscaled to 720p with the proper scaling equipment. Technologically, they are superior in every single aspect to any U.S. releases of the series.

Better? ;)

And I'm not taking this personally, I just wanna try and solve any confusion. I think a lot of this could be resolved for most by a good viewing side-by-side of the two products.

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Post by Catterix2006 » Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:40 am

I'm a tad confused. Since when does this all matter, I mean its just opinion.

Personally, I actually prefer FUNI's discs, but I haven't actually got any of Toei's Dragonbox, but judging by what people have been saying, its just purely a lot clearer and I've never had a problem with the so called "Pixelation" that you have to zoom in 400X just to see on a DVD...

For me, its the saturation, personally, I love it how in the FUNI discs, everything is so hightened and vibrant. In my opinion, it really adds intensity to the viewing.

But that's my opinion, so it's impossible to prove wrong. Blade seems to personally like the saturation and sees it as FUNI looking after the Discs by doing a little "remastering" themselves. Now, old veterans like Mike or Corey see this hightened colour as blasphemy to the old toned down original colour of the Jap episodes, but... meh. In most people terms, faded colour means old, brightened colour means new :D

Also, remember that FUNI is just a dubbing company... A normal episode to a licensed anime can reach up to $22.000 and you complain about the picture quality not being as good... Isn't more of a compliment towards the originals if the FUNI discs seem worse in your opinion and more of an incentive to buy the Toei ones...
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Post by Daizensushi-x » Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:01 am

Hmm....actually, when this thread started, was expecting a huge difference between Funi and Toei.

And by what I can see, the difference isn't that big at all. It's not like Funi's version is the quality of scrambled porn on Cinemax. I don't see the big deal at all.

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Post by VegettoEX » Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:17 pm

I really have to continue to side with Corey on this stuff, folks. If you're watching DBZ on something like a 13" TV over component cables... no, it doesn't matter which you're watching.

If you're watching on a decent sized TV through at least something like S-Video... we don't even have to bother getting into HDTV, upscaling, progressive, etc... you're really going to see the difference, and it almost has to be seen in motion. Honestly. It's that major of a difference. Computer monitors don't count.
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Post by tarsonis » Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:04 pm

VegettoEX wrote:I really have to continue to side with Corey on this stuff, folks. If you're watching DBZ on something like a 13" TV over component cables... no, it doesn't matter which you're watching.
Not to nitpick, but I think you mean composite. :)

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Post by VegettoEX » Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:09 pm

tarsonis wrote:
VegettoEX wrote:I really have to continue to side with Corey on this stuff, folks. If you're watching DBZ on something like a 13" TV over component cables... no, it doesn't matter which you're watching.
Not to nitpick, but I think you mean composite. :)
Oh, please nitpick :). Because you're right. Component would also be a GOOD thing :P.
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