Need clarification on translations...

Virgil · Post by **Virgil** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 5:16 pm

I'd really be glad if someone could help me out and translate me some text from the original Dragon Ball Manga. Here are the pages I'm looking for.

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2277 ... 004qa3.jpg (Painel 3, Piccolo talking)
http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/5667 ... 008no4.jpg (Painel 1, Freeza talking; Painel 3, Goku talking)
http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/7871 ... 005ty2.jpg (Painel 3, Freeza talking)
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1664 ... 006qy4.jpg (Painel 2, Piccolo talking)
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/5936 ... 007ke4.jpg (Painel 5, Kaio-sama talking)

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1512 ... 003mv8.jpg (Painel 3, Kibito talking)
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1407 ... 002ks6.jpg (Painel 3, Kibito talking)

These are Portuguese Scans. The reason why I need to know their content in Japanese is to determinate whether Goku was using Kaio Ken or not during the whole battle against Freeza (or just past a certain point) and to know whether all the Kaioshin lineage or just a few attempted to pull Z Sword (related to Majin Buu).

If you could provide the scans and the translations or, at the very least, the translations, I'd appreciate. If you are interested in knowing what the Portuguese Scans say, feel free to ask.

Thank you.

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 10:08 pm

Not trying to be bossy or so, but shouldn't you make an effort to know people here on the boards before making such a difficult request?

Saiyan · Post by **Saiyan** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 10:39 pm

He doesn't have to. If he wants help, we'll be happy to help him. Afterall, this is the Dragonball Questions section.

Anywho...I'll get to work on getting Viz's translations for you. Just give me a few minutes.

EDIT: Here:

Piccolo (Panel 3): But there's no point in worrying...Goku's not giving his all either.

Freeza (Panel 1):Heh heh heh...I suppose that's enough warm-up. I'll have to get serious soon.
Goku (Panel 3): Me too...

Freeza (Panel 3): I like your confidence. And I know you still have a great deal of power in reserve that you've tried to hide from me.

Piccolo (Panel 2): There was too great a discrepancy between their respective reserves...

Kaio-sama (Panel 5): Sorry...but he's already using the 10-fold Kaio-ken.

Kibito (Panel 3): You can't be serious!! A mortal, use the sword?! How many lords of lords, how many gods, have tried and failed to wield it?!

Kibito (Panel 3): How can a mortal do what so many gods could not?

There ya go.

The Tori-bot · Post by **The Tori-bot** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 7:29 am

Strange, the links don't work on my computer...

Is it just me?

DaemonCorps · Post by **DaemonCorps** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:00 pm

The Tori-bot wrote:Strange, the links don't work on my computer...

Did you copy and paste the link, because it's not put up as a 'just click it and the link pops up' kinda link.

chibi_goten · Post by **chibi_goten** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:15 pm

Sigh, that's a pain.

Here I'll save some people time and waste a bit of mine.

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2277 ... 004qa3.jpg (Panel 3, Piccolo talking)

Piccolo (Panel 3): But there's no point in worrying...Goku's not giving his all either

http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/5667 ... 008no4.jpg (Panel 1, Freeza talking; Painel 3, Goku talking)

Freeza (Panel 1):Heh heh heh...I suppose that's enough warm-up. I'll have to get serious soon.

http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/7871 ... 005ty2.jpg (Panel 3, Goku talking)

Goku (Panel 3): Me too...

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1664 ... 006qy4.jpg (Panel 2, Piccolo talking)

Piccolo (Panel 2): There was too great a discrepancy between their respective reserves...

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/5936 ... 0007ke4.jp (Panel 5, Kaio-sama talking)

Kaio-sama (Panel 5): Sorry...but he's already using the 10-fold Kaio-ken.

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1512 ... 003mv8.jpg (Panel 3, Kibito talking)

Kibito (Panel 3): You can't be serious!! A mortal, use the sword?! How many lords of lords, how many gods, have tried and failed to wield it?!

[url]ttp://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1407/digitalizar0002ks6.jpg[/url] (Panel 3, Kibito talking)

Kibito (Panel 3): How can a mortal do what so many gods could not?

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:29 pm

They don't work on my pc either. Also, why don't you get the ViZ manga..? (I think that comment will leave for another line of pointless replies.)

Virgil · Post by **Virgil** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:52 pm

Hey

Sorry about the links. I'm so used posting at sites such as GameFAQs.com, where such features don't exist, that I was no longer familiar with them. Thank you chibi_goten.

Normally, I'd get the Viz Manga, but my native language is Portuguese. Hence why I posted those scans. I have the Manga, but I needed someone who has read the Japanese Manga to translate the text for me (VegettoEX?).

I appreciate posting the Viz translations though, they will certainly help. However, they still haven't clarified something, which I believe only the Japanese translation might.

As you might have noticed, the first batch of scans purpose is to determinate whether Goku had or not, been using Kaio Ken 10x from the beginning. Reason being, to justify Daizenshuu's PLs, that were overseen by Akira Toriyama. If it's possible to prove, through numerous statements that Goku did not apply Kaio Ken 10x from the very beginning of the battle, then it's quite possible Daizenshuu's PLs are accurate. Since there seems to be some inconsistency with some PLs (not just Goku's and Freeza's), some people tend to believe they are not correct. If you want, I can post a scan of the Daizenshuu PLs.

The only page where I'd need a Japanese translation is definitely the last scan, where Kaio-Sama says Goku is already using Kaio Ken 10x. The Viz Manga and Dranet's translation just say "that Goku has been using Kaio Ken 10x already". However, my Manga says "sorry, but he has been using it for a while". There is a major difference between both statements.

Now, the second batch of scans are far more important. I really need the Japanese translation on this one. The Viz translation isn't very good, the Dranet translation contains contradictions, and while my Portuguese Manga seems to be correct, I cannot determinate whether it's accurate or not. Just in case you're wondering what is so important, is, to know whether all or just many Kaioshin's attempted to pull the Z Sword. Why ? Doing so would allows us to determinate South Kaioshin's power, and thus the range of Kid Buu's strength.

Sorry if my first post came out a bit strong and thanks for the warm welcome.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 11:42 pm

Virgil wrote:Now, the second batch of scans are far more important. I really need the Japanese translation on this one. The Viz translation isn't very good, the Dranet translation contains contradictions, and while my Portuguese Manga seems to be correct, I cannot determinate whether it's accurate or not. Just in case you're wondering what is so important, is, to know whether all or just many Kaioshin's attempted to pull the Z Sword. Why ? Doing so would allows us to determinate South Kaioshin's power, and thus the range of Kid Buu's strength.

I couldn't think of why you'd want translations for those, but I now am very interested in the outcome

Post by **VegettoEX** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 11:49 pm

Argh, GameFAQs and Chibi Buu strength discussions?!?

I don't think so, kids.

Someone help this dude so I don't have to moderate such a painful discussion ^^;;.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 12:23 am

VegettoEX wrote:Argh, GameFAQs and Chibi Buu strength discussions?!?

I don't think so, kids.

Someone help this dude so I don't have to moderate such a painful discussion ^^;;.

I don't see the harm in it, seeing as it's comming from a very specific peice of information.

Though, the mention of 'GameFAQs' made me weary too. *sweatdrop*

Post by **VegettoEX** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 12:27 am

One of my biggest DBZ-fandom pet peeves is fans getting so hung up on Chibi Buu vs Super Buu vs Insert Other Character Here in terms of "strength". It's a fun series. The meaning of "strength" in DBZ can mean absolutely anything you want it to. It's a pretty pointless conversation, and it just seems like another one of those things that fans can't let go unless Toriyama literally spews something out of his forgetful memory to squash all internet feuds.

I, as well, don't see any harm in it unless it goes painfully out of hand... which is incredibly easy with this discussion...

Majin Buu · Post by **Majin Buu** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 12:41 am

I've been in two of those kinds of arguments myself (the Kid Buu Super Buu strength debacle and wheather or not Vegeta could go SSJ2 before the Majin powerup) and they are no fun at all.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 12:46 am

The discussion would only get out of hand if someone like me got involved...

Anyways, the answer to Goku using the Kaio-ken x10 doesn't require anything but visuals. The Kaio-ken requires a manifestation of aura and translucent pupils. Look for such and find your answer.

Virgil · Post by **Virgil** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 1:02 am

VegettoEX wrote:Argh, GameFAQs and Chibi Buu strength discussions?!?

I don't think so, kids.

Someone help this dude so I don't have to moderate such a painful discussion ^^;;.

What are you talking about ? Just because it's GameFAQs doesn't mean there aren't any inteligent, interesting debates. I came here asking for a translation to help and clarify somethings. I think the nature of the topic is to provide information to everyone and avoid any pointless discussions. I have no other agenda.

Really, VegettoEX, I can understand if you're not interested in translating. But please, refrain from provoking me just because I'm from GameFAQs. If you have something to add, then please, do so. I was looking forward to hear your opinion, to be honest.

VegettoEX wrote:One of my biggest DBZ-fandom pet peeves is fans getting so hung up on Chibi Buu vs Super Buu vs Insert Other Character Here in terms of "strength". It's a fun series. The meaning of "strength" in DBZ can mean absolutely anything you want it to. It's a pretty pointless conversation, and it just seems like another one of those things that fans can't let go unless Toriyama literally spews something out of his forgetful memory to squash all internet feuds.

Actually, the range between Majin Buu's power can be easily measured within the information given in the Manga. It's not even open to discussion with the right statements to back your argument. What I'm trying to find out is South Kaioshin's power. If it's indeed truth that the Kaioshin lineage all failed to budge the Z Sword, then he couldn't haven't been possibly stronger than SSJ Teen Gohan. However, I need a Japanese translation to confirm that, since Viz, Dranet and even the Portuguese Manga contain confusing statements.

Duo wrote:The discussion would only get out of hand if someone like me got involved...

Anyways, the answer to Goku using the Kaio-ken x10 doesn't require anything but visuals. The Kaio-ken requires a manifestation of aura and translucent pupils. Look for such and find your answer.

It's hard to see such a thing in the Manga. It's not uncommon to see the translucent pupils without the Aura and vice-versa. Hence why such statements are necessary to determinate whether Goku had or not been using Kaio Ken 10x from the beginning, (dis)crediting Daizenshuu.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 1:09 am

I'm not "interested in translating" because I *can't* translate. I'm not fluent in the language. By any stretch of the imagination. The reason I'm posting is because this is my message board, and it's my job to moderate it. Keeping things in check BEFORE they NEED to be kept in check is one of the best things to do. Think of it as preventive medicine.

Please understand my feelings when someone shows up and says GameFAQs and "strength" in the same paragraph. Look at it from our perspective. Look at how those conversations turn out. Look at the majority of message boards on that site. Honestly, just take a step back and really look at them.

Also please keep in mind that you're probably going to find lots of confusing, vague, and contradicting information in the original manga, as well. Toriyama ain't Oda, planning things out years and years in advance. He's just a dude that writes poop jokes, and inadvertently found himself with this giant mess on his hands

.

... no pun, intended...

Virgil · Post by **Virgil** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 1:26 am

Oh, I apologize then. When I saw one of your messages, explaining how Vegeta's Galick Gun was actually called Garlic-Ho (which though I thought it was a mistake in the Portuguese Manga, turned out to be the correct translation), I assumed you were fluent in Japanese. Sorry for the confusion.

Anyway, I understand your position. I used the word "strength", because I didn't want to overuse the word "power". Not that is relevant. Just because I'm from GameFAQs doesn't mean I want to disrupt the forums. In fact, I can see dozens of interesting topics around here, something rare to see nowadays. I mean no harm at all.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 1:33 am

VegettoEX wrote: He's just a dude that writes poop jokes, and inadvertently found himself with this giant mess on his hands .
... no pun, intended...

That pun was totally intended.

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 8:02 am

I think trying to discuss "strength" and "power" is an okay discussion as long as it contains valid arguments, and is comparative. The reason I say comparative: it's impossible to say how strong a certain character is. Only if he's stronger than a certain other character, and a lot of the time, that is impossible to determine.

Also, if I see anybody trying to guess Boo's battle power, which I'm pretty sure wouldn't happen here,... well, I dunno what I'd do because it probably won't happen here.

Also, something else to consider. Gohan was able to remove the Z-Sword but no Kaioshin was. However maybe pure strength was not the key in removing this 'Sword in the Stone'. It's possible that a Kaioshin couldn't remove the sword, no matter how strong. Though there's no evidence, so this should be regarded and mere speculation.

As for kid Boo's strength? We all know he's stronger than any SSj2 and is a bit weaker than SSj3 Goku (debatable, but it's pretty much stated that a full power SSj3 Goku could beat kid Boo, though I think his regeneration makes up for any difference in strength). The only other characters we can compare to are "mystic" Gohan (we know he is stronger) and Gotenks (he is in all likelihood stronger at SSj3).

I know some people like to compare the strengths of the different Boo forms, but that becomes a confusing mess. My opinion? Kid Boo is the second weakest one, the weakest being Mr Boo (fat after spewing out evil Boo). Though the dark evil Boo that the fat one released is probably around the same strength as kid Boo. Once again, these comparrisons are my guesses. They contain a lot of assumptions and probablies.

And sorry, EX, if this post is a bit iffy on content. I'm just trying to show that kid Boo's strength can only really be compared to other fighters who he has fought against, or who are obviously stronger or weaker. Once you start comparing Boo's forms, it's just a confusing mess.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 9:12 am

Virgil wrote:Oh, I apologize then. When I saw one of your messages, explaining how Vegeta's Galick Gun was actually called Garlic-Ho (which though I thought it was a mistake in the Portuguese Manga, turned out to be the correct translation), I assumed you were fluent in Japanese. Sorry for the confusion.

Well technically, garlic is garikku in Japanese, while the attack is called the gyarikku hô.

...How wonderfully off topic.