Review From The Past: DragonBall Z:The Dead Zone (1997)

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Review From The Past: DragonBall Z:The Dead Zone (1997)

Post by Tanooki Kuribo » Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:37 pm

I was bored today and figured I'd do something called "A review from the past" So, today Iam reviewing the 1997 release of Pioneer\FUNimations "Dragonball Z: The Dead Zone" DVD. This was released almost 10 years ago when DVD's were just first becoming popular. Think about that, how old were you when this was released? I was 15! Damn.

First off look at this cover, I love ALL of Pioneers covers. They used the original movie poster art, which I know FUNimation kinda does now. But back then there was no crappy flash type images. This was a picture, they put some English text on it that was it.
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I know we've all seen this image so many times that its just a blur of cover art. Just look at it, look how cool its drawn. From the smallest detail like the shadows on the nimbus cloud, to the guy in the back who looks nothing like Garlic Jr. This is a really well done piece of art. The thing I like about Garlic Jr. on the cover is that he looks very 80's ish, I don't know why but he does. I hate this new "everything has to be redrawn in flash to look good" idea. You can never get this much deatil from a flash drawing. This looks like its right out of an art book.

And now for the actuall DVD. For such an early DVD release it was nicely done. Surprisingly they have a "Deleted TV Scenes" option.
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When you click it you have the option to watch about 80% of two episodes that were never dubbed split into two parts. I say 80% because they cut the opening, last episode preview, bumpers, a few seconds of the episode and the closing. So 80% sounds about right. There still in Japanese but they have subtitles.

Another cool thing about this DVD is when you click on the "Spoken Languages". You have the option to watch it dubbed in Namekian, what? Are my eyes playing tricks on me, did they really dub it in Namekian?
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No..of course not. But hey thats pretty cool though. Come on FUNimation give us a good Namekian dub! Keep the Japanese music in this time! Joking of course lol :lol:
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There is also a "Other DBZ Video" option. Now, on other Pioneer DBZ movies they actually have 1 - 2 minute clips of each video, here they don't. I suppose cause they were yet to release a lot of DBZ on video. Look how long ago this was. Look, they only released up to episode 10 of DBZ. Episode 10! That was all you had to choose from in the whole DBZ series in 1997, episodes 1 - 10! I know by then they have shown maybe up to the end of the Vegeta saga on TV, but not on home video. Wow.
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The quality is a pretty grainy. At the time of this release it was alright, we didn't know better. Now after seeing higher quality versions this just looks like they dragged the movie reel through a field of spiney things from Mario bros. Some scenes are better then others. Some colors look more digital then others. What it comes down to is its just a grainy copy. Its an old movie. Company's weren't all about digital re masters yet. Especially not with a DragonBall movie dubbed in English. Anime was still just considered "Sci-Fi" back then. All you kids today and your digital anime and your digital re mastered 90's anime. Go read some Manga on the floor of Boarders you ungratefully bastards! The dub itself is actually one of the best for DragonBall Z. Its pretty close to the actuall Japanese translation and the original Japanese music is left in. Those two things combined is why people still have this DVD today.
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Interesting end credits, the Pioneer version first credits the Japanese cast before they credit the English cast. That's pretty damn cool of them. FUNimation sometimes won't even credit the Japanese cast at all.
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Another thing about the end credits is that image of Gohan at the "The End" screen. I don't know why or what happened but theres a Toei animation 1989 stamp on the bottom right of the screen. It wasn't on the 2005 re-release, but it was in the Dragonbox version. So I guess its safe to assume its on the original print being its on the Dragonbox. I dont know why but later on FUNimation added copywrite text to the bottom of the screen for Bird Studios and Toei Animation. It really dosen't matter at all but just something really odd of FUNimation to do.
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In November FUNimation is releasing this movie and movies 2 and 3 with there voice actors. When that happens FUNimation will have dubbed the whole Dragonball series with there voice actors. Like it or not, thats pretty amazing. Well, I hope you kids learned somthing, and I hope you old people remeberd what it was like for us lonely anime fans. It was a time when you would go into a book store, ask for manga and they would think you wanted books on magma. :wink:

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Post by Domon » Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:37 am

Not to start with something blunt, but your title is misleading... I thought I would see a review written back in 1997, rather than something newly written. "Retro Reviews" or something like that might be more suitable.


Aside from that, nice review. You're planning on reviewing the pioneer release of movies 2 and 3?


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Post by Tanooki Kuribo » Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:50 am

Hmm, I guess I see what your saying. I would change the title but then your post woulndt make any sence. Sticky situation my friend. Iam not really planning on reviewing anything else...as of now.

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Re: Review From The Past: DragonBall Z:The Dead Zone (1997)

Post by Slickmasterfunk » Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:52 am

Tanooki Kuribo wrote:This was released almost 10 years ago when DVD's were just first becoming popular. Think about that, how old were you when this was released? I was 15! Damn.
Yeah, I was 10. Actually come to think of it that's how old I was when I first caught DBZ on early Saturday morning syndication. Wow, it's been that long already? I honestly thought by the time I hit 14 I would get sick of DBZ (and anime in general) and move on, but here I am, 19 going on 20 and probably enjoying it more than I ever have.
Tanooki Kuribo wrote:First off look at this cover, I love ALL of Pioneers covers. They used the original movie poster art, which I know FUNimation kinda does now. But back then there was no crappy flash type images.
Actually they did change the image a little. They definitely zoomed in a lot and made "Garlic Jr.'s" eyes glow. Small things but none the less different. You can compare for yourself in the movie guide on the site.
Tanooki Kuribo wrote:In November FUNimation is releasing this movie and movies 2 and 3 with their voice actors. When that happens FUNimation will have dubbed the whole Dragonball series with there voice actors.
Not quite, like I said recently in another thread, they still need to do a re-dub of Dragon Ball movie 1. We'll probably never see it though since it's the not as popular "Dragon Ball" and they don't own the distributing rights to it.

Also if I'm not mistaken back in '97, wasn't this technically the first anime DVD to ever be produced worldwide? Maybe somebody could verify that. If so then then what a great tidbit for Dragon Ball fans and way to go Pioneer, for being...well...pioneers I guess.

Great read, Tanooki. Thanks!

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Post by Bardock the Mexican » Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:55 am

I just want to say that I think the image that is shown last during the "Zenkai POWER" ending is the best of Gohan. I think that the whole expression and even the whole "roughing it" outfit looks cool. I can't possibly imagine him training in such clothes though. They look too much like a collector's item. Little stupid rant yes I know, yet it had to be said by someone. :wink:
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Post by Tanooki Kuribo » Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:03 am

Actually they did change the image a little. They definitely zoomed in a lot and made "Garlic Jr.'s" eyes glow. Small things but none the less different. You can compare for yourself in the movie guide on the site.
I knew about the zooming. But I didn't know there were these changes as well...

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Maybe I was a little to harsh lol. Hey its still one sexy image though.
Also if I'm not mistaken back in '97, wasn't this technically the first anime DVD to ever be produced worldwide? Maybe somebody could verify that. If so then then what a great tidbit for Dragon Ball fans and way to go Pioneer, for being...well...pioneers I guess.
Hmm, I don't think so. Japan just got the movie box set recently and the UK has there dub. Maybe just America and possibly Canada received this release?

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Post by desirecampbell » Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:31 am

I knew about the zooming. But I didn't know there were these changes as well...
Pardon me if I'm wrong but it looks like you meant that Piccolo was moved closer to Goku. In reality, Goku and Gohan have been 'enarged'. You can see they cover more of the background.

Anywho... great review (that rhymed!)

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Post by Slickmasterfunk » Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:31 am

Tanooki Kuribo wrote:Hmm, I don't think so. Japan just got the movie box set recently and the UK has there dub. Maybe just America and possibly Canada received this release?
No, I meant that I think this movie was the first time anime was ever put on the DVD format anywhere in the world.

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Oh, could you imagine if Funimation used these three original arts for each movie in their upcoming boxset? My knees get weak just thinking about it.
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Post by Tanooki Kuribo » Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:35 am

Pardon me if I'm wrong but it looks like you meant that Piccolo was moved closer to Goku
Hmmm...::looks at image::... damnit. Iam gonna go hide under a rock now, any messages please leave on my rock. :cry:
No, I meant that I think this movie was the first time anime was ever put on the DVD format anywhere in the world.
Well as a FUNimation rep would say. "Oh I don't know I'll have to look into that".

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Post by Gokuden553 » Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:19 am

Wow so that movie contained a Deleted TV Scenes" option, I never knew that... so how was the dubbing in those clips? Did it follow the Japanese script like the movie did?

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Post by VegettoEX » Sat Sep 16, 2006 9:06 am

Gokuden553 wrote:Wow so that movie contained a Deleted TV Scenes" option, I never knew that... so how was the dubbing in those clips? Did it follow the Japanese script like the movie did?
The scenes are not dubbed; they are exclusivley in Japanese with optional subtitles.
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Post by Gokuden553 » Sat Sep 16, 2006 9:26 am

VegettoEX wrote:
Gokuden553 wrote:Wow so that movie contained a Deleted TV Scenes" option, I never knew that... so how was the dubbing in those clips? Did it follow the Japanese script like the movie did?
The scenes are not dubbed; they are exclusivley in Japanese with optional subtitles.
I see now, though I wonder why they were never re-dubbed as an exclusive?

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Post by VegettoEX » Sat Sep 16, 2006 9:37 am

Gokuden553 wrote:I see now, though I wonder why they were never re-dubbed as an exclusive?
Err... they kinda were?

They're just parts of the regular episodes, so of course they were dubbed when FUNimation went back and re-dubbed the entirety of their first two "seasons" of DBZ, which became the so-called-and-now-dead "Ultimate Uncut Edition" releases, which also aired on Cartoon Network.

But back then, no.
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Post by tarsonis » Sat Sep 16, 2006 9:50 am

Tanooki Kuribo wrote:
desirecampbell wrote:Pardon me if I'm wrong but it looks like you meant that Piccolo was moved closer to Goku
Hmmm...::looks at image::... damnit. Iam gonna go hide under a rock now, any messages please leave on my rock. :cry:
Well, actually Piccolo was moved closer to Goku slightly. The space between them is smaller than in the original artwork, and Goku's hand overlaps.

In addition to that, it looks like Pioneer actually compressed the image horizontally somewhat, making everything look a little more narrow/taller. (Unless this is something about the image itself.)
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Post by Tanooki Kuribo » Sat Sep 16, 2006 10:18 am

There still in Japanese but they have subtitles.
I said they were subtitled in the review itself :wink: . Eh, even though they were subtitled they weren't that great. The UUC version has Steve Simmons subtitles wich are far better then any of the Pioneer translations.

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Post by desirecampbell » Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:00 pm

tarsonis wrote:Well, actually Piccolo was moved closer to Goku slightly. The space between them is smaller than in the original artwork, and Goku's hand overlaps.

In addition to that, it looks like Pioneer actually compressed the image horizontally somewhat, making everything look a little more narrow/taller. (Unless this is something about the image itself.)
Um, Piccolo is in the exact same position in each image. He looks closer because Goku got bigger.

And the Pioneer cover has the whole imge shifted to the left. Some parts of the left which are seen on the original poster are cut off on the Pioneer cover, but we see s little extra on the right side.

Weird.

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Post by Chuquita » Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:03 pm

It came out in 97'...holy cheese I was only 12 years old when this was released! :shock:

Anyway, awesome review. I knew about the Mr. Robot episode clips on there but I completely forgot about the ability to watch it in namekian. XD

Will you be doing reviews like this for movies 2 and 3 as well?
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Post by BoxerGloves » Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:14 pm

Interesting end credits, the Pioneer version first credits the Japanese cast before they credit the English cast. That's pretty damn cool of them. FUNimation sometimes won't even credit the Japanese cast at all.
Actually, FUNimation never credits the original Japanese voice cast, nor the staff who worked on the show. In fact, of all the 120+ members of the Japanese staff, only 3-4 names end up being mentioned. And that includes Akira Toriyama. When it comes to movies, they leave the Japanese ending credits un-translated, and include an alternative angle where the are names of the English voice cast and staff only. If you don't count the names of those 3-4 Japanese staff memebers, whose names are included at the very end and after the names of the FUNimation's people, by the way.
As far as the TV show goes, the exclusion of the Japanese credits may be explained by the fact that Toei intentionally sends out the mastertapes with creditless OP and ED to FUNimation. After all, Toei needed to "protect" their property, which at the time wasn't even seeing a home video release in its native Japan.
However, as far as I know, the mastertapes of the movies did have their both opening and ending credits intact. So why FUNimation chose to not to translate at least those ones, is beyond me.

Anyways Tanooki, you've also forgotten to mention that the original opening animation sequence was present in the 1997 Pioneer release, and cut from the 2005 FUNimation re-release.

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Post by Super Sonic » Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:36 pm

I don't know about Funimation's other properties, but YYH also has the Japanese credits untranslated. Maybe for the cast they see it as how American cartoons on dvd do when it comes to foreign language tracks.

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Post by Gokuden553 » Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:41 pm

Wow I never expected Funimation to show some deleted clips that they cut out of the T.V series, I'm impressed :)

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