'That' Question.

[LordCrumb]

Why do you guys look down on the people who watch DB/Z/GT in English?

[B]

Who is "you guys?" These conversations never go well, but maybe naming names would help. I don't recall signing up to be in a hivemind. My opinions are my own.

[bkev]

I think the consensus is that said opinion is held by people few and far between who feel the need to have their voice heard in every thread ever -- much like, coincidentally, youtube commenters that prefer the dub. Most civil folks have come to agree to disagree, so to speak.

However, the view that it's a completely different show is more common. It's only a few jerks who go as far as to say people who watch the dub aren't True Fans(TM).

[Ajay]

I don't.

I've said this a few times before but I guess I'll go over it again.

If you're well informed and understand the fundamental flaws and inaccuracies in your dub then by all means, enjoy it for what it is. I may think you have questionable taste but I'm not looking down on you for it.

If you have the sheer arrogance and willful ignorance to pretend your dub is somehow the definitive version then you're absolutely not worth my time. If you want to go on believing than Goku is Superman and that Dragon Ball needs a rocking soundtrack to be 'epic' then shit, I don't know what to tell you. If even the voice actors from your beloved dub look back and go; 'yeah, we fucked with it for the sake of popularity back then, we know it's bad', you shouldn't be the one trying to state otherwise.

I have a great love for the Ocean/Westwood dub but I know they're terribly acted, horribly inaccurate, and with a score unfitting for the show because it's literally ripped from another show entirely! That love doesn't cloud my senses and make me assert it as somehow definitive. That's absurd. You can enjoy something more than its original counterpart but let's not pretend altering the tone and characters of a legendary work isn't disrespectful.

TL;DR: Be informed and like what you like. Be willfully ignorant and nobody will listen.

[TheGmGoken]

I'm offended that you said "you guys" . What is that supposed to mean. This is just a Kanzenshuu stereotype that we are all elitist (is that how you spell it) and you must like the Jpn audio to be here. Many fans here LOVE the English dub. Many hate it. Many like myself tolerate it. Hell my AMVS are English dub because I like it for casual viewing (I have acess to Korean and Jpn. Even Latino). No one here except maybe a handful (10 users out of thousands) look down to anyone. We...well Some of us just want people who doesn't know that Eng was inaccurate that well...its inaccurate lol. Hell Polish had a parody as a dub. We don't look at them badly. So please never do something like this again.

I'm honestly offended. I honestly WANT an apology.

[Hujio]

Alright, let's not go on the offensive and start throwing stones at people. LordCrumb asked a legitimate question, albeit not with much clarity. So before I answer, could you clarify a few things for me? When you say "you guys", are you specifically referring to us guys that run the site (VegettoEX, Hujio, SaiyaJedi, and Herms), or everyone on the forum as a whole?

[Ajay]

Really? I think getting genuinely offended by it is pretty absurd.
Oh no, he accused me of being elitist! Woe is me!

Perhaps he meant; 'Those of you who do look down on fans of the English dub; what is it that bothers you so much?'

[TheGmGoken]

Really? I think getting genuinely offended by it is pretty absurd.
Oh no, he accused me of being elitist! Woe is me!

Perhaps he meant; 'Those of you who do look down on fans of the English dub; what is it that bothers you so much?'

Then he should change it to that. It's like accusing of me to being racist. By saying "you" guys and not saying who's the you then he put us all in one catalory. Its like the IWC.

[Ajay]

Such a needlessly drastic reaction. There's a big difference between being generalised as a racist and an elitist dub despiser.

Absolutely zero need to get upset about it.

[TheGmGoken]

Such a needlessly drastic reaction. There's a big difference between being generalised as a racist and an elitist dub despiser.

Absolutely zero need to get upset about it.

You wouldn't understand. After all we're two different and thus we got different points of views and perspectives. For yoy there are 0 reasons but for me they are reasons.

[LordCrumb]

Alright, let's not go on the offensive and start throwing stones at people. LordCrumb asked a legitimate question, albeit not with much clarity. So before I answer, could you clarify a few things for me? When you say "you guys", are you specifically referring to us guys that run the site (VegettoEX, Hujio, SaiyaJedi, and Herms), or everyone on the forum as a whole?

You are right, I should have worded the question better. When I say "You Guys" I am referring to those who only watch it in Japanese. I said "You Guys" because it's well established that the over whelming majority here do.

[Valerius Dover]

Hmmm, this looks like a trouble-inviting thread, but I'll take my chances and post here....I guess.
I really do enjoy English dubs in general, but I don't go around saying that I've seen the definitive or "real" version. I more or less view any dub of anything as a separate show entirely. I like the fact that we're not missing anything visually with the English dub of the DB Franchise (Well, aside from some alternate OP/ED Animations, but that's Toei's fault). Even though I have yet to see the original outside of a few clips, I already have a high respect for it as the original and true series. The Funimation version is an adaptation. And a darn good one, too.

[Gaffer Tape]

You are right, I should have worded the question better. When I say "You Guys" I am referring to those who only watch it in Japanese. I said "You Guys" because it's well established that the over whelming majority here do.

Okay, here's the thing, as far as I see it. When you say "those who only watch it in Japanese," does that mean you assume all people who only watch it in Japanese look down on dub fans? Are you assuming that all people who only watch it in Japanese hate the English dub? And are you assuming that when people who only watch it in Japanese and DO absolutely despise the English dub, they are looking down on you? Especially in regards to the latter, I've seen a tendency of fans of something to equate criticism of what they are a fan of with criticism of themselves. In other words, they take criticism of the dub personally.

For example, if I were to think that the dub is an inconsistent mess of a program with butchered, dumbed-down dialogue, terrible music, mischaracterizations, and oftentimes poor acting (which I do actually think), that's what I think of the show, not you. Even though remarks like "dumbed-down" can make it seem by association that fans of it are also "dumbed-down," it's an important distinction to make.

As far as the True FanTM remark by bkev, that's something I can see go either way. For example, I would never necessarily assume that a fan of the dub has less passion and knowledge of what he loves than I do of what I love. But if I consider them divergent enough to be two separate products, and I believe that that the original version IS the actual, real product (which, technically, it is), then it seems potentially legitimate to say that that person is not a "true fan" of the "real" Dragon Ball. I probably wouldn't say that because it seems unnecessarily confrontational, but I can certainly see the rationale behind it rather than it simply being an insult.

[Herms]

You are right, I should have worded the question better. When I say "You Guys" I am referring to those who only watch it in Japanese. I said "You Guys" because it's well established that the over whelming majority here do.

I wish it were the case that "the overwhelming majority" of users here only watched the show in Japanese, but I honestly don't think that's been true for ages and ages.

Why do I care? Well, for me, the thing that first drew me to the Daizenshuu EX forums way back in the day was that it was a place devoted to the Japanese version of the series, which was what I was a fan of. Funi dub fans have many places online where they can discuss the Funi dub. But (in my experience at least) Daizenshuu EX/Kanzenshuu is really the only place like that for fans of the original Japanese version, at least on the English side of the internet. So that's why I expect people here to at the very least be acquainted with the Japanese version, and might be snooty if they're not. There's nothing wrong with only being a fan of the Funi dub and not being a fan of the Japanese version...but if that's the case, you should probably hang out on forums for fans of the Funi dub, rather than one for fans of the Japanese version.

[JackyBoi99]

If you watch and enjoy dragon ball through the english dub then power to you. I really don't like the english dub, but I won't look down on you for enjoying or preferring it.