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DBZGTKOSDH · Post by **DBZGTKOSDH** » Thu May 29, 2014 6:09 pm

Am I the only one that noticed the design change of the Tsufruians?

RandomGuy96 · Post by **RandomGuy96** » Thu May 29, 2014 6:10 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Am I the only one that noticed the design change of the Tsufruians?

I did, but I didn't think it was worth noting because Salagir changes whatever he wants whenever he wants anyway. At least this wasn't manga-related.

DBZGTKOSDH · Post by **DBZGTKOSDH** » Thu May 29, 2014 6:18 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Am I the only one that noticed the design change of the Tsufruians?
I did, but I didn't think it was worth noting because Salagir changes whatever he wants whenever he wants anyway. At least this wasn't manga-related.

Personally, I don't mind when he is changing things. He has said from start that he will make changes to non-manga material, and that he ignores the guidebooks and anything else labelled DBM non-canon. He does contradict the manga a few times (Cold > Freeza, 1st Form Freeza's battle power... is there anything else?), but it's unintentional from what I know.

RandomGuy96 · Post by **RandomGuy96** » Thu May 29, 2014 6:26 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Am I the only one that noticed the design change of the Tsufruians?
I did, but I didn't think it was worth noting because Salagir changes whatever he wants whenever he wants anyway. At least this wasn't manga-related.
Personally, I don't mind when he is changing things. He has said from start that he will make changes to non-manga material, and that he ignores the guidebooks and anything else labelled DBM non-canon. He does contradict the manga a few times (Cold > Freeza, 1st Form Freeza's battle power... is there anything else?), but it's unintentional from what I know.

"U18 is the manga's universe."

(writes fan fiction about invinci-Broly, says it happened in U18)

Marco Polo · Post by **Marco Polo** » Thu May 29, 2014 8:12 pm

He's just trying to outdo Toriyama in the Game of Retcons.

KentalSSJ6 · Post by **KentalSSJ6** » Thu May 29, 2014 8:15 pm

Marco Polo wrote:He's just trying to outdo Toriyama in the Game of Retcons.

And the only ones who lose are us.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Thu May 29, 2014 9:17 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:
"U18 is the manga's universe."

(writes fan fiction about invinci-Broly, says it happened in U18)

There's nothing wrong with a fan manga adding events to the manga storyline that aren't originally in the manga but that don't actually contradict the manga.

The only thing in this fan manga that actually contradicts the manga is Cold being stronger than Freeza (that stuff about 1st form Freeza's power isn't even in the fan manga, it was just a early and outdated idea of Salagir).

xmysticgohanx · Post by **xmysticgohanx** » Fri May 30, 2014 12:10 am

rereboy wrote:(that stuff about 1st form Freeza's power isn't even in the fan manga, it was just a early and outdated idea of Salagir).

What stuff?

TonyTheTiger · Post by **TonyTheTiger** » Fri May 30, 2014 1:22 am

My only real beef with Broly is that in order to get movie 8 to fit you have to jam it in sideways. Movie 5 is easy enough in that with just a couple of minor edits it fits nicely while everyone is training for the androids and movies 9 and 13 fit pretty much fine. But movie 8's placement is just really silly. It has to happen right before the fight with Cell but it's bizarre that the heroes would just up and leave while Cell is sitting in his arena ready to destroy the world. But to Salagir's credit, he did limit himself to the movies that make at least a little sense. It's not like he tried to make movie 3 work and I get the impression that U18 never dealt with Raichi so it looks like he didn't try to squeeze in Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans either.

I also actually like what he did with Broly's powers. He at least explained what the hell a "Legendary" Super Saiyan was. Toei never bothered. They just tossed the word out, gave Broly slightly different colored hair, and made him enormous. At least DBM puts some context to it all. The changes that bug me in DBM are the needless ones. Cold's power and the fiddling with Bardock's backstory come to mind.

KentalSSJ6 · Post by **KentalSSJ6** » Fri May 30, 2014 1:33 am

TonyTheTiger wrote:My only real beef with Broly is that in order to get movie 8 to fit you have to jam it in sideways. Movie 5 is easy enough in that with just a couple of minor edits it fits nicely while everyone is training for the androids and movies 9 and 13 fit pretty much fine. But movie 8's placement is just really silly. It has to happen right before the fight with Cell but it's bizarre that the heroes would just up and leave while Cell is sitting in his arena ready to destroy the world. But to Salagir's credit, he did limit himself to the movies that make at least a little sense. It's not like he tried to make movie 3 work and I get the impression that U18 never dealt with Raichi so it looks like he didn't try to squeeze in Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans either.

I also actually like what he did with Broly's powers. He at least explained what the hell a "Legendary" Super Saiyan was. Toei never bothered. They just tossed the word out, gave Broly slightly different colored hair, and made him enormous. At least DBM puts some context to it all. The changes that bug me in DBM are the needless ones. Cold's power and the fiddling with Bardock's backstory come to mind.

The problem with Broly is that he's put on par with SSJ2 Veggeto and even survives SSJ3 Veggeto's strongest attack (assumingly) while just a LSSJ. I wouldent have minded if Salagir had Broly go SSJ2 and SSJ3 as Veggeto did (even though Base Veggeto would be able to finger flick Broly) so at least it showed Broly had to transform to keep up with Veggeto but nope. He just gets stronger as every second passes and I quote "without logic."

Salagir even admitted he was a Broly fanboy did he not?

TonyTheTiger · Post by **TonyTheTiger** » Fri May 30, 2014 2:13 am

Well, yeah, but that's what I was saying. Toei kept using "Legendary Super Saiyan" to describe Broly but never bothered to explain how a "legendary" Super Saiyan differs from a regular Super Saiyan. DBM gave him a different set of powers to justify the terminology.

RandomGuy96 · Post by **RandomGuy96** » Fri May 30, 2014 3:26 am

TonyTheTiger wrote:Well, yeah, but that's what I was saying. Toei kept using "Legendary Super Saiyan" to describe Broly but never bothered to explain how a "legendary" Super Saiyan differs from a regular Super Saiyan. DBM gave him a different set of powers to justify the terminology.

I hated his ability set, from getting stronger every second to being literally invulnerable. The original concept was fine; a saiyan mutant born with enormous power and a unique form. He differed from a regular Super Saiyan on part of his power in the form and his physical attributes (9 feet tall, built like the hulk, pupil-less eyes), on part of being mutant. What else was needed?

Salagir even admitted he was a Broly fanboy did he not?

He said that he changed Broly so that he got stronger every second and could eventually match Vegetto "because Broly is cool".

The problem with Broly is that he's put on par with SSJ2 Veggeto and even survives SSJ3 Veggeto's strongest attack (assumingly) while just a LSSJ. I wouldent have minded if Salagir had Broly go SSJ2 and SSJ3 as Veggeto did (even though Base Veggeto would be able to finger flick Broly) so at least it showed Broly had to transform to keep up with Veggeto but nope. He just gets stronger as every second passes and I quote "without logic."

If Broly had to be in the tournament and had to fight Vegetto, I'd prefer base Vegetto to just deliver a one panel knockout. DBM has no shortage of those, and it would be a delicious way to subvert the Broly fanboy stereotype.

There's nothing wrong with a fan manga adding events to the manga storyline that aren't originally in the manga but that don't actually contradict the manga.

Broly's films do contradict the manga. So Salagir just made his own fanfiction about Broly and said it happened in the manga's universe. In other words, he changed the manga, by giving the characters different experiences and giving them knowledge they wouldn't otherwise have, hence why they all know who Broly is, instantly identify him, and immediately go on about how awesome and dangerous he is. I wouldn't even have a problem with it if it was a movie with a sensible place in the timeline, but if he has to actually start writing up his own scenarios just so he can retcon in a character he likes, it starts to reek of fanboy-ism.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Fri May 30, 2014 5:01 am

xmysticgohanx wrote:
rereboy wrote:(that stuff about 1st form Freeza's power isn't even in the fan manga, it was just a early and outdated idea of Salagir).
What stuff?

Salagir had a draft/idea some time ago for Freeza's power level that was inconsistent with the manga. But that's not actually in DBM.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Fri May 30, 2014 5:10 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:Broly's films do contradict the manga. So Salagir just made his own fanfiction about Broly and said it happened in the manga's universe. In other words, he changed the manga

Now you are just bickering. Pretty much all fan mangas add stuff that is not present originally in the manga. In fact, just by making them go to this tournament, he's already adding stuff that isn't in the manga. What matters is that the added stuff doesn't contradict the manga. Does any of that actually contradict the manga? No. You just hate it because its Broly.

Tzigi · Post by **Tzigi** » Fri May 30, 2014 6:41 am

rereboy wrote:
xmysticgohanx wrote:
rereboy wrote:(that stuff about 1st form Freeza's power isn't even in the fan manga, it was just a early and outdated idea of Salagir).
What stuff?
Salagir had a draft/idea some time ago for Freeza's power level that was inconsistent with the manga. But that's not actually in DBM.

And he knew full well that it was based upon a mistranslation - it was just a speculation about how it could be possible to make the powerlevels on Namek seem less absurdly exorbitant.

KentalSSJ6 · Post by **KentalSSJ6** » Fri May 30, 2014 6:45 am

So far the only fan series that has succeeded in making Broly even remotely interesting is Toyble's AF.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Fri May 30, 2014 7:13 am

KentalSSJ6 wrote:So far the only fan series that has succeeded in making Broly even remotely interesting is Toyble's AF.

Meh. Its just as big of a fan wank to Broly as this one. DBM went with the the invincibility feeling that he gave off in the movies, and AF went out of its way just to bring him back specifically just to reform him and make him be something that he never was.

FoolsGil · Post by **FoolsGil** » Fri May 30, 2014 10:20 am

I don't know why I have to remind you all of rule of cool so often. Do you not realize that if Saligir didn't change Broly, we wouldn't have had that awesome battle? Oh and that bait and switch in the beginning of the comic, I wouldn't have even bothered with DBM if Saligir didn't plan that. Saligir has done questionable things for his manga that make the comic seem downright a bother to read, but I don't think he made a mistake with setting up Broly as he did.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri May 30, 2014 11:36 am

FoolsGil wrote:I don't know why I have to remind you all of rule of cool so often. Do you not realize that if Saligir didn't change Broly, we wouldn't have had that awesome battle?

There was nothing awesome about that battle.

Hellspawn28 · Post by **Hellspawn28** » Fri May 30, 2014 11:37 am

U13 Vegeta most likely went SSj2 by training. Vegeta would never stop training even when he becomes emperor of the galaxy.

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