Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by IAmTheMilkMan » Fri Sep 12, 2014 6:17 pm

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gohann wrote:At the risk of offending, you seem to be the only person who either hears the arbitrary up and down or is bothered by it.
No, you didn't offend, and maybe I am, but I don't know how anyone doesn't hear that and go "it's so unnatural," much less think that's great acting. Vollmer is among the worst actresses on the show. This does really seem like Bizarro world.
No, ABED is not alone, I hear it as well. Nothing about Nadolny's performance sounds natural and Vollmer's performance as Bulma is just as bad, which is why this actually does seem like Bizarro world, to borrow the phrase from ABED, because I don't know how anyone could feel differently. It feels like you're ignoring something that is. Good acting is difficult to argue--either they can act or they can't, there isn't much of a gray area and subjectivity all but falls by the wayside. That's why when you say something like Nadolny and Vollmer's performances are good, and that Colleen's acting as Goku is poor, I'm baffled, because that is simply not the case. That's like saying that Pepperidge Farm doesn't sell cookies, or that paper doesn't come from trees.

You can argue all you want whose voice sounds better, that's up to you. But when you argue about a person's acting skills, that's where I become greatly confused. Colleen is a good actress. Regardless of how her voice sounds, there should be no debate about whether or not she can act. She is a far better actress than Nadolny, who is not a very good actress, at least as far as Dragon Ball is concerned.
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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by gohann » Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:15 pm

ABED wrote:Delgadillo's voice is natural for some characters, but not Goku, and yes, her acting is bad. Goku's energetic and wild, she's so soft spoken, and that's not him at all.
Ceyli Delgadillo's voice does sound realistic, though that's partly because it's not well-acted.
IAmTheMilkMan wrote: No, ABED is not alone, I hear it as well. Nothing about Nadolny's performance sounds natural and Vollmer's performance as Bulma is just as bad, which is why this actually does seem like Bizarro world, to borrow the phrase from ABED, because I don't know how anyone could feel differently. It feels like you're ignoring something that is. Good acting is difficult to argue--either they can act or they can't, there isn't much of a gray area and subjectivity all but falls by the wayside. That's why when you say something like Nadolny and Vollmer's performances are good, and that Colleen's acting as Goku is poor, I'm baffled, because that is simply not the case. That's like saying that Pepperidge Farm doesn't sell cookies, or that paper doesn't come from trees.
If I listened closely enough to other characters, I could probably hear it from anyone else on some level. Tiffany Vollmer wasn't a good actress in the original Z dub but she grew into the role in Dragon Ball. Stephanie Nadolny is a great actress as well, I can actually buy her laughter, cries, etc.. Your analogy doesn't really work because Pepperidge Farm selling cookies and paper coming from trees is an undeniable fact, while good acting is objective, but your thoughts can still come into play. It's not quite that black and white.
You can argue all you want whose voice sounds better, that's up to you. But when you argue about a person's acting skills, that's where I become greatly confused. Colleen is a good actress. Regardless of how her voice sounds, there should be no debate about whether or not she can act. She is a far better actress than Nadolny, who is not a very good actress, at least as far as Dragon Ball is concerned.
Oh, she's a great actress, no doubt about that. Goku/Gohan/Android 18 just aren't her best work.

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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by ABED » Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:38 pm

Ceyli Delgadillo's voice does sound realistic, though that's partly because it's not well-acted.
I don't understand, her voice is realistic because it's not well acted?
If I listened closely enough to other characters, I could probably hear it from anyone else on some level. Tiffany Vollmer wasn't a good actress in the original Z dub but she grew into the role in Dragon Ball. Stephanie Nadolny is a great actress as well, I can actually buy her laughter, cries, etc.. Your analogy doesn't really work because Pepperidge Farm selling cookies and paper coming from trees is an undeniable fact, while good acting is objective, but your thoughts can still come into play. It's not quite that black and white.
I gotta agree to an extent. While I do think there's room for opinion in many cases, there plenty of examples where I don't think it's arguable if it's good/bad acting. I enjoy Power Rangers for what it is, but the acting is definitely bad in most cases.
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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by gohann » Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:10 pm

ABED wrote: I don't understand, her voice is realistic because it's not well acted?
I meant more natural-sounding, mainly just the voice itself, though.

Agree on Power Rangers, it didn't hold up quite well.

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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by ABED » Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:14 pm

gohann wrote:
ABED wrote: I don't understand, her voice is realistic because it's not well acted?
I meant more natural-sounding, mainly just the voice itself, though.

Agree on Power Rangers, it didn't hold up quite well.
I'm still not sure what your point is. It's not well acted because it's more natural sounding?

Power Rangers acting wasn't great even when I was a kid. I knew it was cheesy, but it was fun. It wasn't even my point, it was that it was unquestionably bad acting period, regardless of age or year.
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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by Super Sonic » Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:18 pm

True, the original seasons have not aged well. The original pink and yellow rangers are still pretty though.

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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by ABED » Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:22 pm

Super Sonic wrote:True, the original seasons have not aged well. The original pink and yellow rangers are still pretty though.
All the girls are pretty, but we're getting off track. I was pointing out how PR is an example of what I would hope everyone can agree is bad acting. There aren't always grey areas.
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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by jjgp1112 » Sat Sep 13, 2014 9:59 am

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jjgp1112 wrote:This thread is kinda going in circles and has gone away from Kid Goku to "I think Stephanie Nadolny's good." "No she's not" over and over again.
Every thread that has a "Favorite (Insert subject)" ends up like this. Apparently someone has to defend why they favor one thing over something else, or question why someone likes something as opposed to another and are "wrong" or have "bad taste" because of their preference. It's the watered down versions of Youtube arguments.
Please don't compare this to a youtube argument. If it was, we'd be using four letter words and making fun of each other by now. I simply chalk it up to not understanding.
Insistently saying "I don't understand" and "this is bizarro world" comes off as a more sugar coated way of just saying "NO YOU'RE WRONG."
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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by ABED » Sat Sep 13, 2014 10:02 am

Insistently saying "I don't understand" and "this is bizarro world" comes off as a more sugar coated way of just saying "NO YOU'RE WRONG."
Or it's me being polite, instead of being a jerk. Yet another way it's not a Youtube argument. The bulk of the problem with youtube "discussions" isn't what they say, it's how they say it.
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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:56 am

I never liked Nadonly in the role in the DB dub, her voice is just too deep and raspy for DB Goku. Her GT Goku is much better fit for the personality tone. As DB Goku, she just doesnt sound cute to me at all the way Goku is supposed to sound in DB. I think Colleen does Goku a lot better than she does her kai Gohan actually. Her Goku sounds more innocent which seems to be her forte. They are exact opposites for me. Nadonly and Colleen. Though My favourite is Saffron Henderson. She sounds most natural.
ABED wrote:No, you didn't offend, and maybe I am, but I don't know how anyone doesn't hear that and go "it's so unnatural," much less think that's great acting. Vollmer is among the worst actresses on the show. This does really seem like Bizarro world.
Wow, so I'm not the only one that thought Vollmer was terrible as Bulma? Especially so in Dragonball her pitches just always seemed to waver line for line a lot like what killed Peter Kalemis for me. Its bad enough she didn't fit the character, its even worse she sounded too old for the character and its just bad when funny scenes are ruined by horrible dialogue and awful delivery OF that dialogue.
I dont knock her for her effort but she was just totally misscasted and was trying really hard to compensate, but she was just a horrible Bulma.
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ABED wrote:What things did the original do better?
The one thing I dont like about kai is how much throatier Perfect Cell and Trunks especially sound. They sounded a lot more natural in the Z dub. That if above anything.
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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by gohann » Sun Oct 05, 2014 5:28 pm

SingleFringe&Sparks wrote: The one thing I dont like about kai is how much throatier Perfect Cell and Trunks especially sound. They sounded a lot more natural in the Z dub. That if above anything.
Agreed, Perfect Cell still sounds good, but sounded better in the original. And Trunks's rasp, why is it there?

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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by ABED » Sun Oct 05, 2014 10:20 pm

Once again, NO, even Cell is better in Kai. It stands to reason that with more experience, he's better. Dameon Clarke was one of the better actors in DBZ, and he has improved over time. I'm not sure what you mean by throaty. As for Trunks, the rasp got worse, but his acting is better, so it feels like bit of a tradeoff.
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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by gohann » Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:29 am

He's still good, but he's lacking much of the charisma as he did in the original if that makes sense.

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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by Nikkolas » Sat Oct 25, 2014 4:56 pm

I totally get what you mean. He seemed to stress Cell's "I'm so intellectual and sophisticated" accent in Z more than he does in Kai. It makes Cell sound so smug that you just want to reach through the screen and punch him. And that is why we all loved Cell.

Plus Clarke totally sold me on the crazy Super Perfect Cell bit in Z more than he did in Kai. There was just so much....raw emotion in him that you could feel how much he had lost his damned mind. Then again, maybe it was the different script. Things like this. Oh and you gotta love the "BLEH!!!" noise he makes after 16's speech to Gohan.

But that's a long ways off from Kid Goku....

I still prefer Nadolny.

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Post by ABED » Sat Oct 25, 2014 9:35 pm

Nikkolas wrote:I totally get what you mean. He seemed to stress Cell's "I'm so intellectual and sophisticated" accent in Z more than he does in Kai. It makes Cell sound so smug that you just want to reach through the screen and punch him. And that is why we all loved Cell.<br abp="688"><br abp="689">Plus Clarke totally sold me on the crazy Super Perfect Cell bit in Z more than he did in Kai. There was just so much....raw emotion in him that you could feel how much he had lost his damned mind. Then again, maybe it was the different script. Things like this. Oh and you gotta love the "BLEH!!!" noise he makes after 16's speech to Gohan.<br abp="690"><br abp="691">But that's a long ways off from Kid Goku....<br abp="692"><br abp="693">I still prefer Nadolny.
Was the clip from DBZ or Kai? It's not clear if you used it as an example of what you liked or what you disliked.
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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by Nikkolas » Sun Oct 26, 2014 12:00 am

That clip is from Z. I don't think there was any scene quite like it in Kai.... Not that I can recall anyway.

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Post by ABED » Sun Oct 26, 2014 12:27 am

The delivery is okay, but it's a tad stilted in the beginning.
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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by Valerius Dover » Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:36 am

That scene is definitely Z. That's Super Perfect Cell's theme playing in the background. Also, I remember these lines.
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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by Singh is King » Sun Mar 22, 2015 2:08 pm

Stephanie Nadolny, easily, with no contest: I disagree with many of the last few posts- she always had a very smooth, clear tone to her Kid Goku you never saw with her Kid Gohan- it's actually really well acted, too, especially given this was the 2001-2003 esque DB dub era. I thought she was very distinctive and cute-sounding in the role, bringing a lot to Kid Goku, personally: she's definitely my favorite. If anything, I'm in near spot on agreement with Gohann on the issue.

As for the others:

Saffron Henderson's Kid Gohan was probably my second favorite: she had a polite tone to her take on the character, though sometimes her delivery got uneven in a few places.

Colleen Clinkenbeard's Kid Gohan sounds too much like her Luffy as a kid to me- while she's my favorite Kid Gohan, she definitely isn't the best dub Kid Goku: it's not very distinctive, to begin with, but she sounds like she has a sore throat at times as well. Now don't get me wrong, I actually love most of Colleen's Clinkenbeard's work, but this wasn't one of her better roles.

Ceyli Delgadillo's Kid Goku wasn't bad: a bit TOO smooth sounding, polite, and well-mannered in delivery, but it was a nice voice, to listen to if nothing else.

The worst Kid Goku ever is Peter Kelamis, though: yuck.

Not counting Nozawa because that's NOT what was asked.
ABED wrote:It stands to reason that with more experience, he's better.
Two performances would suggest the contrary and are still horrid to this day in the English Dub of Kai (despite most being quite good): Sean Schemmel's King Kai and Chris Sabat's Recoome. Experience doesn't necessarily guarantee a performance will be better, though often it is a good indicator that the actor is well trained and professional, therefore suitable for the work.
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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by jcogginsa » Sun Mar 22, 2015 2:28 pm

based on these clips

http://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/voi ... /Kid-Goku/

I'd have to go with Nadolny as my favorite voice

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