Future Trunks or Son Gokuu?

BrollysKin · Post by **BrollysKin** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:21 pm

superstar is being overly cocky, can't say I am suprised in the least

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:24 pm

Mr.Piccolo wrote:Trust me, its been said many times. I'll try my best to link you to this asap.

I know it's been said many times, but I've never seen an actual source, so...

mr.piccolo wrote:Scan please.

http://kunekune.breeze.jp/up/uploader/src/up3420.jpg

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:32 pm

Oh, heh heh, nevermind. I don't speake the japanese

superstar · Post by **superstar** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:13 pm

Goku hits Freeza six times (three punches, one elbow, one kiai, one headbutt) before Freeza attacks Namek. Meanwhile, he's chatting with Freeza and linviting Freeza to hit him with ki attacks, then laughing at him when those attacks fail. That's not the actions of someone in a blind fury.

Goku wanted to destroy Freeza's pride, not kill him.

Goku was beating Freeza to death and to top it off he was going to finish him off with a Kamehameha. Goku even comments while pounding Freeza that he will "destroy him." Goku was destroying Freeza's pride and had the intent of killing him.

Have to ask someone else, I don't have the Viz manga with me.

That's cool I'll wait.

That just means he's fast. And Goku's faster due to Instant Transmission.

LOL! So Trunks killing Freeza and his entire fleet "instantly" (stated by three characters including Trunks himself) just means he's fast? Yeah, I am quite sure killing freeza and his fleet in the fastest speed possible is just fast.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:33 pm

Goku was beating Freeza to death and to top it off he was going to finish him off with a Kamehameha. Goku even comments while pounding Freeza that he will "destroy him." Goku was destroying Freeza's pride and had the intent of killing him.

So why did he depower and try to fly away with Freeza still alive?

LOL! So Trunks killing Freeza and his entire fleet "instantly" (stated by three characters including Trunks himself) just means he's fast? Yeah, I am quite sure killing freeza and his fleet in the fastest speed possible is just fast.

Um... yeah? Freeza's troops are pathetically weak (in the 1000s) Tien could've killed Freeza's troops that quickly, and SSJ Goku would've killed Freeza and Kold that fast.

superstar · Post by **superstar** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:40 pm

So why did he depower and try to fly away with Freeza still alive?

Uh... I am talking about the fight when Goku first transformed into a Super Saiya-jin. We already know at the end of the fight Freeza's Ki was rapidly decreasing and Goku no longer had any desire to fight him.

Um... yeah? Freeza's troops are pathetically weak (in the 1000s) Tenshinhan could've killed Freeza's troops that quickly, and SSJ Goku would've killed Freeza and Kold that fast.

You are missing the point, Trunks killed everyone in an "instant" Goku's fight on namek was a fast battle in five minutes, that does not compare to Trunks killing Freeza and Kold "instantly" (Fastest time possible).

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:48 pm

superstar wrote:You are missing the point, Trunks killed everyone in an "instant" Goku's fight on namek was a fast battle in five minutes, that does not compare to Trunks killing Freeza and Kold "instantly" (Fastest time possible).

Shut the fuck up about the speed shit! For Christ's sake, maybe - just maybe - they weren't talking literally. Maybe he just did it much quicker than they expected.

FUCK! *Calm down, Des, calm down. Breathe in - breathe out.*

Seriously man. What is your question? "Is Guy_1 stronger than Guy_2? They fought evenly... duh..."

Well, they did 'fight evenly'. But Guy_1 attacked with a sword while Guy_2 parried with his finger. In all likelihood - The guy who matched a sword with his finger is probably stronger.

superstar · Post by **superstar** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:03 am

desirecampbell wrote:Shut the fuck up about the speed shit! For Christ's sake, maybe - just maybe - they weren't talking literally. Maybe he just did it much quicker than they expected.

FUCK! *Calm down, Des, calm down. Breathe in - breathe out.*

Seriously man. What is your question? "Is Guy_1 stronger than Guy_2? They fought evenly... duh..."

Well, they did 'fight evenly'. But Guy_1 attacked with a sword while Guy_2 parried with his finger. In all likelihood - The guy who matched a sword with his finger is probably stronger.

So....do you talk out of your ass or just suffer from diarrhea of the mouth?

I am talking about OVERALL power this has nothing to do with just speed. It is stated by Trunks and various other that he killed them instantly, and Goku has not shown that kind of power and speed on Namek.

Also Trunks was holding back when he attacked Goku (stated by Goku himself). You have no idea who is stronger than who. I am merely stating my opinion.

Why don't you relax (I know I am) and Go actually read over the thread instead of trying to find any excuse just to bash me.

Li'l Lemmy · Post by **Li'l Lemmy** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:45 am

superstar wrote:So....do you talk out of your ass or just suffer from diarrhea of the mouth?

Woah, man. There's no need to get insulting. desirecampbell may have lost his temper back there-- definitely, I think he could have handled himself a little better than he did-- but he absolutely was not attaking you directly. I can see it, and I think everyone else can too. So there's no reason for you to run your mouth the way you're doing now.

superstar wrote:I am talking about OVERALL power this has nothing to do with just speed. It is stated by Trunks and various other that he killed them instantly, and Goku has not shown that kind of power and speed on Namek.

Fine. Let's say for the sake of argument that you're correct.

superstar wrote:Also Trunks was holding back when he attacked Goku (stated by Goku himself). You have no idea who is stronger than who. I am merely stating my opinion.

Also fine. Again, you're entitled to that opinion.

superstar wrote:Why don't you relax (I know I am) and Go actually read over the thread instead of trying to find any excuse just to bash me.

Well, then I'm not sure I understand. If you already know the answer, then why did you strike up this thread in the first place? Looking for opinions and feedback is fine, but don't use your thread as a podium with which to decry and/or insult everyone's opinion but your own, because it isn't community-friendly and just doesn't make any sort of sense.

Superstar, I like you just fine, but I think you need to watch yourself a little more closely if you're looking to fit in around here. And I'm not talking about the whole "DBZ speed" fiascoe. I may not be VegettoEX, but these guys are still my friends, and they've always treated me with respect . . . so if I have anything to say about it, you'll do the same towards them.

Either lay off or lay down. It's your choice.

Have a nice day.

superstar · Post by **superstar** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:04 am

Woah, man. There's no need to get insulting. desirecampbell may have lost his temper back there-- definitely, I think he could have handled himself a little better than he did-- but he absolutely was not attaking you directly. I can see it, and I think everyone else can too. So there's no reason for you to run your mouth the way you're doing now.

Yeah, I just lost my temper as well.

Well, then I'm not sure I understand. If you already know the answer, then why did you strike up this thread in the first place? Looking for opinions and feedback is fine, but don't use your thread as a podium with which to decry and/or insult everyone's opinion but your own, because it isn't community-friendly and just doesn't make any sort of sense.

Trust me, I don't know the answer. I am asking a lot of inteligent people in this forum what they think of the situation (including Desire Campbell). My point is people don't have to get nasty.

Superstar, I like you just fine, but I think you need to watch yourself a little more closely if you're looking to fit in around here. And I'm not talking about the whole "DBZ speed" fiascoe. I may not be VegettoEX, but these guys are still my friends, and they've always treated me with respect . . . so if I have anything to say about it, you'll do the same towards them.

Thanks for the heads up.

Have a nice day

Thanks I will.

Mr. Announcer · Post by **Mr. Announcer** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:35 am

Too lazy to quote you there Superstar but uh, if Trunks' purpose in challenging Gokuh was to test his strength, why would he have any reason to hold back? And I can't verify this but I'm pretty sure after Gokuh initially told Trunks that he hadn't dodged that first strike because he knew Trunks would hold back Trunks then told him that he would not hold back the next time.... Just throwing that out there.

Panda · Post by **Panda** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:55 am

Hmmm... if Trunks was stronger I seriously doubt he would win any fights against Goku. Speed or not, Trunks is a pussy when it boils down to it. He doesn't know what he's doing the majority of the time and doesn't pay much attention. Goku, on the other hand... well, he could tell Trunks was holding back without monitoring any internal barriers (ie- his ki)

Trunks may be stronger than Goku. I don't see why it isn't possible. It certanly wouldn't be the first time a character has briefly passed up our hero. But in the long run does it matter? Probably not.

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As for the other issue. Forum fights are retarded guys. For real, were talking about Dragonball Z here. Chill out.

Superstar, I agree speed has a lot to do with power. It truly does even in real-world terms. The faster you hit the harder you punch and so forth. So in a nutshell I see where your coming from. It's early so I'll have to skim through all of y'all's comments later so I can acuratly form an opinion.

Everyone else, don't form an opinion just because your friends are. Judging by the intended meaning of these posts it looks like some of you are to fond of Mr. Superstar here... well to bad. You're gonna have to grow some balls and live with it. Quit being immature. It's just a cartoon.

Mystic Jack · Post by **Mystic Jack** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:44 am

I take back what I said before about Goku not training, I forgot about some key elements. Alright here's how I see it via experience:

Goku: SSJ for a year (or more, I think) and has been honing his strength from his battle on Namek. Learning more techniques etc (i.e: Instant Transmission)

Trunks: SSJ for 3 or 4 years (was he 13 or 14 when he first made the jump?) trained in Swordsmanship and driven by a desire to help the people. (OK, I just put that in there to show an inspirational motive to get stronger)

The way I see it, with Goku's instant transmission he would beat Trunks in speed and lets not forget that Goku was quite fast as a child in Dragon Ball and I think he pretty much got a lot more faster after training with Kaio-Sama anyway.

Power: Based on the "battle" of Trunks vs Freeza, I agree that Trunks definitely caught him off guard with the burning attack and everything and Trunks rushing at him with the sword. At least in the battle against Goku, Freeza was able to put up a fight, but the battle again Trunks was pretty much:

*Freeza uses mega energy ball to kill Trunks, ball "crushes" Trunks, Freeza think Trunks dead, Trunks fires burning attack, Frieza jumps, Trunks cuts Frieza into tiny white and purple pieces*

Plus you can kinda see even if Goku sensed that Trunks wasn't trying very hard (loose dialogue there) you could see on Trunks' face that he was putting in at least some effort. With Goku it was a completely neutral face, lacking any effort whatsoever, so when it comes down to it.

Goku>Trunks.

That was my extremlely long two cents, I'll be signing autographs, ladies first.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:15 am

desirecampbell wrote:
superstar wrote:You are missing the point, Trunks killed everyone in an "instant" Goku's fight on namek was a fast battle in five minutes, that does not compare to Trunks killing Freeza and Kold "instantly" (Fastest time possible).
Shut the fuck up about the speed shit! For Christ's sake, maybe - just maybe - they weren't talking literally. Maybe he just did it much quicker than they expected.

FUCK! *Calm down, Des, calm down. Breathe in - breathe out.*

Seriously man. What is your question? "Is Guy_1 stronger than Guy_2? They fought evenly... duh..."

Well, they did 'fight evenly'. But Guy_1 attacked with a sword while Guy_2 parried with his finger. In all likelihood - The guy who matched a sword with his finger is probably stronger.

[rant]Hey.. everyone needs to calm down. There is no need to type curse words on a forum, because that is the toughest thing to do.

Why does everyone hate on superstar? Fans have questions. Fans go to other fans for answers. I don't see how bad mouthing someone else falls into the equation. Oh, it must have to do with the whole "Do everything everyone else does on Daizex forum: Hate movie 4, hate the dub, hate superstar, agree with everything Vegetto EX says, etc." [/rant]

Trunks was weaker than Goku. You can count the times Trunks had real fights. Better yet, you can count the times Trunks won fights, zero. Goku is just an all out better fighter, hands down..

panda wrote:Everyone else, don't form an opinion just because your friends are. Judging by the intended meaning of these posts it looks like some of you are to fond of Mr. Superstar here... well to bad. You're gonna have to grow some balls and live with it. Quit being immature. It's just a cartoon.

OMG, thank you. It couldn't have been said better.

Great Saiyaman · Post by **Great Saiyaman** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:51 pm

Rocketman wrote:
superstar wrote:
Rocketman wrote:Bull. Trunks did nothing that SSJ Goku on Namek couldn't have done.
Oh really?

Trunks EASILY handed an upgraded Freeza his ass while holding back. I recall Son Gokuu having trouble with a weaker Freeza on Namek.
Freeza was at 50% or less on Earth. Also, remember Goku wasn't going for the kill on Namek.

Acctually his body looked a bit bulkier than 50%, but whatever...either way Freeza was not at 100%. Trunks is probably stronger than Goku was on Namek, but Goku had nearly 2 extra years of training from Namek, I give Goku the win cause he's Goku, his experience gives him the upperhand....but it's definite that Trunks was not going all out, as stated by Goku. I'm sure Trunks could do damage if he wanted to, but not win.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:01 pm

Mr.Piccolo wrote:Oh, it must have to do with the whole "Do everything everyone else does on Daizex forum: Hate movie 4, hate the dub, hate superstar, agree with everything Vegetto EX says, etc."

Oh no, we've offended another dubbie by expressing our dislike! *eyeroll* Get a god damn grip.

superstar has been warned at least four times, now, that if he brings up his ridiculous "I need hard confirmation from Akira Toriyama that they move faster than the speed of light so I can win a bet against my friend from school" argument, that he'd just be banned. And yet he keeps trying to slip it in via these oh-so-not-sly ways. I think we've all been more than patient with him up until now. He's pissed off tons of other people on this forum, and it's completely warranted that these people CONTINUE to get upset with him. He irritates them on the forum, he irritates them via the chat, and he's irritated at least me via e-mail.

I'm done with it. Flat-out done. He's gone. I'm not going to sit here and moderate "Who's faster?" and "Who's stronger?" arguments started by people who can't take a fucking hint.

Kanzenshuu

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