Are you tired of Dragon Ball fighting games?

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Are you tired of Dragon Ball fighting games?

Post by Ness » Mon Jun 16, 2014 11:15 pm

Maybe the majority don't feel the same way, but I've been disappointed for the last 10-15 years that 90% of the many Dragon Ball games out there are fighting games. It's gotten to the point that I feel developers are simply trying to cash in on a quick buck by making fighting game after fighting game after fighting game. Personally I'd like to see more RPG games. Or something that has a great emphasis on the narrative instead of the mindless fighting. I know the story overtime got overdone with fighting more than anything else, but I don't think that means the video game market based off the source material has to have the same fate. Perhaps it has to do with games like Attack of the Saiyans not selling as well. That was just one game though and it was for the DS. Personally I thought it wasn't bad. Or maybe developers feel there isn't much to tell except the same stories (I think that could be easily rectified though as there are instances in the canonical timeline that provide grounds for new stories). It would be interesting if we had a console game in that manner. Unless I missed one.
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Re: Are you tired of Dragon Ball fighting games?

Post by CM101Play » Mon Jun 16, 2014 11:26 pm

You can't have a Dragon Ball game without fighting. If it isn't a fighter, it can still work, but you have to keep it true to DB. Most people don't buy the games because they're looking for a really fun video game to play because it's considered one of the best out there. Most buy them to recreate the DB experience. I think that could be done in an RPG. I think it could be done in a variety of genres, but really where could they take it?

I thought DBZ Sagas was better than it gets credit for. It had a number of flaws, don't get me wrong, but I thought it was a good concept. I'd love to see something like that, but of course more polished and just better overall.

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Re: Are you tired of Dragon Ball fighting games?

Post by Thanos » Mon Jun 16, 2014 11:35 pm

I honestly don't really understand why basically all console Dragon Ball games (excluding Sagas, which was also developed stateside, so it barely counts) have to be dedicated fighting games. Since the series revival and the video game licensing, they've had twelve years to give us something that isn't a fighting game. An RPG, an adventure game, an action game... or a combination therein.

Sadly, Battle of Z seemed to be the closest we've gotten.
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Re: Are you tired of Dragon Ball fighting games?

Post by Rostir » Mon Jun 16, 2014 11:58 pm

Yes, very much so.

Mostly because everything after Tenkaichi 2-3 to me has been decent in one aspect, and mediocre to below average in other aspects. Or in some cases, decent at nothing (Battle of Z).
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Re: Are you tired of Dragon Ball fighting games?

Post by Ness » Tue Jun 17, 2014 2:00 am

CM101Play wrote:You can't have a Dragon Ball game without fighting. If it isn't a fighter, it can still work, but you have to keep it true to DB. Most people don't buy the games because they're looking for a really fun video game to play because it's considered one of the best out there. Most buy them to recreate the DB experience. I think that could be done in an RPG. I think it could be done in a variety of genres, but really where could they take it?

I thought DBZ Sagas was better than it gets credit for. It had a number of flaws, don't get me wrong, but I thought it was a good concept. I'd love to see something like that, but of course more polished and just better overall.
I don't see why you can't have both though. You shouldn't have to cater to just Dragon Ball fans. You should create an experience that everyone can enjoy regardless if they're a huge fan of the franchise or not. I don't believe these constant fighting games have done that at all. It's just the same thing with a new title slapped on it every two or three years. A new experience hasn't been brought to the table for a while.
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Re: Are you tired of Dragon Ball fighting games?

Post by TheAldella » Tue Jun 17, 2014 4:55 am

Nnnnnnnnope. We haven't even had a good one with Online capabilities that goes to the Buu saga.
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Re: Are you tired of Dragon Ball fighting games?

Post by Zenkashuu » Tue Jun 17, 2014 5:08 am

An RPG? You've to much expectations, how much budget do you think DBZ get?

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Re: Are you tired of Dragon Ball fighting games?

Post by TheAldella » Tue Jun 17, 2014 9:42 am

Zenkashuu wrote:An RPG? You've too much expectations, how much budget do you think DBZ gets?
All the handhelds though, bro. And aside from that, they kinda tried it already with Sagas, didn't they?
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Re: Are you tired of Dragon Ball fighting games?

Post by EXBadguy » Tue Jun 17, 2014 9:50 am

So-so. Though, like others said, DB(mostly Z and GT though) is about fighting. I sorta wished that Battle of Z was like Sagas cuz of the concept of it. Maybe if it was like that, it would've sold well and they would never call Dimps back.
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Re: Are you tired of Dragon Ball fighting games?

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Tue Jun 17, 2014 3:40 pm

CM101Play wrote:I thought DBZ Sagas was better than it gets credit for. It had a number of flaws, don't get me wrong, but I thought it was a good concept. I'd love to see something like that, but of course more polished and just better overall.
I'm pretty sure that there was no doubt in mind that Sagas was a good concept. It's the execution that failed, so much that it ruined any chance of developers making an action-adventure DBZ game.
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Re: Are you tired of Dragon Ball fighting games?

Post by Rocketman » Tue Jun 17, 2014 4:12 pm

Every time they stray from it being a fighting game, it sells like crap.

Db Advanced Adventure, Sagas, Attack of the Saiyans... The Legacy of Goku series is the only one to do well, and even then shitty-ass LoG1 sold the most because it came out in 2002 when the franchise was having a renaissance.

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Post by Careless Saiyajin » Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:08 pm

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CM101Play wrote:I thought DBZ Sagas was better than it gets credit for. It had a number of flaws, don't get me wrong, but I thought it was a good concept. I'd love to see something like that, but of course more polished and just better overall.
I'm pretty sure that there was no doubt in mind that Sagas was a good concept. It's the execution that failed, so much that it ruined any chance of developers making an action-adventure DBZ game.
Yes, sagas was a great concept and despite it not coming together full circle achieving a fluid game I was still able to enjoy it for what it was. The potential just wasn't realized but you made a good point that the concept was there.

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Re: Are you tired of Dragon Ball fighting games?

Post by Ness » Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:25 pm

Zenkashuu wrote:An RPG? You've to much expectations, how much budget do you think DBZ get?
You can make a quality game without a high budget. It's more about the actual substance of the game than the actual form of it. We've had games in the past without high budgets become extremely successful.

The Dragon Ball fighting games will probably continue to sell moderately, but unless the franchise changes gears that is the best to be expected. Moderate sales. Hopefully someday Namco Bandai will change it's tune.
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Re: Are you tired of Dragon Ball fighting games?

Post by dualist » Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:45 am

I am seriously tired of the Dragon Ball fighting games. Before Xenoverse was released, I was truly holding out hope that it was something different, but I wasn't holding my breath. What's so frustrating is that DBO had so much promise. I'm not even a huge fan of MMOs, but one based on Dragon Ball Universe was a dream. I played in spite of the game's flaws, not being able to read the quests, and mostly having to play solo because us foreigners were pretty sporadic. And yet I still had a great time with the game and dreamed of a US release. To this day, I cannot understand how they managed to screw that game up. In the right hands, an MMO based on DBZ can make a TON of money.

People are paying subscriptions for DBZ BYOND games for goodness sake! I have a 9 year old stepson who is obsessed with DBZ Kai, and it's amazing how we are both able to enjoy a show together that I watched waaaay back in high school. It's extremely frustrating to see them hash out the same old games. I'm not one of those people that is so hyped up about Dimps making this game because it's just another fighting game. I'm not saying it won't be fun, but let's do something different. DBO had an original story that Akira Toriyama worked on himself, how do you not capitalize off that!

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Re: Are you tired of Dragon Ball fighting games?

Post by dbboxkaifan » Wed Jun 18, 2014 3:36 am

It's not so much that people are tired of fighting games but more so that the developers are making customers feel tired of them due to how they play out as.

If we had Dimps back in 2010-present we'd have awesome fighting games but instead Bandai Namco hired Spike and Artdink do to them as if they're competent to satisfy the needs of the fanbase.
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Re: Are you tired of Dragon Ball fighting games?

Post by Zenkashuu » Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:59 am

Ness wrote:
Zenkashuu wrote:An RPG? You've to much expectations, how much budget do you think DBZ get?
You can make a quality game without a high budget. It's more about the actual substance of the game than the actual form of it. We've had games in the past without high budgets become extremely successful.

The Dragon Ball fighting games will probably continue to sell moderately, but unless the franchise changes gears that is the best to be expected. Moderate sales. Hopefully someday Namco Bandai will change it's tune.
Past is past, development costs are higher nowadays and moreover, Namco is not the same big company. Their beloved bady, Tekken (TT2), hit low sales. Heck,even the rushed SCV matched its sales.

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Re: Are you tired of Dragon Ball fighting games?

Post by Bullza » Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:40 pm

Tekken probably sold over 2 million copies that's not low. They don't give the games the budget because the sales have dropped because there's no reason to buy the games coming out now.

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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Fri Jun 20, 2014 7:11 pm

Zenkashuu wrote:
Ness wrote:
Zenkashuu wrote:An RPG? You've to much expectations, how much budget do you think DBZ get?
You can make a quality game without a high budget. It's more about the actual substance of the game than the actual form of it. We've had games in the past without high budgets become extremely successful.

The Dragon Ball fighting games will probably continue to sell moderately, but unless the franchise changes gears that is the best to be expected. Moderate sales. Hopefully someday Namco Bandai will change it's tune.
Past is past, development costs are higher nowadays and moreover, Namco is not the same big company. Their beloved bady, Tekken (TT2), hit low sales. Heck,even the rushed SCV matched its sales.
TT2 sold over a million in less than a year.
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jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: Are you tired of Dragon Ball fighting games?

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Sat Jun 21, 2014 6:17 pm

Yes and no. I still like fighting games, and I can understand why we get so many of them for Dragon Ball - I mean, one of the main focuses of the franchises is fighting after all - but it would be nice to get more games of other genres. I'm still waiting for something 'different' to get it right, like Sagas tried to be and failed. I would also sell my soul for LEGO DBZ: The Video Game. ...Well, at least a fraction of my soul. ...I'd sell somebody's soul for it.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:41 am

Gyt Kaliba wrote:Yes and no. I still like fighting games, and I can understand why we get so many of them for Dragon Ball - I mean, one of the main focuses of the franchises is fighting after all - but it would be nice to get more games of other genres. I'm still waiting for something 'different' to get it right, like Sagas tried to be and failed. I would also sell my soul for LEGO DBZ: The Video Game. ...Well, at least a fraction of my soul. ...I'd sell somebody's soul for it.
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